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Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #570 on: Yesterday at 09:26:16 AM »

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Jvalin, if you're around, can you provide that spreadsheet of players drafted again please?

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SAB, thanks for the explanation.  I'm sure that you've gone over this ad nauseum, I just don't pay attention. ;)
Here you go.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jurdf2INIJrR8aPDK0t3DnoRJhfSRq_FOCPq4Aws4WA/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #571 on: Yesterday at 09:34:41 AM »

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Jvalin, if you're around, can you provide that spreadsheet of players drafted again please?

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SAB, thanks for the explanation.  I'm sure that you've gone over this ad nauseum, I just don't pay attention. ;)
Here you go.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jurdf2INIJrR8aPDK0t3DnoRJhfSRq_FOCPq4Aws4WA/edit?gid=0#gid=0

Thanks!

So, it looks like the trade with Snively worked out as:

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CHI trades:  Steph Curry, Kristaps Porzingis, Jalen Brunson

BOS trades:  Kobe Bryant, Chauncey Billups, Danny Granger

And my deal with CFF was:

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BOS trades:  Ray Allen, O.G. Anunoby, Serge Ibaka

ORL trades: Jrue Holiday, Hedo Turkuglu, Deandre Jordan

Both seem pretty fair.


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KP / Giannis / Turkuglu / Jrue / Curry
Sabonis / Brand / A. Thompson / Oladipo / Brunson
Jordan / Bowen

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Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #572 on: Yesterday at 09:37:38 AM »

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I like the Aldridge choice.  He was neck-and-neck with another PF that I really like.


I'M THE SILVERBACK GORILLA IN THIS MOTHER... AND DON'T NONE OF YA'LL EVER FORGET IT!

KP / Giannis / Turkuglu / Jrue / Curry
Sabonis / Brand / A. Thompson / Oladipo / Brunson
Jordan / Bowen

Redshirt:  Cooper Flagg

Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #573 on: Yesterday at 09:40:14 AM »

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I like the Aldridge choice.  He was neck-and-neck with another PF that I really like.

Age old efficiency question, but 2nd team all NBA on the last day is insane value. Lamarcus was a stud. Oden Lamarcus Roy could?ve been an elite trio for that era
CelticsBlog 2005-25 Fantasy Draft Commish - OKC Thunder:
PG: SGA (24-25, MVP)
SG: Klay Thompson (14-15)
SF: Kevin Durant (13-14, MVP)
PF: Evan Mobley (24-25, DPOY)
C: Rudy Gobert (18-19, DPOY)
B: JKidd, Vince, KAT, Siakam, Bam, Rose (MVP), Danny Green

Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #574 on: Yesterday at 09:48:31 AM »

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I like the Aldridge choice.  He was neck-and-neck with another PF that I really like.

Age old efficiency question, but 2nd team all NBA on the last day is insane value. Lamarcus was a stud. Oden Lamarcus Roy could?ve been an elite trio for that era

Oden will always be one of the biggest "what ifs" in NBA history. 

I also thought that SAS team that LMA joined was a lock for a title.  Duncan + LMA + Kawhi + Manu + Parker.

The core-3 were old, but I thought that Kawhi + LMA would still be the backbone of a championship squad.  67 wins, 1st in DRtg, 4th in ORtg, 1st in Net Rtg...  and the lost in the second round.


I'M THE SILVERBACK GORILLA IN THIS MOTHER... AND DON'T NONE OF YA'LL EVER FORGET IT!

KP / Giannis / Turkuglu / Jrue / Curry
Sabonis / Brand / A. Thompson / Oladipo / Brunson
Jordan / Bowen

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Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #575 on: Yesterday at 10:06:50 AM »

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I love the Jamal Murray pick. Ideal 11th / 12th man. He can backup both guard positions. PG and SG. Play on ball or off ball.

He was a guy I was strongly leaning towards before I decided to go with Kyrie.

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« Reply #576 on: Yesterday at 10:09:17 AM »

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I'm gonna go with a guy I forgot existed.
2025 Draft: Chicago Bulls

PG: Chauncey Billups/Deron Williams
SG: Kobe Bryant/Eric Gordon
SF: Jimmy Butler/Danny Granger/Danilo Gallinari
PF: Al Horford/Zion Williamson
C: Yao Ming/Pau Gasol/Tyson Chandler

Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #577 on: Yesterday at 10:09:41 AM »

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I like the Aldridge choice.  He was neck-and-neck with another PF that I really like.

Age old efficiency question, but 2nd team all NBA on the last day is insane value. Lamarcus was a stud. Oden Lamarcus Roy could?ve been an elite trio for that era

Oden will always be one of the biggest "what ifs" in NBA history. 

I also thought that SAS team that LMA joined was a lock for a title.  Duncan + LMA + Kawhi + Manu + Parker.

The core-3 were old, but I thought that Kawhi + LMA would still be the backbone of a championship squad.  67 wins, 1st in DRtg, 4th in ORtg, 1st in Net Rtg...  and the lost in the second round.

