Offseason thought dump before the chaos

[CFAN38]

I am expecting a lot to happen in the next couple of weeks and wanted to purge some trade, draft, and FA thoughts.



Draft,

I expect the unexpected. After Flagg and Harper I think the next 5 spots could break in many different ways.

Ace Bailey and his weird predraft leaves the door open for a dramatic fall or a surprise trade up. My prediction is the Nets look to move up a couple spots for him.

Kon Knueppel will be the conservative GM pick. A team that is scared to miss on the pick will take him and have a solid rotational piece.

After the top 7 I think this draft goes all over the place.

Out of Queen, CMB, or Essengue someone will go higher than expected and another will drop. All 3 are so unique both good and bad that teams will probably have drastically different rankings.

For the Celtics I suspect #28 is involved in a trade. The predraft workouts that have leaked only include one green room guy Cedric Coward and no other likely 1st round guys. Either BS is keeping things really quiet or #28 becomes a trade down, a trade out, or is attached in a larger deal. If the Cs do stay in I would like to see them draft one of (in this order) Penda, Gonzalez, or Thiero and one of Raynaud, Kalkbrenner, or Wolf. I am also holding onto my Dixon stock as a guy who will go late or undrafted but yield a positive long term return. 

Trades,

I have grown to dislike guessing at trades because some of these returns just dont make sense. I have tried to figure out a couple simple ones.

A. Celtics get D Robinson
    Heat get Derozan
    Kings get Holiday

As a Celtics fan I would hope/expect to get additional assets in the form of picks in this deal but at the very least its a legal trade that saves Boston 12.5 million and brings in a usable rotation player.

B Celtics get a 1st
   Name a team with an exception gets Hauser

Hate to see Sam go but the above trade and this deal sheds 22.6 million off the Cs books.

This could be enough trading but I could also see the the following

C Celtics get I Stewart, Fontecchio, future 1st? or couple 2nds?
   Detroit gets KP

This deal is a win now move for Detroit who can put KP on a pitch count in the regular season with the hope that he really changes their offense come playoffs. For the Cs they bring in a physical enforcer who fills a need as a young big and a vet who can stretch the court. This brings the Cs total cap savings to 29.2 million.

FA

I don't have much to say here other than I expect Kornet to get a payday somewhere other than Boston. With that I also think AL returns on a team friendly 2 yr deal with second year being a PO.

My wild swing is Bradley Beal... If he gets bought by the Suns I think the Cs should/would approach him to sign for the MLE/DPE. Its not a stretch to think he would have interest in joining the Cs and specifically being on the same team as Tatum. What better way to revive his career than filling in for his injured mentee?

With all that and very limited CBA knowledge I think the Cs could go into next season with a top 8 rotation of. PP, White, Beal, Brown, Stewart, Robinson, AL and Baylor? With the roster rounded out with Queta, Walsh, Fontecchio JD, Tillman, #28 (Penda), #32 (Kalkbrenner)? 

[Ilikesports17]

I would cry tears of joy if we were able to execute the first trade mentioned. If we can complete the deal before 6/29 we can then cut Duncan Robinson; only $9.8 of his $19.8 million dollar salary is guaranteed.

Sacramento would have to shed a little more salary to make this a valid deal. So we'd also have to take Terrence Davis's 2.5 mil contract(I assume the Kings don't care if he goes)

That trade alone would save us $22 million and cost us no draft capital. I'd probably even do that deal if we had to add 28 to the pot.

That in conjunction with the Hauser trade would save us $32 million. This puts us about $10 million shy of the apron and allows us to be flexible in terms of how we deal with Porzingis, Kornet and Horford.

Obviously trading Hauser and Holiday and receiving no players in return leaves us pretty barren in terms of roster with just three proven NBA rotation players that we can actually expect to play most of the games. But I think the added flexibility without having to shell out future picks makes this a terrific option anyway.

In an ideal Holiday trade we'd be able to get a rotation level big back AND shed cash AND not supply draft capital, (Gafford from Dallas or JV from Sacramento come to mind) but I just don't see that trade out there.

[CFAN38]

I would cry tears of joy if we were able to execute the first trade mentioned. If we can complete the deal before 6/29 we can then cut Duncan Robinson; only $9.8 of his $19.8 million dollar salary is guaranteed.

Sacramento would have to shed a little more salary to make this a valid deal. So we'd also have to take Terrence Davis's 2.5 mil contract(I assume the Kings don't care if he goes)

That trade alone would save us $22 million and cost us no draft capital. I'd probably even do that deal if we had to add 28 to the pot.

