Anfernee Simons

[lbgreen33]

Not much to talk about right now, so let's talk about AS. To be totally honest, I could take on the argument either way as far as Keeping AS long term.
I will start with this, I personally believe we should start him this season and see how he plays under our system. I mean, if we trade him right now we will never know.
Let's look at the upside, he can score the ball!! AS is regarded as one of the league's top shooters, especially from three. He can shoot effectively both off the dribble and catch-and-shoot situations. He has a quick release and can definitely create his own shot!!
Next, He is a good athlete, which says to me he should be able to defend. I think this will be a big coaching point of interest if the Cs keep him. 
So, I am going on Record and saying, Keep AS for this season and see if he can create a role for himself long term. The Js often struggle getting a basket when the team really needs one, I think AS can really help that problem. Even if he improves a little on defense I think we will be very happy we have him.
Hopefully this Post doesn't age horribly!!

[Vermont Green]

He is certainly a key puzzle piece to resolve. 

Plan A:  Trade him for value this off season
Plan B:  Play him and look to trade him at the deadline
Plan C:  Play him and keep him beyond this season.

I don't mind if they trade him this off season but only if they get some actual return for him.  If that type of deal is not available, I would rather keep him and play him over just dumping him for a TPE.  You can do the latter anytime up to the trade deadline.

I think the situation is going to be good for him to put up numbers and build some value.  I would be disappointed if they just dump him for nothing before we get to see how he looks in a Celtics uniform.

Least likely, but not entirely out of the question, is that he plays well and finds a way to fit in with the Celtics.  The Celtics would still have the best chance to sign him or extend him if they want to.  We will have to find some front court Big depth in any case.

[Ilikesports17]

He is certainly a key puzzle piece to resolve. 

Plan A:  Trade him for value this off season
Plan B:  Play him and look to trade him at the deadline
Plan C:  Play him and keep him beyond this season.

I don't mind if they trade him this off season but only if they get some actual return for him.  If that type of deal is not available, I would rather keep him and play him over just dumping him for a TPE.  You can do the latter anytime up to the trade deadline.

I think the situation is going to be good for him to put up numbers and build some value.  I would be disappointed if they just dump him for nothing before we get to see how he looks in a Celtics uniform.

Least likely, but not entirely out of the question, is that he plays well and finds a way to fit in with the Celtics.  The Celtics would still have the best chance to sign him or extend him if they want to.  We will have to find some front court Big depth in any case.

I loved the rumors of Simons -> Memphis for KCP + picks. That would be the ideal realistic package for him either now or at the deadline.

Id suspect it would be 2nds rather than firsts, but still. KCPs contract is 2 years which on its face is a negative but I think Id like to have a slightly beefy expiring available next summer when well really be trying to win again. You can wrap that expiring 22 mil contract with some decent picks and get back a really good player.

However, I dont agree that you can always just dump him for a TPE. I dont think that deal exists.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

He is certainly a key puzzle piece to resolve. 

Plan A:  Trade him for value this off season
Plan B:  Play him and look to trade him at the deadline
Plan C:  Play him and keep him beyond this season.

I don't mind if they trade him this off season but only if they get some actual return for him.  If that type of deal is not available, I would rather keep him and play him over just dumping him for a TPE.  You can do the latter anytime up to the trade deadline.

I think the situation is going to be good for him to put up numbers and build some value.  I would be disappointed if they just dump him for nothing before we get to see how he looks in a Celtics uniform.

Least likely, but not entirely out of the question, is that he plays well and finds a way to fit in with the Celtics.  The Celtics would still have the best chance to sign him or extend him if they want to.  We will have to find some front court Big depth in any case.

I loved the rumors of Simons -> Memphis for KCP + picks. That would be the ideal realistic package for him either now or at the deadline.

Id suspect it would be 2nds rather than firsts, but still. KCPs contract is 2 years which on its face is a negative but I think Id like to have a slightly beefy expiring available next summer when well really be trying to win again. You can wrap that expiring 22 mil contract with some decent picks and get back a really good player.

