I miss Danny's drafting...

[Roy H.]

So, other than the Antoine deal (which netted us Tony Allen, Delonte West and Rajon Rondo), and the trade for Ratliff's contract that was central to the KG deal, which trades were "disasters"?

the Kyrie trade was a disaster. Set the team back a fair amount.   A lot of his smaller moves were bad though smaller so hard to call a disaster.

Also, Tony Allen was the Mike James trade. Chris Mills was salary filler. The trade was for Mike James, tying that to the Toine trade is taking a lot of liberties.  Less liberties taken on connecting the Rondo trade as the future 1st Boston traded was from the Cavs acquirong Jiri Welsch, but that is still a bit of stretch since Phoenix would have taken any future 1st and would have likely preferred one that wasnt from a LeBron led Cabs team.

Chris Mills was essential to that trade, as it allowed us to take back Chucky Atkins and his salary (which was the point of the trade for Detroit).

[Moranis]

So, other than the Antoine deal (which netted us Tony Allen, Delonte West and Rajon Rondo), and the trade for Ratliff's contract that was central to the KG deal, which trades were "disasters"?

the Kyrie trade was a disaster. Set the team back a fair amount.   A lot of his smaller moves were bad though smaller so hard to call a disaster.

Also, Tony Allen was the Mike James trade. Chris Mills was salary filler. The trade was for Mike James, tying that to the Toine trade is taking a lot of liberties.  Less liberties taken on connecting the Rondo trade as the future 1st Boston traded was from the Cavs acquirong Jiri Welsch, but that is still a bit of stretch since Phoenix would have taken any future 1st and would have likely preferred one that wasnt from a LeBron led Cabs team.

Chris Mills was essential to that trade, as it allowed us to take back Chucky Atkins and his salary (which was the point of the trade for Detroit).

any contract would have worked

[Roy H.]

So, other than the Antoine deal (which netted us Tony Allen, Delonte West and Rajon Rondo), and the trade for Ratliff's contract that was central to the KG deal, which trades were "disasters"?

the Kyrie trade was a disaster. Set the team back a fair amount.   A lot of his smaller moves were bad though smaller so hard to call a disaster.

Also, Tony Allen was the Mike James trade. Chris Mills was salary filler. The trade was for Mike James, tying that to the Toine trade is taking a lot of liberties.  Less liberties taken on connecting the Rondo trade as the future 1st Boston traded was from the Cavs acquirong Jiri Welsch, but that is still a bit of stretch since Phoenix would have taken any future 1st and would have likely preferred one that wasnt from a LeBron led Cabs team.

Chris Mills was essential to that trade, as it allowed us to take back Chucky Atkins and his salary (which was the point of the trade for Detroit).

any contract would have worked

And yet, Chris Mills was the one that was used.

[Moranis]

So, other than the Antoine deal (which netted us Tony Allen, Delonte West and Rajon Rondo), and the trade for Ratliff's contract that was central to the KG deal, which trades were "disasters"?

the Kyrie trade was a disaster. Set the team back a fair amount.   A lot of his smaller moves were bad though smaller so hard to call a disaster.

Also, Tony Allen was the Mike James trade. Chris Mills was salary filler. The trade was for Mike James, tying that to the Toine trade is taking a lot of liberties.  Less liberties taken on connecting the Rondo trade as the future 1st Boston traded was from the Cavs acquirong Jiri Welsch, but that is still a bit of stretch since Phoenix would have taken any future 1st and would have likely preferred one that wasnt from a LeBron led Cabs team.

Chris Mills was essential to that trade, as it allowed us to take back Chucky Atkins and his salary (which was the point of the trade for Detroit).

any contract would have worked

And yet, Chris Mills was the one that was used.

because he was "on" the team taking up space as deadweight.  If he wasn't any other player could have been used.  It was the salary slot not the player.  Any salary slot would have worked. 

[Roy H.]

So, other than the Antoine deal (which netted us Tony Allen, Delonte West and Rajon Rondo), and the trade for Ratliff's contract that was central to the KG deal, which trades were "disasters"?

the Kyrie trade was a disaster. Set the team back a fair amount.   A lot of his smaller moves were bad though smaller so hard to call a disaster.

