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Re: NBA Season 2025-26
« Reply #1845 on: Yesterday at 10:41:16 AM »

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60 wins for the Detroit Pistons

The Bad Boy Pistons with Zeke only won 60+ games once. They had 63 wins in 1989 and 59 wins in 1990. Their two best records.

The Wallace Bros & Chauncey and Rip had a 64 win season in 2006. The best record in franchise history. Also had a 59 win season in 2008.

Those 4 years are the only seasons in Detroit Pistons franchise history (78 years) that they have won more than 55 games. Only 4 times in team history. Only twice in franchise history have they won more than 60 games.

This team just achieved the 3rd best record in franchise history. Heck of an achievement.

The 2 Zeke teams won the title. The 2 Chauncey teams lost in the ECF (after winning a title in 2004 and finishing runner up in 2005). This team needs a title to be put alongside them ... but still, what an achievement by this Detroit Pistons group.
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Re: NBA Season 2025-26
« Reply #1846 on: Yesterday at 01:00:13 PM »

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Luka scored the most total points and had the second most total points/rebounds/assists combined (Jokic).  He played the 37th most minutes.

Luka had more minutes, more points, more rebounds, more assists, and more steals than SGA, yet SGA is going to win MVP and be on the 1st team, while Luka is ineligible. 

What a stupid rule. 
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Re: NBA Season 2025-26
« Reply #1847 on: Yesterday at 01:11:37 PM »

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Luka scored the most total points and had the second most total points/rebounds/assists combined (Jokic).  He played the 37th most minutes.

Luka had more minutes, more points, more rebounds, more assists, and more steals than SGA, yet SGA is going to win MVP and be on the 1st team, while Luka is ineligible. 

What a stupid rule.

Interesting.  I have always questioned why the NBA is focused on per game stats vs. total stats.  In baseball, it is a mix, some stats are just naturally going to be averages (such as FG%) but in baseball, it is who hit the most HR or had the most RBI.  Why not look at who had the most points and rebounds in the NBA?  Or consider both.  To me, the scoring title at least should be based on most points, not highest average points.

In this case though, I am fine with SGA winning MVP.  You could argue for Luka or Jokic or Wemby or even Cade.  There are arguments for any of them.  But I don't like the rule either.  Just let voters decide considering all factors, including games played and minutes

Re: NBA Season 2025-26
« Reply #1848 on: Yesterday at 01:27:12 PM »

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Luka scored the most total points and had the second most total points/rebounds/assists combined (Jokic).  He played the 37th most minutes.

Luka had more minutes, more points, more rebounds, more assists, and more steals than SGA, yet SGA is going to win MVP and be on the 1st team, while Luka is ineligible. 

What a stupid rule.

Interesting.  I have always questioned why the NBA is focused on per game stats vs. total stats.  In baseball, it is a mix, some stats are just naturally going to be averages (such as FG%) but in baseball, it is who hit the most HR or had the most RBI.  Why not look at who had the most points and rebounds in the NBA?  Or consider both.  To me, the scoring title at least should be based on most points, not highest average points.

In this case though, I am fine with SGA winning MVP.  You could argue for Luka or Jokic or Wemby or even Cade.  There are arguments for any of them.  But I don't like the rule either.  Just let voters decide considering all factors, including games played and minutes

I always think of Kevin Garnett leading the league in most points scored in 2004. He was #1 with 1987 points and Peja was #2 with 1964. They both averaged 24.2ppg but Peja only played 81 games while KG played the full 82 games.

T-Mac got the scoring title with 28.0ppg but he played only 67 games so finished more than a hundred points behind KG with 1878.

Interestingly, Paul Pierce was 4th with 1836 points and 5th in points per game at 22.9ppg.

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Another one I think of is Wilt Chamberlain leading the league in assists. In 1968. He led the league with 702 assists. Lenny Wilkens was 2nd with 679 assists and Oscar Robertson was 3rd with 633 assists.

Oscar was #1 in assists per game though with 9.7 to Wilt's 8.6 assists per game [Lenny 8.3apg]. However, Oscar played only 65 games that season so Wilt beat him on total assists.

Re: NBA Season 2025-26
« Reply #1849 on: Yesterday at 04:38:05 PM »

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3 - 60 win teams - OKC, SAS, DET

4 - 50 win teams in the East - DET, BOS, NY, CLE
5 - 50 win teams in the West - OKC, SAS, DEN, HOU, LAL + one 49 win team (MIN). 6 teams with near 50+ wins.

10 teams in the East with above .500 records
7 teams in the West with above .500 records + 2 teams with 42 wins / 40 losses. Slightly above .500 but 42 wins is more of a .500 team to me.

11 teams with sub .500 records. 5 in the East. 6 in the West.