However, I dont agree that you can always just dump him for a TPE. I dont think that deal exists.

I agree on the KCP deal. Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

For Memphis, they essentially flip Bane into Simons and a couple firsts. Simons fits their new spread offense really well. He can play next to Morant or be the primary guard when Morant inevitably gets injured this season.

Getting a guy that can kinda' fill Jrue' role in KCP while getting out of the 1st apron and a few firsts would be a win for the Cs. The other option is something around Edey and contracts. I don't think Edey fits this new offensive system the Grizz are committed to.

I wonder if the holdup is the salary aggregation rule for both KCP and Simons. I think that expires 8/15, which is why I've had next Friday circled on my calendar. Something like KCP Konchar, and Edey for Simons and Hauser may make sense for both teams. Hauser fills the role left by Kennard as the shooting specialist. Gets the Cs out of the 1st apron too.

[Goldstar88]

I don?t think Simons plays a single regular season game for the Celtics.

[Celtics2021]

He is certainly a key puzzle piece to resolve. 

Plan A:  Trade him for value this off season
Plan B:  Play him and look to trade him at the deadline
Plan C:  Play him and keep him beyond this season.

I don't mind if they trade him this off season but only if they get some actual return for him.  If that type of deal is not available, I would rather keep him and play him over just dumping him for a TPE.  You can do the latter anytime up to the trade deadline.

I think the situation is going to be good for him to put up numbers and build some value.  I would be disappointed if they just dump him for nothing before we get to see how he looks in a Celtics uniform.

Least likely, but not entirely out of the question, is that he plays well and finds a way to fit in with the Celtics.  The Celtics would still have the best chance to sign him or extend him if they want to.  We will have to find some front court Big depth in any case.

I loved the rumors of Simons -> Memphis for KCP + picks. That would be the ideal realistic package for him either now or at the deadline.

Id suspect it would be 2nds rather than firsts, but still. KCPs contract is 2 years which on its face is a negative but I think Id like to have a slightly beefy expiring available next summer when well really be trying to win again. You can wrap that expiring 22 mil contract with some decent picks and get back a really good player.

However, I dont agree that you can always just dump him for a TPE. I dont think that deal exists.

Technically acquiring a TPE for Simons is possible in a trade.  It would require a third team taking on a smallish amount of salary, but it can be done.

For example, if the Celtics traded Simons to Washington, and the Wizards traded Kispert to the Celtics and Brahnam and Champagnie (with only a couple hundred thousand guaranteed, so a bit over $5 million in salary total) to a third team, the Celtics would drop far enough in salary to have access to the full mid-level exception.  They could then use the mid-level to absorb Kispert and get a full TPE for Simons and stay completely under the tax. I?m not saying the Wizards would do that, but the deal would look something like that, with the player the Celtics get back likely have 2-3 years left on his deal, as clearing the books for next year would be a possible motivation for the team acquiring Simons.  And honestly, I never know what is going on with the Wizards, so maybe they would do it.

[Celtics2021]

He is certainly a key puzzle piece to resolve. 

Plan A:  Trade him for value this off season
Plan B:  Play him and look to trade him at the deadline
Plan C:  Play him and keep him beyond this season.

I don't mind if they trade him this off season but only if they get some actual return for him.  If that type of deal is not available, I would rather keep him and play him over just dumping him for a TPE.  You can do the latter anytime up to the trade deadline.

I think the situation is going to be good for him to put up numbers and build some value.  I would be disappointed if they just dump him for nothing before we get to see how he looks in a Celtics uniform.

Least likely, but not entirely out of the question, is that he plays well and finds a way to fit in with the Celtics.  The Celtics would still have the best chance to sign him or extend him if they want to.  We will have to find some front court Big depth in any case.

I loved the rumors of Simons -> Memphis for KCP + picks. That would be the ideal realistic package for him either now or at the deadline.