I liked them the next year too when they replaced old man Duncan with slightly less old man Pau Gasol. Kawhi really elevated offensively that year to a go to #1 scorer, that had the makings of a great series against the Warriors until Zaza destroyed his ankle.
2025 CelticsStrong Historical Draft Orlando Magic:
PG: Chris Paul, Fred VanVleet
SG: Ray Allen, OG Anunoby, Zach Lavine
SF: Paul Pierce, Gordon Hayward
PF: Chris Bosh, Serge Ibaka, David West
C: Tim Duncan, Andrew Bogut

Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #578 on: Yesterday at 10:13:16 AM »

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I like how Vince Carter can come off the bench and open up the offense for OKC.

G: SGA
G: Klay
F: Vince
F: Durant
C: Gobert / E Mobley

Start with the double big and defensive mindset. Big lineup. Then to be able to complete change-up the game by subbing out one of the two bigs for Vince and shifting Durant to PF.

Imagine trying to defend that. Nightmare. You have SGA at the top handling the ball and if you have to send help you will leave either Klay, Durant or Vince open behind the three. Or you leave the big open to wander down the lane for an easy dunk.

OKC can open the offense up even more by keeping Evan Mobley in there at C instead of Gobert. A 5 out offense. A strong ball-handler in Mobley who can attack open spaces. A better passer than Gobert who can be a playmaker on the short roll to those shooters spreading the floor.

SGA is the piece for me that makes it all work. His dribble penetration and scoring threat is what drives their offense. What creates easier opportunities for everyone else.

I want to go back to this for a second ...

SGA is the irreplaceable piece of that puzzle that makes it all work.

* The Siakam pickup was great because it gave the team a guy who can sub in for Durant at PF in that small-ball lineup and maintain a high quality of player (as a unit). They didn't have that before. Now they can maintain this small-ball unit with or without Durant.

* Kidd can sub in for Klay. Different type of threat than Klay. Still highly effective lineup.

* And any of the bigs can slot in at center. Gobert for defense. Towns for offense. Bam or E Mobley for a blend of both offense & defense.

The only guy who cannot be replaced in that lineup is SGA. Nobody else can penetrate the defense often enough to create offense for everyone else. Vince would become the primary point of attack off the dribble. He settles for too many long jumpers. He doesn't drive as hard or as often as SGA. The team would become more perimeter orientated / stagnant without SGA.

G: Kidd
G: Klay
F: Vince
F: Durant
C: Gobert

SGA is the straw that stirs the drink. He makes everything work for OKC.

Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #579 on: Yesterday at 10:22:55 AM »

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I like the Zion pick a lot. The sim will love it if he plays
CelticsBlog 2005-25 Fantasy Draft Commish - OKC Thunder:
PG: SGA (24-25, MVP)
SG: Klay Thompson (14-15)
SF: Kevin Durant (13-14, MVP)
PF: Evan Mobley (24-25, DPOY)
C: Rudy Gobert (18-19, DPOY)
B: JKidd, Vince, KAT, Siakam, Bam, Rose (MVP), Danny Green

Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #580 on: Yesterday at 10:24:34 AM »

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I like how Vince Carter can come off the bench and open up the offense for OKC.

G: SGA
G: Klay
F: Vince
F: Durant
C: Gobert / E Mobley

Start with the double big and defensive mindset. Big lineup. Then to be able to complete change-up the game by subbing out one of the two bigs for Vince and shifting Durant to PF.

Imagine trying to defend that. Nightmare. You have SGA at the top handling the ball and if you have to send help you will leave either Klay, Durant or Vince open behind the three. Or you leave the big open to wander down the lane for an easy dunk.

OKC can open the offense up even more by keeping Evan Mobley in there at C instead of Gobert. A 5 out offense. A strong ball-handler in Mobley who can attack open spaces. A better passer than Gobert who can be a playmaker on the short roll to those shooters spreading the floor.

SGA is the piece for me that makes it all work. His dribble penetration and scoring threat is what drives their offense. What creates easier opportunities for everyone else.

I want to go back to this for a second ...

SGA is the irreplaceable piece of that puzzle that makes it all work.

* The Siakam pickup was great because it gave the team a guy who can sub in for Durant at PF in that small-ball lineup and maintain a high quality of player (as a unit). They didn't have that before. Now they can maintain this small-ball unit with or without Durant.

* Kidd can sub in for Klay. Different type of threat than Klay. Still highly effective lineup.

* And any of the bigs can slot in at center. Gobert for defense. Towns for offense. Bam or E Mobley for a blend of both offense & defense.

The only guy who cannot be replaced in that lineup is SGA. Nobody else can penetrate the defense often enough to create offense for everyone else. Vince would become the primary point of attack off the dribble. He settles for too many long jumpers. He doesn't drive as hard or as often as SGA. The team would become more perimeter orientated / stagnant without SGA.