Also, Tony Allen was the Mike James trade. Chris Mills was salary filler. The trade was for Mike James, tying that to the Toine trade is taking a lot of liberties.  Less liberties taken on connecting the Rondo trade as the future 1st Boston traded was from the Cavs acquirong Jiri Welsch, but that is still a bit of stretch since Phoenix would have taken any future 1st and would have likely preferred one that wasnt from a LeBron led Cabs team.

Chris Mills was essential to that trade, as it allowed us to take back Chucky Atkins and his salary (which was the point of the trade for Detroit).

any contract would have worked

And yet, Chris Mills was the one that was used.

because he was "on" the team taking up space as deadweight.  If he wasn't any other player could have been used.  It was the salary slot not the player.  Any salary slot would have worked.

Right.  Mills was necessary salary filler, that we had.  And, Mills' contract was covered by insurance.  It was a key asset that nobody else had.  Thus, why the deal got done with us.

[Celtics4ever]

Danny was a good drafter.   He was also so shrewd as  GM and hard to work with other GMs driving a hard bargain to the point where I think it came back to haunt us a bit.

Now I want a guy like that at the helm.   I also think Brad is a great job and we are pretty lucky.

the Kyrie trade was a disaster. Set the team back a fair amount.   A lot of his smaller moves were bad though smaller so hard to call a disaster.

I agree this and Tristan Thompson trade set bad examples for Tatum and Brown in terms of work ethic.

[Roy H.]

The Kyrie trade is a hard one for me to wrap my head around in hindsight.

At the time, I hated it, mostly because I thought Kyrie and IT4 were essentially equal as players.  I was wrong on that; IT was completely cooked after his injury.

The trade was:  IT, Crowder, Zizic, #1 (Collin Sexton) for Kyrie

None of the outgoing players amounted to much.  Crowder remained a rotation player for a few more years, but he was never a core piece.  Collin Sexton turned out to be a decent player, but never a difference maker.

In return, we got two seasons of All-Star play, including Kyrie making 2nd Team All-NBA. 

At the time, giving up the #7 pick for a perennial All-Star made sense, assuming the team knew that IT4 was finished.  Danny's plan thereafter was to add Anthony Davis, which seemed like a good bet.  He was hoping for a core of Horford / Davis / Tatum / Hayward / Kyrie (with Brown and Smart likely being traded in the Davis deal).

If Kyrie had kept his head on straight, that could have set up a dynasty.  So, it's hard for me to say it was a bad trade based upon the thought process.  And, I don't see it as a disaster, because we didn't end up losing any core pieces (and quickly replaced Kyrie with Kemba, who looked like an All-NBA player until getting hurt).

When I think a "disaster" trade, I think more in line with Joe Johnson for Rodney Rogers.

[Donoghus]

Kyrie trade was a calculated gamble.  It didn't pan out but I wouldn't label it a disaster.  It didn't set the franchise back that much in the grand scheme of things and, as Roy mentioned, Celtics were able to sell high on IT (who was never the same) and nothing outgoing really came back to bite the team in the butt.

[slamtheking]

The Kyrie trade is a hard one for me to wrap my head around in hindsight.

At the time, I hated it, mostly because I thought Kyrie and IT4 were essentially equal as players.  I was wrong on that; IT was completely cooked after his injury.

The trade was:  IT, Crowder, Zizic, #1 (Collin Sexton) for Kyrie

None of the outgoing players amounted to much.  Crowder remained a rotation player for a few more years, but he was never a core piece.  Collin Sexton turned out to be a decent player, but never a difference maker.

In return, we got two seasons of All-Star play, including Kyrie making 2nd Team All-NBA. 

At the time, giving up the #7 pick for a perennial All-Star made sense, assuming the team knew that IT4 was finished.  Danny's plan thereafter was to add Anthony Davis, which seemed like a good bet.  He was hoping for a core of Horford / Davis / Tatum / Hayward / Kyrie (with Brown and Smart likely being traded in the Davis deal).

If Kyrie had kept his head on straight, that could have set up a dynasty.  So, it's hard for me to say it was a bad trade based upon the thought process.  And, I don't see it as a disaster, because we didn't end up losing any core pieces (and quickly replaced Kyrie with Kemba, who looked like an All-NBA player until getting hurt).

When I think a "disaster" trade, I think more in line with Joe Johnson for Rodney Rogers.

getting Rodney wasn't so much a disaster because he gave a 3rd solid scorer behind PP and Toine.  It's the inclusion of Joe instead of Kedrick that was the boneheaded move.  never understood their fascination with Kedrick -- never showed anything when he got playing time.  Joe on the otherhand showed he would be at least a solid NBA player until he hit the rookie wall and got traded.

