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Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #390 on: Yesterday at 04:53:35 PM »

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Noah's good value there.  Obviously, he worked out well in the 2000s/2010s and think his skill set would still work well in today's era.

He definitely passes the irritating to play against test.
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Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #391 on: Yesterday at 04:59:17 PM »

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Noah's good value there.  Obviously, he worked out well in the 2000s/2010s and think his skill set would still work well in today's era.
Obviously slightly different styles and Noah is not nearly as good, but I think he'd have similar game to Giannis today.  I'll just call him a poor mans Giannis.
2025 Historical Draft - Cleveland Cavaliers - 1st pick

Starters - Luka, JB, Lebron, Wemby, Shaq
Rotation - Noah, G. Wallace,
Deep Bench -

Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #392 on: Yesterday at 05:01:36 PM »

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Noah's good value there.  Obviously, he worked out well in the 2000s/2010s and think his skill set would still work well in today's era.

Yeah.  I hated the guy so he was on my "do not draft list", but you don't see many bigs who combine his passing and defense (and ugliest shot in NBA history).


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Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #393 on: Yesterday at 06:00:41 PM »

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See you all tomorrow at 10:15 am!

Mo, if you want to start early please announce it asap.

Official pick order and timing:

61   Moranis   On the clock 10:15, skipped at 10:21
62   CFF   10:20 / 10:26
63   Who   10:25 / 10:31
64   Jvalin   10:30 / 10:36
65   Snively   10:35 / 10:41
66   Roy   10:40 / 10:46
67   SAB   10:45 / 10:51
68   Dons   10:50 / 10:56
69   RodyTur10   10:55 / 11:01
70   RodyTur10   11am / 11:06
71   Tim     11:05 / 11:11
72   Tim     11:10 / 11:16
73   Dons   11:15 / 11:21
74   SAB   11:20 / 11:26
75   CFF    11:25 / 11:31
76   Snively   11:30 / 11:36
77   Jvalin     11:35 / 11:41
78   Who    11:40 / 11:46
79   CFF    11:45 / 11:51
80   Moranis   11:50 / 11:56

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https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=109542.msg3317664#msg3317664
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CelticsBlog 2005-25 Fantasy Draft Commish - OKC Thunder:
PG: SGA (24-25, MVP)
SG: Klay Thompson (14-15)
SF: Kevin Durant (13-14, MVP)
PF: Evan Mobley (24-25, DPOY)
C: Rudy Gobert (18-19, DPOY)
Bench: Jason Kidd, Vince Carter,

Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #394 on: Yesterday at 06:35:44 PM »

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I had a hard time with Lillard.  Bad defensively and fairly ball dominant. Incredibly great shooter, but just wasn't sure how he'd do in a 3rd or 4th scorer type role.

Doesn't the same apply to Luka and JB, though?
JB has never been a #1 option, that is different than guys used to being the man. JB also plays defense something Lillard has never done.

Luka is the 2nd ball handler on my team. LeBron then Luka, with Shaq getting post touches.  Shaq in 05 only had 15 FGA, which is basically a high level 3rd option in the modern game (that is also part of the reason I took Shaq and not Embiid).

It is 15.0 FGAs + 10.5 FTAs. So more like 20 FGs per game. Plus 3 turnovers. 23 scoring possessions. In a slower paced era. Miami had 91 possesions a game. Shaq played 34mpg. So roughly 23 possesions out of 64 possessions he was on the floor ended with Shaq taking a shot (FGA or FTAs) or losing the ball. About 36% of the possessions. Not including assists. Probably more like 40% of the offense with assists included. 

The high number of FTs disguise how much the offense was running through him.

Still less than Embiid obviously.
Shaq's usg% that season was 30.5.   Wade's was 30.9. 

Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #395 on: Yesterday at 07:09:34 PM »

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Haven't gone through everything, but as of now the way I'm leaning will stun this board.
Did you change your mind?  JB isn't a stunner.  My choice would have been Jrue but JB would have been 2nd.   

Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #396 on: Yesterday at 07:20:09 PM »

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Haven't gone through everything, but as of now the way I'm leaning will stun this board.
Did you change your mind?  JB isn't a stunner.  My choice would have been Jrue but JB would have been 2nd.

Mo's criticism of JB is blog-famous, including several years of arguing that JB doesn't contribute to winning.


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Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #397 on: Yesterday at 08:59:12 PM »

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Haven't gone through everything, but as of now the way I'm leaning will stun this board.
Did you change your mind?  JB isn't a stunner.  My choice would have been Jrue but JB would have been 2nd.

Mo's criticism of JB is blog-famous, including several years of arguing that JB doesn't contribute to winning.
Doesn't contribute to winning on the Celtics.  Still true, except short spurts here and there.  It isn't because I dislike him, which seems to be the sentiment, it is just that I don't think he is a good fit with Tatum.  They don't compliment each other very well.  I think he compliments Lebron and Luka though.  He provides the right mix with them. 
2025 Historical Draft - Cleveland Cavaliers - 1st pick

Starters - Luka, JB, Lebron, Wemby, Shaq
Rotation - Noah, G. Wallace,
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Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
« Reply #398 on: Today at 07:39:41 AM »

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The Cleveland Cavaliers will add, Joakim Noah as the first player off their bench. 

In 2013-14, Noah was DPOY, 4th in MVP, an All Star, 1st Team All NBA, and 1st Team Defense.  A guy that doesn't need the ball on offense and is happy to grab rebounds, block shots, generate steals, and pass.  That year he averaged 12.6 p, 11.3 r, 5.4 a, 1.5 b, 1.2 s and led the league with 6.6 DWS (a solid 11.2 WS overall).  He is a classic do everything stat sheet filler that will fill in nicely when Shaq is resting.