G: Kidd
G: Klay
F: Vince
F: Durant
C: Gobert

SGA is the straw that stirs the drink. He makes everything work for OKC.

Thanks Who I appreciate your thoughts and opinions on my team. I think you and CFF have built bizarro versions of the same team model and you both have two of the strongest teams in the draw

I didn?t get to team feedback yesterday, I?ll try to find time soon
CelticsBlog 2005-25 Fantasy Draft Commish - OKC Thunder:
PG: SGA (24-25, MVP)
SG: Klay Thompson (14-15)
SF: Kevin Durant (13-14, MVP)
PF: Evan Mobley (24-25, DPOY)
C: Rudy Gobert (18-19, DPOY)
B: JKidd, Vince, KAT, Siakam, Bam, Rose (MVP), Danny Green

Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #581 on: Yesterday at 10:27:40 AM »

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Who is someone like Curry or Brunson going to guard with both Luka and Donovan on the floor (heck can they even guard someone the size and strength of Brown?).  Even Jrue, while an elite defender, isn't all that big (same with Victor).  He will struggle guarding all of the elite SG's in this and Hedo is not a good defender.  That is what I was saying about your point of attack defense.  It isn't good.  It a clear weak point on your team.  I think you needed to pick a defending PG not Brunson given Curry is your starter. 

That is why I wanted Daniels.  I wanted someone that could provide a different skill set than Luka.  I think that is important.  It provides way more lineup options and flexibility.  I mean if Curry isn't defending well, it isn't like Brunson is going to come in and play lock down defense.  That is why I liked JV picking up White to backup Lillard.  I also liked the inverse that Tim did with Rondo starting he went with an offensive juggernaut in Westbrook to back him up (not that I really like Russ in this, but I like the different style approach), similar to his AK and Peja forward duo.  If your starter has a weakness, his backup should have that weakness be his strength.  At least that is my philosophy to team building.

This is part of my mindset too. Not an absolute but always a consideration.

* When I drafted Iggy, he is a bad outside shooter so I wanted a backup SF who was a strong outside shooter. That led to Khris Middleton. Iggy had an outside weakness that needed a reserve who could address the issue.

* I picked Jaren Jackson Jr because I wanted a more perimeter orientated big to go along with KG and Embiid. A stretch big. I also wanted a strong defensive PF alongside Embiid while KG rests. And a small ball option with KG going to C alongside a quicker PF than Embiid. Variety of attack / style of play.

* I picked Joe Johnson as reserve for Manu because Manu has good height at 6-6 but lacks girth and can be outmuscled by bigger SGs like Kobe Bryant. Joe Johnson is a big SG. He also gives more defensive matchup options against a team like Moranis' Cleveland team that has 3 huge perimeter wings and no guards. Joe Johnson can defend those guys whereas Manu would have a tougher time.

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Where I did not follow this idea is at PG. The reasons being

(1) I am never subbing out someone as valuable as Nash to put in a defensive guard instead of him. Nash is too talented. I live with his weaknesses.

(2) Nash is the system. The whole dynamic of the team changes without Nash. That is one reason I liked Haliburton as a reserve because while not the same as Nash he can provide something close enough to what Nash does as a pass-first PG and keep the team idenity / style of play going while Nash sits.


I also didn't go with a different player as my 4th big. That was more circumstances. I was planning on going with an athletic rim runner / high level defensive C like a Tyson Chandler. That did not pan out. I went with Aldridge instead. BPA.

Plus, I liked having a 4th big who can shoot the J well enough to stop other team's shot-blocking centers from being able to camp out in the paint. Aldridge will keep the paint open for all to attack it.

Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #582 on: Yesterday at 10:28:20 AM »

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I like the Zion pick a lot. The sim will love it if he plays

I had totally forgotten about him (I should really use a list). An absolute freak. I'm making some changes to accommodate him in the rotation. As Who suggested, Horford will go in the starting line-up to open up lanes for my wings and Yao. Pau will be the 6th man. Zion will be primary back-up 4.
2025 Draft: Chicago Bulls

PG: Chauncey Billups/Deron Williams
SG: Kobe Bryant/Eric Gordon
SF: Jimmy Butler/Danny Granger/Danilo Gallinari
PF: Al Horford/Zion Williamson
C: Yao Ming/Pau Gasol/Tyson Chandler

Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #583 on: Yesterday at 10:29:31 AM »

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I like the Zion pick a lot. The sim will love it if he plays

Me too. I wrote his name down early but then forgot all about him when I was ranking my PFs.

Interesting pick for Chicago.

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« Reply #584 on: Yesterday at 10:34:21 AM »

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Rose really helps the SAB team. Dynamic shot creation.
2025 Draft: Chicago Bulls

PG: Chauncey Billups/Deron Williams
SG: Kobe Bryant/Eric Gordon
SF: Jimmy Butler/Danny Granger/Danilo Gallinari
PF: Al Horford/Zion Williamson
C: Yao Ming/Pau Gasol/Tyson Chandler