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2 teams with under 20 wins. WAS 17 wins. IND 19 wins.
3 teams with 20-22 wins - BKN, UTA, SAC.
3 teams with 25-27 wins - MEM, DAL, NOP

2 teams low 30s wins - CHI 31 wins. MIL 32 wins.
1 team high 30s wins - GSW with 37 wins.

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« Reply #1850 on: Yesterday at 05:01:38 PM »

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3 - 60 win teams - OKC, SAS, DET

4 - 50 win teams in the East - DET, BOS, NY, CLE
5 - 50 win teams in the West - OKC, SAS, DEN, HOU, LAL + one 49 win team (MIN). 6 teams with near 50+ wins.

10 teams in the East with above .500 records
7 teams in the West with above .500 records + 2 teams with 42 wins / 40 losses. Slightly above .500 but 42 wins is more of a .500 team to me.

11 teams with sub .500 records. 5 in the East. 6 in the West.

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2 teams with under 20 wins. WAS 17 wins. IND 19 wins.
3 teams with 20-22 wins - BKN, UTA, SAC.
3 teams with 25-27 wins - MEM, DAL, NOP

2 teams low 30s wins - CHI 31 wins. MIL 32 wins.
1 team high 30s wins - GSW with 37 wins.

Yeah, I was looking at this and I look at it a little differently, but leading, I think, to the same conclusion.  In the East, there are 10 teams with 43 wins or more, the teams that actually tried.  MIA is 10th with the 43 wins.  The the 11th best team (MIL) only has 32 wins.  11 wins separates the teams that tried from the teams that tanked.

In the west it is similar but GSW are kind of an exception.  They tried, but were legitimately decimated by injuries.  Excluding GSW (37 wins), there were 9 teams with 42 wins or more and then it drops to NOP with only 26 wins.  So 16 wins separating the teams that tried from the teams that didn't.

I don't know how to fix this.  I don't think changing the lottery will change anything.  The three best teams currently (by wins), all got there by tanking and drafting (OKC, SAS, and DET).  The only team that has a case that they are not tanking is NOP.  NOP inexplicably traded their pick away so there is no benefit to them to tank.  Yet they still only managed 26 wins.

Re: NBA Season 2025-26
« Reply #1851 on: Yesterday at 08:53:22 PM »

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In the expansion thread I proposed a schedule that I think would help some with the last couple of weeks of the season.  This would work when Seattle and Las Vegas join the league taking the NBA to 32 teams.

So you have 2 conferences, no divisions.

So each conference plays 2 games against each of the other conference - so 32 games

Every team plays the other 15 teams in their conference 3 games - 45 games

So every team in the conference plays the same schedule.  Nobody gets to prey on weaker teams.  This also sets up well for what I'd do with the 5 additional games.  My proposal was to essentially flex the last 5 games into something like this.

You lock all teams into the following 5 tiers.  Teams cannot change tiers. 

1-6 in each conference are together in 2 conference specific tiers.  You play each of the other 5 teams in your tier. the 5 games are added to your record for seeding. As indicated above, no team can fall out of this tier, but they can move up or down.

7-12 in each conference are together in 2 conference specific tiers.  You play each of the other 5 teams in your tier.  Here I might tinker with the seeding some to ensure that all 6 teams in each tier can make at least the play in (like if the 12 seed goes 5-0, they should get a shot at the play in even if their record wouldn't dictate they should).

13-16 from each conference are in an 8-team tier.  You would play 5 random teams from the tier.  I'd make it so all 8 teams in the tier have the same lottery odds and thus the organization has no incentive to lose more games.  Perhaps you give the players on the top 2 teams from this some sort of bonus compensation to further incentivize them to try.

I think doing that would add some excitement to the last couple weeks of the season and would essentially have teams playing each other that are roughly the same skill level and goals for the season.
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Re: NBA Season 2025-26
« Reply #1852 on: Yesterday at 11:03:12 PM »

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Davis reiterated Monday that he wants to have in-depth conversations with Monumental Basketball president Michael Winger and Wizards general manager Will Dawkins over the next few months to learn whether team officials have a concrete plan to compete for a championship either next season or during the 2027-28 season.
New York Times
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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Re: NBA Season 2025-26
« Reply #1853 on: Yesterday at 11:06:56 PM »

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Davis reiterated Monday that he wants to have in-depth conversations with Monumental Basketball president Michael Winger and Wizards general manager Will Dawkins over the next few months to learn whether team officials have a concrete plan to compete for a championship either next season or during the 2027-28 season.
New York Times


I mean, if they say no is he gonna demand a trade? He's literally in Washington because no one realistically wanted him and his contract due to his injury history  :laugh:

Unless they find a disgruntled star on another team that could be dealt (similar to the Trae Young situation) but again, guys like Ja Morant and Zion come to mind. Those teams contending? Nope.
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