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Re: NBA Season/Playoffs 2025-26
« Reply #2940 on: Today at 01:44:13 AM »

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Celtics aren't even remotely close to the spurs or thunder

Just watched a few minutes but looked at the play-by-play post-game and had the exact same thought.

The Celtic championship teams up until 2024 always had either the best player in the league or close to it, Russell, Cowens, Bird and Garnett.
We just haven't had that player since Garnett and have had very bad luck in the draft lotteries we were involved in.
Seems only a couple of years ago that we were the young, upcoming dominant team built around two all-star wings with very good veteran teammates, but not an MVP level player.

When do the salary cap nightmares that destroyed our roster start to kick in for OKC and San Antonio ?

For OKC, next season. They will be $91m over the salary cap, $41m over the first apron, $29m over the 2nd apron and $41m over the tax line (which means a probable tax bill of over $200m). If they don't reduce their payroll they will incur all the first and second apron penalties. And that's with Shai on $40m.

The year after, Shai's supermax kicks in and they will have $172m in committed salary to 5 players - JWill, Chet, Shai, Caruso and Aaron Wiggins. Then they have club options for $41m more for 6 players (the ones in red in 2027-28 below). That brings them to $220m for 11 players, which is $47m over the cap, $1m over the first apron and only $12m below the 2nd, with 3 more players to sign to get to 14.

So the bill is going to come due for OKC next season, unless they take significant steps to reduce their payroll (they won't/can't), they will be operating as a second apron team, so they will have a lot of restrictions on who they can trade for/to, sign, and their draft pick will be frozen. But the point of exceeding the second apron is to do so when you have a contender, then you stick with that team as long as possible because (like us and Phoenix a couple of seasons ago) you can't really change the team at all other than adding vet min guys. What they have to do is make sure, like us, they sell high when the team is no longer contending. Because then you end up being like Philly, where you can't get rid of overpriced players, or like Phoenix, where you have to buy out contracts and leave them on your books for years because you made a bad financial decision (Beal) or you sell low (KD).

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As for the Spurs, they're in a much better position because most of their players are on rookie deals. Next season, if you take out the cap holds (cap holds are players whose contracts have ended but haven't signed wtih another team, they are counted against the cap for purposes of calculating how much money a team has to sign outside free agents) their committed salary is $152m vs the $165m cap. So even though they are below the cap, because of the cap holds they can't sign an outside free agent unless they renounce some cap holds or those players sign elsewhere.

But they figure to be $52m below the 1st apron, $65m below the 2nd and $48m below the tax line - but that's with 10 players on their roster. So what this means is they have flexibility to re-sign their existing players, they could technically spend $50k on any of their own free agents if they wanted to (they probably won't, because none of them would be worth that, but they will probably try and create some tradeable contracts since they have financial flexibility).

The reason they're in a decent position is Fox is their only max contract so far, at $50m. Then they have Vassell at $27m, Johnson at $17m and Wemby at $16m. They don't really have to pay anyone till next season which is Johnson, and they will  probably give Wemby a rookie max. Castle, Harper and Bryant are cost-controlled till 2028-29 and 2029-30. Champagnie their starter is costing them $3m. Luke is costing them $10m. So their balance sheet has a lot more flexibility.

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Any odd typos are because I suck at typing on an iPhone :D


Re: NBA Season/Playoffs 2025-26
« Reply #2941 on: Today at 09:11:57 AM »

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Well, I guess we should be thankful the Celtics won that 2024 championship. I dont see how anyone is going to stop Wemby. Already looks to be the best two way player in the NBA and he is 22 years old.

You are going to need to be a high volume high accuracy 3 point shooting team.

Wemby dominates the paint defensively too much. It is hard to see teams who rely on interior scoring managing to score enough against the Spurs to win. They will have to avoid Wemby. To avoid Wemby you have to score from outside.

Re: NBA Season/Playoffs 2025-26
« Reply #2942 on: Today at 09:17:23 AM »

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WEMBY (41 PTS, 24 REB)'S WCF DEBUT MASTERCLASS!

▪️ Joins Wilt Chamberlain as the only players to record 40+ PTS and 20+ REB in their Conference Finals debut

▪️ Joins David Robinson as the only players in Spurs franchise history to record 40+ PTS and 20+ REB in a postseason game

I was wondering when that D-Rob 40/20 was. I did not remember it. It was in 1995-96 in the first round against Barkley's Phoenix Suns. The last year of Barkley on the Suns when they fell off. I remember D-Rob dominating that series but not that individual game. It was also D-Rob's last healthy season before his back injury. Possibly his best season - even better than his MVP year the year before.

Interestingly enough it was the only 40+pt game of D-Rob's playoff career. He had a 36pts and a 37pts game as well. His only other games above 35pts in the playoffs. All against PHX. His 37pts game in 2000 when Duncan was injured. His 36pts game in 1993 when Barkley's Suns went to the Finals. He did have a bunch of 30-35pts games.

D-Rob had 3 20+reb games in the playoffs. That one against PHX. One against LAL in 1995. And one in 1998 also against PHX in a closeout game.

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Dylan Harper in Game 1:
24 PTS | 11 REB | 6 AST | 7 STL

He is the second rookie with 20+ PTS, 10+ REB, 5+ AST and 5+ STL in a playoff game since steals were first recorded in 1973-74, joining Magic Johnson (1980).

The 7 steals last night were crazy.

Re: NBA Season/Playoffs 2025-26
« Reply #2943 on: Today at 09:29:20 AM »

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I found it interesting that OKC was having Caruso as the primary defender on Wemby.  At least in the first half, didn't stay up for the second half.  Wonder if they revisit that strategy.

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« Reply #2944 on: Today at 09:44:07 AM »

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I found it interesting that OKC was having Caruso as the primary defender on Wemby.  At least in the first half, didn't stay up for the second half.  Wonder if they revisit that strategy.

Still amazes me that the Lakers lowballed him and let him walk.

Then again, screw the Lakers.


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Re: NBA Season/Playoffs 2025-26
« Reply #2945 on: Today at 10:24:40 AM »

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Marc J. Spears: There is optimism that Spurs guard De?Aaron Fox, who missed Game 1 with an ankle injury, will play in Game 2, sources said.

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« Reply #2946 on: Today at 10:29:53 AM »

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Feel like Wemby is more mature at 22 than JB is at nearly 30 years old.


Jared Weiss: Asked Victor Wembanyama if he feels he is the best basketball player in the world now: Do I feel like it right now? I feel tired. But it?s not a question I?m wondering right now. We?ll see. The world is 8 billion people, so it?s 8 billion opinions.
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NBA: Victor Wembanyama (41 PTS, 24 REB)'s WCF debut masterclass! Joins Wilt Chamberlain as the only players to record 40+ PTS and 20+ REB in their Conference Finals debut.
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

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« Reply #2947 on: Today at 11:21:24 AM »

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Feel like Wemby is more mature at 22 than JB is at nearly 30 years old.


Jared Weiss: Asked Victor Wembanyama if he feels he is the best basketball player in the world now: Do I feel like it right now? I feel tired. But it?s not a question I?m wondering right now. We?ll see. The world is 8 billion people, so it?s 8 billion opinions.
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NBA: Victor Wembanyama (41 PTS, 24 REB)'s WCF debut masterclass! Joins Wilt Chamberlain as the only players to record 40+ PTS and 20+ REB in their Conference Finals debut.


Wemby sounds more mature at 22 than I sound at 45.