I don't see the Kyrie trade as a disaster - at least not one that could ahve been foreseen.  IT had an incredible season but Kyrie had been a top player in the league from his first day.  from a talent perspective, C's were getting the better player and that's without knowing the full extent of IT's injury.  it wasn't until he spent more time here that we learned what a cancer Kyrie was.  still infuriates me his disdain for Boston with the stomping of Lucky on the court floor. 

[Vermont Green]

Kyrie trade was a calculated gamble.  It didn't pan out but I wouldn't label it a disaster.  It didn't set the franchise back that much in the grand scheme of things and, as Roy mentioned, Celtics were able to sell high on IT (who was never the same) and nothing outgoing really came back to bite the team in the butt.

I agree with this.  I never viewed the Kyrie trade as a bad trade.  The big "what if" here is the Gordon Hayward injury.  Kyrie is a head case, and a hard guy for fans to root for, but he was a very good player in the prime of his career at the time of the trade, a superstar.  I loved IT, but he really had one superstar season.  He wasn't a superstar before and he wasn't after.

I think he had much worse trades, such at the following:

Danny Ainge (in his first year as Celtics GM) traded Eric Williams, Tony Battie, and Kedrick Brown to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Ricky Davis, Chris Mihm, Michael Stewart, and a second-round pick.

Not sure what we got for that second round pick but Ricky Davis was a disaster in my mind.  This trade caused Jim O'Brien to resign as coach.

[Roy H.]

Kyrie trade was a calculated gamble.  It didn't pan out but I wouldn't label it a disaster.  It didn't set the franchise back that much in the grand scheme of things and, as Roy mentioned, Celtics were able to sell high on IT (who was never the same) and nothing outgoing really came back to bite the team in the butt.

I agree with this.  I never viewed the Kyrie trade as a bad trade.  The big "what if" here is the Gordon Hayward injury.  Kyrie is a head case, and a hard guy for fans to root for, but he was a very good player in the prime of his career at the time of the trade, a superstar.  I loved IT, but he really had one superstar season.  He wasn't a superstar before and he wasn't after.

I think he had much worse trades, such at the following:

Danny Ainge (in his first year as Celtics GM) traded Eric Williams, Tony Battie, and Kedrick Brown to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Ricky Davis, Chris Mihm, Michael Stewart, and a second-round pick.

Not sure what we got for that second round pick but Ricky Davis was a disaster in my mind.  This trade caused Jim O'Brien to resign as coach.

Davis was a knucklehead, but he was fine here.  The #2 turned into Ryan Gomes and we ended up trading Davis for Wally and a potential #1.

[Donoghus]

Kyrie trade was a calculated gamble.  It didn't pan out but I wouldn't label it a disaster.  It didn't set the franchise back that much in the grand scheme of things and, as Roy mentioned, Celtics were able to sell high on IT (who was never the same) and nothing outgoing really came back to bite the team in the butt.

I agree with this.  I never viewed the Kyrie trade as a bad trade.  The big "what if" here is the Gordon Hayward injury.  Kyrie is a head case, and a hard guy for fans to root for, but he was a very good player in the prime of his career at the time of the trade, a superstar.  I loved IT, but he really had one superstar season.  He wasn't a superstar before and he wasn't after.

I think he had much worse trades, such at the following:

Danny Ainge (in his first year as Celtics GM) traded Eric Williams, Tony Battie, and Kedrick Brown to the Cleveland Cavaliers for Ricky Davis, Chris Mihm, Michael Stewart, and a second-round pick.

Not sure what we got for that second round pick but Ricky Davis was a disaster in my mind.  This trade caused Jim O'Brien to resign as coach.

Davis was a knucklehead, but he was fine here.  The #2 turned into Ryan Gomes and we ended up trading Davis for Wally and a potential #1.

2003-2007 was a complex stretch.  The team was always in cap hell trying to dig out of mistakes mostly made by the previous regime and, on the court, you had a flawed team regressing after the '01-02 ECF run.  Danny recognized this but it also required making a lot of somewhat lateral moves to try and dig out from under it.

It was a multi year project to clean up the mess and figure out the direction of the team.