I would describe this differently. That Joakim Noah doesn't need shots but he does need the ball.

Chicago ran their offense through him as a high post facilitator. That is why he was able to get so many assists. Without running the ball through him in the high post, you lose the assists.

I remember they had articles at the time (2011?) when Joakim Noah got injured at some point. Maybe it was an old TrueHoop article. People were shocked that Chicago were missing him on offense. They looked at his scoring (low), his shooting (ugly), and lack of shot creation and were shocked Chicago missed him on offense. Than they finally started to recognize the value of Noah's passing and how he improved Chicago's offense with it.

Passing was a big part of his value as a player and what separates him from the other "rim runner" type centers. It gives him a value on offense that they do not have. However without the ball regularly touching his hands to act as a facilitator, you don't get that value. He comes one of those basic "rim runners". He needs the ball to elevate himself above them (offensively).

As a rim runner, I don't think Noah is as good as some others because he is not as athletic / as good at playing above the rim as some of the other rim runners.

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LeBron and Luka have never made much use of high post passing bigs. They have always under-utilized them.

Shaq is a facilitator also but a different type of facilitator. Shaq is a low post passing hub but he doesn't pass much from the high post. So the offense will be completely different with Shaq vs without Shaq.

This is not that unusual (Luka, LeBron). Playmakers who are that talented and that prolific often prefer to make the plays themselves than play off-ball. Magic Johnson was the same way late in his career. LAL rarely used Vlade Divac's passing until after Magic retired from the team because the ball was always in Magic's hands (Divac 1.0apg first 2yrs next to Magic in 24mpg). Same with Mychal Thompson who before before joining LAL was a very good passer in Portland. Kareem was the only big man whose passing was part of the offense. A low post hub like Shaq on these Cavaliers teams next to LeBron & Luka.
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Re: 2025 CelticsBlog Fantasy Draft: '05-'25 Edition
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I had forgotten to label some DPOYs in the team thread, where MVP and DPOY winners are denoted. That should be fixed now, but let me know if I missed anyone. You can PM me to make changes to your listed roster there or to specify seasons:

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« Reply #400 on: Today at 08:18:06 AM »

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The Cleveland Cavaliers will add, Joakim Noah as the first player off their bench. 

In 2013-14, Noah was DPOY, 4th in MVP, an All Star, 1st Team All NBA, and 1st Team Defense.  A guy that doesn't need the ball on offense and is happy to grab rebounds, block shots, generate steals, and pass.  That year he averaged 12.6 p, 11.3 r, 5.4 a, 1.5 b, 1.2 s and led the league with 6.6 DWS (a solid 11.2 WS overall).  He is a classic do everything stat sheet filler that will fill in nicely when Shaq is resting.

I would describe this differently. That Joakim Noah doesn't need shots but he does need the ball.

Chicago ran their offense through him as a high post facilitator. That is why he was able to get so many assists. Without running the ball through him in the high post, you lose the assists.

I remember they had articles at the time (2011?) when Joakim Noah got injured at some point. Maybe it was an old TrueHoop article. People were shocked that Chicago were missing him on offense. They looked at his scoring (low), his shooting (ugly), and lack of shot creation and were shocked Chicago missed him on offense. Than they finally started to recognize the value of Noah's passing and how he improved Chicago's offense with it.

Passing was a big part of his value as a player and what separates him from the other "rim runner" type centers. It gives him a value on offense that they do not have. However without the ball regularly touching his hands to act as a facilitator, you don't get that value. He comes one of those basic "rim runners". He needs the ball to elevate himself above them (offensively).

As a rim runner, I don't think Noah is as good as some others because he is not as athletic / as good at playing above the rim as some of the other rim runners.

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LeBron and Luka have never made much use of high post passing bigs. They have always under-utilized them.

Shaq is a facilitator also but a different type of facilitator. Shaq is a low post passing hub but he doesn't pass much from the high post. So the offense will be completely different with Shaq vs without Shaq.

This is not that unusual (Luka, LeBron). Playmakers who are that talented and that prolific often prefer to make the plays themselves than play off-ball. Magic Johnson was the same way late in his career. LAL rarely used Vlade Divac's passing until after Magic retired from the team because the ball was always in Magic's hands (Divac 1.0apg first 2yrs next to Magic in 24mpg). Same with Mychal Thompson who before before joining LAL was a very good passer in Portland. Kareem was the only big man whose passing was part of the offense. A low post hub like Shaq on these Cavaliers teams next to LeBron & Luka.
I think that is all fair, but it also is going to be an issue on all teams in this.  I drafted Noah for his defense more than offense.  There are so many high level offensive players, I wanted some defense (same for my 7th pick whcih I'm announcing soon).  Bench players in particular are going to be strange fits in this unless you actually draft bench players (and not the 30 mpg bench guys).
2025 Historical Draft - Cleveland Cavaliers - 1st pick

Starters - Luka, JB, Lebron, Wemby, Shaq
Rotation - Noah, G. Wallace,
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DRAFT IS UNDERWAY
CelticsBlog 2005-25 Fantasy Draft Commish - OKC Thunder:
PG: SGA (24-25, MVP)
SG: Klay Thompson (14-15)
SF: Kevin Durant (13-14, MVP)
PF: Evan Mobley (24-25, DPOY)
C: Rudy Gobert (18-19, DPOY)
Bench: Jason Kidd, Vince Carter,

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All great picks so far. 


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Gaaa, really wanted White.
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Gaaa, really wanted White.

White was #2 on my list.


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