Id suspect it would be 2nds rather than firsts, but still. KCPs contract is 2 years which on its face is a negative but I think Id like to have a slightly beefy expiring available next summer when well really be trying to win again. You can wrap that expiring 22 mil contract with some decent picks and get back a really good player.

However, I dont agree that you can always just dump him for a TPE. I dont think that deal exists.

I agree on the KCP deal. Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

For Memphis, they essentially flip Bane into Simons and a couple firsts. Simons fits their new spread offense really well. He can play next to Morant or be the primary guard when Morant inevitably gets injured this season.

Getting a guy that can kinda' fill Jrue' role in KCP while getting out of the 1st apron and a few firsts would be a win for the Cs. The other option is something around Edey and contracts. I don't think Edey fits this new offensive system the Grizz are committed to.

I wonder if the holdup is the salary aggregation rule for both KCP and Simons. I think that expires 8/15, which is why I've had next Friday circled on my calendar. Something like KCP Konchar, and Edey for Simons and Hauser may make sense for both teams. Hauser fills the role left by Kennard as the shooting specialist. Gets the Cs out of the 1st apron too.

I think the salary aggregation limit lifts for Simons (and all the others traded after the start of the league year) is in early September, 60 days after the trade, unless the new CBA changed it to 45 and I missed that detail.

[Vermont Green]

He is certainly a key puzzle piece to resolve. 

Plan A:  Trade him for value this off season
Plan B:  Play him and look to trade him at the deadline
Plan C:  Play him and keep him beyond this season.

I don't mind if they trade him this off season but only if they get some actual return for him.  If that type of deal is not available, I would rather keep him and play him over just dumping him for a TPE.  You can do the latter anytime up to the trade deadline.

I think the situation is going to be good for him to put up numbers and build some value.  I would be disappointed if they just dump him for nothing before we get to see how he looks in a Celtics uniform.

Least likely, but not entirely out of the question, is that he plays well and finds a way to fit in with the Celtics.  The Celtics would still have the best chance to sign him or extend him if they want to.  We will have to find some front court Big depth in any case.

I loved the rumors of Simons -> Memphis for KCP + picks. That would be the ideal realistic package for him either now or at the deadline.

Id suspect it would be 2nds rather than firsts, but still. KCPs contract is 2 years which on its face is a negative but I think Id like to have a slightly beefy expiring available next summer when well really be trying to win again. You can wrap that expiring 22 mil contract with some decent picks and get back a really good player.

However, I dont agree that you can always just dump him for a TPE. I dont think that deal exists.

Technically acquiring a TPE for Simons is possible in a trade.  It would require a third team taking on a smallish amount of salary, but it can be done.

For example, if the Celtics traded Simons to Washington, and the Wizards traded Kispert to the Celtics and Brahnam and Champagnie (with only a couple hundred thousand guaranteed, so a bit over $5 million in salary total) to a third team, the Celtics would drop far enough in salary to have access to the full mid-level exception.  They could then use the mid-level to absorb Kispert and get a full TPE for Simons and stay completely under the tax. I?m not saying the Wizards would do that, but the deal would look something like that, with the player the Celtics get back likely have 2-3 years left on his deal, as clearing the books for next year would be a possible motivation for the team acquiring Simons.  And honestly, I never know what is going on with the Wizards, so maybe they would do it.

Very creative idea.  I think they could also absorb a player with Porzingis' TPE this season and then kind of roll the TPE forward by having part of the Simons trade.  The advantage in this is that it buys more time to use the TPE next off season.  But I believe using a TPE from a prior season hard caps you at the first apron.  Not the end of the world, but I would rather they avoid any hard cap.

[jambr380]

I don't think there is any scenario where the Celtics take on a big multi-year contract in exchange for Simons. They dumped Mann off to Brooklyn in the KP deal by re-routing the #22 pick in the draft from ATL. Mann is owed around $16M/yr over the next 3 years compared to $21.6M/yr owed to KCP over the next two.

