Celtics (7-7) at Nets (2-11) Game #15 11/18/25

[SHAQATTACK]

Lol C's are technically just 1 game back for being tied for the 4th seed 

We have begun to tank ! 

[Vermont Green]

Brown's two man +/- summary:

 79   J. Brown - N. Queta
 38   J. Brown - P. Pritchard
 35   J. Brown - D. White
 19   J. Brown - J. Walsh
 16   J. Brown - B. Scheierman
   3   J. Brown - S. Hauser
   0   J. Brown - H. Gonzalez
-13   J. Brown - C. Boucher
-14   J. Brown - X. Tillman
-26   J. Brown - J. Minott
-30   J. Brown - L. Garza
-35   J. Brown - A. Simons

I am not surprised that Brown with Garza or Tillman are bad, but the surprising one is Brown with Simons.  Brown's worst pairing.  -35 in 175 minutes. The second worst on the team (Pritchard + Garza is -41).  Simons is +36 without Brown on the court (149 minutes).  I don't understand that one.

Brown + Simons -12 in this game.  In just 11 minutes.  Simons was +0 for the game so that means he was +12 for the 15 minutes he was on the floor without Brown. Brown was +14 in the 21 minutes he was on the floor without Simons.

Anyone have a theory on this?  Is it just a sample size thing or something more fundamental to it?

[Vermont Green]

Interesting when you sort the team by NetRtg:

60.0   Amari Williams
20.8   Jordan Walsh
18.2   Neemias Queta
13.8   Baylor Scheierman
8.6   Ron Harper Jr.
7.1   Payton Pritchard
7.1   Hugo Gonzalez
6.0   Derrick White
2.5   Jaylen Brown
2.3   Josh Minott
1.5   Chris Boucher
-0.5   Anfernee Simons
-0.6   Sam Hauser
-7.0   Xavier Tillman
-9.8   Luka Garza

Yes, I understand that it is very small sample size for Amari Williams and some others, but it is still an interesting gradient to me.  Tillman, and Garza are bigs that could really help the team, but they just haven't, quite the opposite.  Simons and Hauser have been a little more neutral but should be better, and may be better over time.  Boucher and Minott are kind of in a "meh" tier.  I guess Brown too, but he is on the floor a lot propping up weak line ups.

Update after the Nets game.

NETRTG   PLAYER
60.0   Amari Williams
18.3   Neemias Queta
16.8   Jordan Walsh
13.6   Baylor Scheierman
  8.6   Ron Harper Jr.
  7.7   Payton Pritchard
  7.4   Derrick White
  7.1   Hugo Gonzalez
  4.6   Josh Minott
  2.6   Sam Hauser
  2.5   Jaylen Brown
  1.5   Chris Boucher
 -0.5   Anfernee Simons
 -5.1   Luka Garza
-10.2   Xavier Tillman


Garza has passed Tillman based on a good game (he was +14 in 20 minutes).  Hope he keeps it up.

[slamtheking]

Brown's two man +/- summary:

 79   J. Brown - N. Queta
 38   J. Brown - P. Pritchard
 35   J. Brown - D. White
 19   J. Brown - J. Walsh
 16   J. Brown - B. Scheierman
   3   J. Brown - S. Hauser
   0   J. Brown - H. Gonzalez
-13   J. Brown - C. Boucher
-14   J. Brown - X. Tillman
-26   J. Brown - J. Minott
-30   J. Brown - L. Garza
-35   J. Brown - A. Simons

I am not surprised that Brown with Garza or Tillman are bad, but the surprising one is Brown with Simons.  Brown's worst pairing.  -35 in 175 minutes. The second worst on the team (Pritchard + Garza is -41).  Simons is +36 without Brown on the court (149 minutes).  I don't understand that one.

Brown + Simons -12 in this game.  In just 11 minutes.  Simons was +0 for the game so that means he was +12 for the 15 minutes he was on the floor without Brown. Brown was +14 in the 21 minutes he was on the floor without Simons.

Anyone have a theory on this?  Is it just a sample size thing or something more fundamental to it?

probably an issue with the 2 prime scorers on the roster not knowing how to complement each other yet.  Personally I'm trying to figure out how Simons is a + at all.

[Vermont Green]

Brown's two man +/- summary:

 79   J. Brown - N. Queta
 38   J. Brown - P. Pritchard
 35   J. Brown - D. White
 19   J. Brown - J. Walsh
 16   J. Brown - B. Scheierman
   3   J. Brown - S. Hauser
   0   J. Brown - H. Gonzalez
-13   J. Brown - C. Boucher
-14   J. Brown - X. Tillman
-26   J. Brown - J. Minott
-30   J. Brown - L. Garza
-35   J. Brown - A. Simons

I am not surprised that Brown with Garza or Tillman are bad, but the surprising one is Brown with Simons.  Brown's worst pairing.  -35 in 175 minutes. The second worst on the team (Pritchard + Garza is -41).  Simons is +36 without Brown on the court (149 minutes).  I don't understand that one.

Brown + Simons -12 in this game.  In just 11 minutes.  Simons was +0 for the game so that means he was +12 for the 15 minutes he was on the floor without Brown. Brown was +14 in the 21 minutes he was on the floor without Simons.

Anyone have a theory on this?  Is it just a sample size thing or something more fundamental to it?

probably an issue with the 2 prime scorers on the roster not knowing how to complement each other yet.  Personally I'm trying to figure out how Simons is a + at all.

In total, Simons is +1 on the season.  That works out to -47 with Brown, +48 without Brown.  Crazy.