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Re: Passing on Kalkbrenner a Mistake
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 02:17:51 PM »

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Honestly, I don?t think missing out on Kalkbrenner is that big of a deal. He is going to get plenty of run in Charlotte because really what else do they have a washed Plumlee, and what should be a 3rd string center in Diabete. I think Kalkbrenner will slowly fade away in a few years or be a decent back up big. We might think more highly of him now because he is a rookie playing a lot.

Filipowski on the other hand I do really like but his defense needs to improve.

Edit just adding I do like Penda as a really solid role player and another player not mentioned Raynaud, who I also like more than Kalkbrenner. I think Raynaud has a chance to be a starting center down the line.

Re: Passing on Kalkbrenner a Mistake
« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 04:25:57 PM »

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I think Brad does not prioritize bigs as a GM nor Mazulla does as a coach.  They like wings and guards and three point shooters.   This is much to my chagrin.

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« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 04:46:55 PM »

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I think Brad does not prioritize bigs as a GM nor Mazulla does as a coach.  They like wings and guards and three point shooters.   This is much to my chagrin.

There is some truth to this, just look at the staring line up last night.  But BOS did take a big with the first of the 4 second round picks they got for trading the pick they could have taken Kalkbrenner with, just a different big.  So hard to say is was big bias on that pick.  They took a wing with the second of those picks but have two more cracks at it with the remaining two second round picks they got.

Now, taking Scheierman over Filipowski, that could have been related to them favoring wing skills over bigs.  I think it is more likely that they simply thought Scheierman was the best available.  Potentially another Hauser.  They liked him and didn't like Filipowski as much.  Not looking like they made the right call on that one at this point.

Overall, I prefer tall ball to small ball too, but I concede the league is changing.  You don't need to be as big as you used to, but you still have to be big enough.  This current team is going to have a problem with that.

Re: Passing on Kalkbrenner a Mistake
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It is obvious by the Celtics draft selections that they have gone with potential over NBA readiness. I find this odd because they obviously want to be back contending as soon as possible. What is even more perplexing is that Mazzulla will not play a deep rotation to help develop the youth, so why draft raw prospects?

I think Proctor is going to be a huge missed opportunity too. He reminds me so much of Derrick White.

Kalkbrenner & Proctor would have been my two selections.

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« Reply #19 on: Yesterday at 06:13:19 PM »

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It is obvious by the Celtics draft selections that they have gone with potential over NBA readiness. I find this odd because they obviously want to be back contending as soon as possible. What is even more perplexing is that Mazzulla will not play a deep rotation to help develop the youth, so why draft raw prospects?

I think Proctor is going to be a huge missed opportunity too. He reminds me so much of Derrick White.

Kalkbrenner & Proctor would have been my two selections.

This year I probably would have taken Fleming and Raynaud.  But, that's as a casual draft follower. 

The season before, Filipowski.

In 2024, I liked Leonard Miller and TJD.  I'm still not sure why we traded #37 for a future Atlanta pick rather than taking TJD.  The BPA was taken by Danny, though, in Sensabaugh.


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It is obvious by the Celtics draft selections that they have gone with potential over NBA readiness. I find this odd because they obviously want to be back contending as soon as possible. What is even more perplexing is that Mazzulla will not play a deep rotation to help develop the youth, so why draft raw prospects?

I think Proctor is going to be a huge missed opportunity too. He reminds me so much of Derrick White.

Kalkbrenner & Proctor would have been my two selections.

I think this is true.  In the seasons before the second apron purge, the teams was 8 or 9 deep so not much opportunity for an NBA ready rookie.  Davison and Walsh were developmental picks, for sure.  Scheierman, at his age, I am not so sure.  He doesn't fit that as much.

This most recent draft, for sure, Hugo Gonzalez and Amari Williams are upside developmental picks.  I am not sure what Shulga is.  I don't disagree with this.  These guys will be more NBA ready by 2026-27, when it will actually matter again.  Davison and Walsh appear that they will not reach any ceiling (at least not with the Celtics).  Walsh still has some time, he is only 21, but has not shown much development so far.  Hugo could turn out to be a steal, he looks great so far at only 19.  And I see potential in Amari Williams, although admittedly, he has a long way to go.

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« Reply #21 on: Today at 09:45:54 AM »

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I think Brad does not prioritize bigs as a GM nor Mazulla does as a coach.  They like wings and guards and three point shooters.   This is much to my chagrin.

Yeah?.me too ?this follows the pattern set by our former GM.   No center , no banner ,just way I see things .  Always have .

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« Reply #22 on: Today at 10:29:04 AM »

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I think Brad does not prioritize bigs as a GM nor Mazulla does as a coach.  They like wings and guards and three point shooters.   This is much to my chagrin.

Yeah?.me too ?this follows the pattern set by our former GM.   No center , no banner ,just way I see things .  Always have .

The thing is, Joe's offense thrives with a stretch five, so I'll never understand passing on Filipowski.  And, Kalkbrenner would have been a solid Kornet replacement.

Danny at least drafted some bigs, although he missed on some.  Deandre Jordan was one of the bigger missed opportunities, but Danny landed Perk, Timelord, etc. 


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We can do this with every team almost every year.  You win some, you lose some.

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« Reply #24 on: Today at 01:55:18 PM »

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We can do this with every team almost every year.  You win some, you lose some.


Brad hasn?t won any, though. He has not been good with drafting.
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Could have had Filipowski instead of Baylor too the year prior...

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Who was it here that kept reminding us that we passed on Bane?

I feel like becoming that person for passing on Kyle!
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« Reply #26 on: Today at 03:32:39 PM »

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Could have had Filipowski instead of Baylor too the year prior...

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Who was it here that kept reminding us that we passed on Bane?

I feel like becoming that person for passing on Kyle!

Looks like Filipowski will be starting this year.

They started Markkanen at SF, Filipowski at PF, Kessler at C in their season opener

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« Reply #27 on: Today at 05:31:44 PM »

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It was me. I was furious we passed on Bane and gave him away because he was a perfect fit next to Tatum and Brown. You had to guard him at the three line, which really opens the lanes.

I?ve also long argued we need a playmaking point to make Tatum and Brown?s life easier on offense and it?s the reason I wouldn?t be so quick to trade away Anfernee Simons. He?s the first guy we?ve had here since Kyrie who could actually break a defense down off the pick and roll, get into the teeth of the D and either finish mid range, at the rim or pass out at a reasonably high level. He can do the same in the open court.

Brown doesn?t have the ball handling or playmaking IQ to be elite at it.

Tatum doesn?t have the foot speed, nor does White, or did Holiday.

Pritchard doesn?t have the blow by foot speed?

How good would Simons and Tatum be in the pick and roll down the stretch. How good would those be if then paired with a good solid pick and roll PF or center?

I also agree with others - I wanted us to take Kalkbrnner or Raynaud (would have had to watch both players more to make the decision on which..) with the 32nd. Why give it away again. Why not take a flyer on extremely productive college centers with solid physical profiles for the NBA game, especially as we?re decimating our center rotation.

Kalkbrenner or Raynaud paired with Queta - you might have a reasonable center rotation in a year or two?


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« Reply #28 on: Today at 05:35:19 PM »

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Lastly, if we?re going young and developing, play the young guys. I would be playing Amari 3-5 minutes every night - that is not going to sway a game for us, one way or the other.

At a minimum, unless Gonzalez is hurt, why on God?s earth does he get zero minutes in game one. He certainly earned the right with his preseason performances and effort to get minutes now.