That in conjunction with the Hauser trade would save us $32 million. This puts us about $10 million shy of the apron and allows us to be flexible in terms of how we deal with Porzingis, Kornet and Horford.

Obviously trading Hauser and Holiday and receiving no players in return leaves us pretty barren in terms of roster with just three proven NBA rotation players that we can actually expect to play most of the games. But I think the added flexibility without having to shell out future picks makes this a terrific option anyway.

In an ideal Holiday trade we'd be able to get a rotation level big back AND shed cash AND not supply draft capital, (Gafford from Dallas or JV from Sacramento come to mind) but I just don't see that trade out there.

Good call with the Robinson ETO that might mean the Cs do include the #28 and maybe thats why we have seen so few 1st round players linked to Cs workouts?

[liam]

Trading Holiday for Duncan Robinson? It really is the silly season...

[liam]

I would cry tears of joy if we were able to execute the first trade mentioned. If we can complete the deal before 6/29 we can then cut Duncan Robinson; only $9.8 of his $19.8 million dollar salary is guaranteed.

Sacramento would have to shed a little more salary to make this a valid deal. So we'd also have to take Terrence Davis's 2.5 mil contract(I assume the Kings don't care if he goes)

That trade alone would save us $22 million and cost us no draft capital. I'd probably even do that deal if we had to add 28 to the pot.

That in conjunction with the Hauser trade would save us $32 million. This puts us about $10 million shy of the apron and allows us to be flexible in terms of how we deal with Porzingis, Kornet and Horford.

Obviously trading Hauser and Holiday and receiving no players in return leaves us pretty barren in terms of roster with just three proven NBA rotation players that we can actually expect to play most of the games. But I think the added flexibility without having to shell out future picks makes this a terrific option anyway.

In an ideal Holiday trade we'd be able to get a rotation level big back AND shed cash AND not supply draft capital, (Gafford from Dallas or JV from Sacramento come to mind) but I just don't see that trade out there.

Good call with the Robinson ETO that might mean the Cs do include the #28 and maybe thats why we have seen so few 1st round players linked to Cs workouts?

So dump Jrue and pay with a pick for nothing?

[SparzWizard]

I don't want Bradley Beal and that NTC contract here. Only Beal himself can agree to any trades.

[mobilija]

I don't want Bradley Beal and that NTC contract here. Only Beal himself can agree to any trades.

The OP was suggesting that if Beal got bought out he would sign on the cheap. It?s a fun idea.

[Who]

Trades,

I have grown to dislike guessing at trades because some of these returns just dont make sense. I have tried to figure out a couple simple ones.

A. Celtics get D Robinson
    Heat get Derozan
    Kings get Holiday

At the bottom of a Miami Herald article I was reading yesterday and linked to in the Durant thread, they had a final point on rumours involving two players - DeRozan & Kuminga - that despite all the rumours linking Miami to them the Heat are not actually pursuing them. Or at least have not been up until this point. Sounds like media speculation linking Miami to them rather than them being actual targets of the Heat.

[Ilikesports17]

I would cry tears of joy if we were able to execute the first trade mentioned. If we can complete the deal before 6/29 we can then cut Duncan Robinson; only $9.8 of his $19.8 million dollar salary is guaranteed.

Sacramento would have to shed a little more salary to make this a valid deal. So we'd also have to take Terrence Davis's 2.5 mil contract(I assume the Kings don't care if he goes)

That trade alone would save us $22 million and cost us no draft capital. I'd probably even do that deal if we had to add 28 to the pot.

That in conjunction with the Hauser trade would save us $32 million. This puts us about $10 million shy of the apron and allows us to be flexible in terms of how we deal with Porzingis, Kornet and Horford.

Obviously trading Hauser and Holiday and receiving no players in return leaves us pretty barren in terms of roster with just three proven NBA rotation players that we can actually expect to play most of the games. But I think the added flexibility without having to shell out future picks makes this a terrific option anyway.

In an ideal Holiday trade we'd be able to get a rotation level big back AND shed cash AND not supply draft capital, (Gafford from Dallas or JV from Sacramento come to mind) but I just don't see that trade out there.

Good call with the Robinson ETO that might mean the Cs do include the #28 and maybe thats why we have seen so few 1st round players linked to Cs workouts?

So dump Jrue and pay with a pick for nothing?

Yes. Jrue being a negative asset seems pretty black and white to me and we need to get under the 2nd apron.