I'd have to imagine if the Celtics were interested in taking on a multiple year contract, then they would have offered the expiring Simons to BKN in place of Mann. It would have saved them a ton of tax dollars this year (basically getting them below the tax at this point) and Simons as an expiring and better player would have likely been a more desirable piece from BKN's perspective.

EDIT: Just to be clear, I was responding the the KCP suggestions above. I probably should have quoted what I was replying to since my message is now seemingly in a different discussion.

[Celtics2021]

He is certainly a key puzzle piece to resolve. 

Plan A:  Trade him for value this off season
Plan B:  Play him and look to trade him at the deadline
Plan C:  Play him and keep him beyond this season.

I don't mind if they trade him this off season but only if they get some actual return for him.  If that type of deal is not available, I would rather keep him and play him over just dumping him for a TPE.  You can do the latter anytime up to the trade deadline.

I think the situation is going to be good for him to put up numbers and build some value.  I would be disappointed if they just dump him for nothing before we get to see how he looks in a Celtics uniform.

Least likely, but not entirely out of the question, is that he plays well and finds a way to fit in with the Celtics.  The Celtics would still have the best chance to sign him or extend him if they want to.  We will have to find some front court Big depth in any case.

I loved the rumors of Simons -> Memphis for KCP + picks. That would be the ideal realistic package for him either now or at the deadline.

Id suspect it would be 2nds rather than firsts, but still. KCPs contract is 2 years which on its face is a negative but I think Id like to have a slightly beefy expiring available next summer when well really be trying to win again. You can wrap that expiring 22 mil contract with some decent picks and get back a really good player.

However, I dont agree that you can always just dump him for a TPE. I dont think that deal exists.

Technically acquiring a TPE for Simons is possible in a trade.  It would require a third team taking on a smallish amount of salary, but it can be done.

For example, if the Celtics traded Simons to Washington, and the Wizards traded Kispert to the Celtics and Brahnam and Champagnie (with only a couple hundred thousand guaranteed, so a bit over $5 million in salary total) to a third team, the Celtics would drop far enough in salary to have access to the full mid-level exception.  They could then use the mid-level to absorb Kispert and get a full TPE for Simons and stay completely under the tax. I?m not saying the Wizards would do that, but the deal would look something like that, with the player the Celtics get back likely have 2-3 years left on his deal, as clearing the books for next year would be a possible motivation for the team acquiring Simons.  And honestly, I never know what is going on with the Wizards, so maybe they would do it.

Very creative idea.  I think they could also absorb a player with Porzingis' TPE this season and then kind of roll the TPE forward by having part of the Simons trade.  The advantage in this is that it buys more time to use the TPE next off season.  But I believe using a TPE from a prior season hard caps you at the first apron.  Not the end of the world, but I would rather they avoid any hard cap.

The main point in having a large TPE is to use it next off-season, so  I think accepting a hard-cap penalty is fine.  The Celtics are not going to be jumping above the first apron next year anyway if they have dumped Simons.  They simply would not have the cap exceptions to do so.

[Birdman]

Could a sign and trade with golden State work? Warriors get Simons & Celtics get Kuminga..and other players and picks involved

[Vermont Green]

The main point in having a large TPE is to use it next off-season, so  I think accepting a hard-cap penalty is fine.  The Celtics are not going to be jumping above the first apron next year anyway if they have dumped Simons.  They simply would not have the cap exceptions to do so.

This is exactly my concern with "dumping" Simons.  I see the ideal scenario as trading Simons decent players that can then be resigned. Or who are already signed.  That is how we replace Holiday and Porzingis.  No, I don't have a specific trade in mind and I concede that it will be hard.  Ideally, you get someone like Kessler and then resign them.

To me, the ideal place to be for 2026-27 is just below the second apron.  That gives you the best chance to field the best possible team for the Tatum-Brown window.  Hard capping yourself at the 1st apron leaves about $12.8M on the table

[Ilikesports17]

Could a sign and trade with golden State work? Warriors get Simons & Celtics get Kuminga..and other players and picks involved

No.

Golden State can only take back 50% of Kuminga's salary in a Sign and Trade.