Offseason Thread

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Guard Cole Anthony has agreed to a contract buyout with the Memphis Grizzlies and plans to sign with the Milwaukee Bucks after he clears waivers, sources told ESPN on Saturday night.

If Cole Anthony signs with Milwaukee, he will be the 3rd stringer PG behind Ryan Rollins and Kevin Porter Jr.

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Guard Cole Anthony has agreed to a contract buyout with the Memphis Grizzlies and plans to sign with the Milwaukee Bucks after he clears waivers, sources told ESPN on Saturday night.

If Cole Anthony signs with Milwaukee, he will be the 3rd stringer PG behind Ryan Rollins and Kevin Porter Jr.

You must like Rollins and Porter Jr. more than I do.

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Guard Cole Anthony has agreed to a contract buyout with the Memphis Grizzlies and plans to sign with the Milwaukee Bucks after he clears waivers, sources told ESPN on Saturday night.

If Cole Anthony signs with Milwaukee, he will be the 3rd stringer PG behind Ryan Rollins and Kevin Porter Jr.

You must like Rollins and Porter Jr. more than I do.

Or Cole Anthony less ...

Kevin Porter Jr played well for Milwaukee last season. I was surprised. I thought he was a write-off. Didn't play well for LAC or any of his other stops. But it worked in Milwaukee. Similar role as Cole Anthony. Porter Jr bigger and less of a defensive liability.

Ryan Rollins is more solid. Cole Anthony more explosive but also more inconsistent. Ryan Rollins plays decent defense. Anthony one of the worst defensive PGs in the league. Rollins a steady low volume shot maker. Anthony more of a creator but he doesn't deliver consistently enough to trust him.

Cole Anthony had a good season 3 years ago but the last 2 have been bad. I don't think he is good enough to be primary backup PG. I think 3rd string is his actual level. He has been disappointing for Orlando. A team desperate for shot creation and bench scoring. It was an ideal situation for him to go his own number and be the scoring guard that he is. He failed. Repeatedly.

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Guard Cole Anthony has agreed to a contract buyout with the Memphis Grizzlies and plans to sign with the Milwaukee Bucks after he clears waivers, sources told ESPN on Saturday night.

If Cole Anthony signs with Milwaukee, he will be the 3rd stringer PG behind Ryan Rollins and Kevin Porter Jr.

You must like Rollins and Porter Jr. more than I do.

Or Cole Anthony less ...

Kevin Porter Jr played well for Milwaukee last season. I was surprised. I thought he was a write-off. Didn't play well for LAC or any of his other stops. But it worked in Milwaukee. Similar role as Cole Anthony. Porter Jr bigger and less of a defensive liability.

Ryan Rollins is more solid. Cole Anthony more explosive but also more inconsistent. Ryan Rollins plays decent defense. Anthony one of the worst defensive PGs in the league. Rollins a steady low volume shot maker. Anthony more of a creator but he doesn't deliver consistently enough to trust him.

Cole Anthony had a good season 3 years ago but the last 2 have been bad. I don't think he is good enough to be primary backup PG. I think 3rd string is his actual level. He has been disappointing for Orlando. A team desperate for shot creation and bench scoring. It was an ideal situation for him to go his own number and be the scoring guard that he is. He failed. Repeatedly.

You may be right about their depth chart, but I think all three are third string point guards.

He makes sense for a team that desperately needs guard production. I know a lot of people think they've done well this off-season, but I think all 6 of their top guards are 3rd stringers.

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I remain a bit confused as to why Simons isn?t flat out considered more valuable than Jrue.  Is it about the remaining time and money on their contracts?  I?d rather Simons on an expiring than three more years of Jrue and 130M.  But just for pure skill, Simons is a better player.  That?s of course an opinion based on the belief that Jrue took a downturn in 2024-25 and I expect it to continue in the same direction in the coming years.  Not only did he decline offensively but he wasn?t as effective defensively either. Obviously he?s still more talented than Simons defensively and in terms of leadership - but the 26 year old is a very good offensive guard.  I didn?t see much of him over the years but the few games I saw him I thought he was pretty impressive. Though I have to admit that I?m more readily aware of offensive talent than defensive talent. He can shoot, pass, create.  I?m surprised there isn?t a market for him now and will be more surprised if there isn?t one at the deadline.  And I would not be surprised if some here won?t want to give him up when they picture adding JT to the existing lineup. 

I?m wrong frequently so it won?t surprise me if I?m wrong again - but I expect Simons will look like a Jrue upgrade next year.

They remind me of the 2011 Dallas Mavericks.

Anfernee Simons = Jason Terry
Jrue Holiday = Jason Kidd

Jrue / Kidd being the ultimate glue guy / do all the little things in every phase of the game. A Simons / J Terry being a very talented offensive player / dodgy defender.

People can debate which guy was more valuable to the 2011 Mavs. I would go with Kidd myself but I believe most people would chose Jason Terry over Kidd. Terry was certainly the 2nd best scorer on the team behind Dirk.

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I remain a bit confused as to why Simons isn?t flat out considered more valuable than Jrue.  Is it about the remaining time and money on their contracts?  I?d rather Simons on an expiring than three more years of Jrue and 130M.  But just for pure skill, Simons is a better player.  That?s of course an opinion based on the belief that Jrue took a downturn in 2024-25 and I expect it to continue in the same direction in the coming years.  Not only did he decline offensively but he wasn?t as effective defensively either. Obviously he?s still more talented than Simons defensively and in terms of leadership - but the 26 year old is a very good offensive guard.  I didn?t see much of him over the years but the few games I saw him I thought he was pretty impressive. Though I have to admit that I?m more readily aware of offensive talent than defensive talent. He can shoot, pass, create.  I?m surprised there isn?t a market for him now and will be more surprised if there isn?t one at the deadline.  And I would not be surprised if some here won?t want to give him up when they picture adding JT to the existing lineup. 

I?m wrong frequently so it won?t surprise me if I?m wrong again - but I expect Simons will look like a Jrue upgrade next year.

They remind me of the 2011 Dallas Mavericks.

Anfernee Simons = Jason Terry
Jrue Holiday = Jason Kidd

Jrue / Kidd being the ultimate glue guy / do all the little things in every phase of the game. A Simons / J Terry being a very talented offensive player / dodgy defender.

People can debate which guy was more valuable to the 2011 Mavs. I would go with Kidd myself but I believe most people would chose Jason Terry over Kidd. Terry was certainly the 2nd best scorer on the team behind Dirk.

2-way players are more valuable.  Come playoff time those good offense, poor defense player will get hunted especially small guards.  Players like Simons need to be 1st or 2nd option offensively to make up for their poor defense and the other 4 players need to good defenders.   

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I remain a bit confused as to why Simons isn?t flat out considered more valuable than Jrue.  Is it about the remaining time and money on their contracts?  I?d rather Simons on an expiring than three more years of Jrue and 130M.  But just for pure skill, Simons is a better player.  That?s of course an opinion based on the belief that Jrue took a downturn in 2024-25 and I expect it to continue in the same direction in the coming years.  Not only did he decline offensively but he wasn?t as effective defensively either. Obviously he?s still more talented than Simons defensively and in terms of leadership - but the 26 year old is a very good offensive guard.  I didn?t see much of him over the years but the few games I saw him I thought he was pretty impressive. Though I have to admit that I?m more readily aware of offensive talent than defensive talent. He can shoot, pass, create.  I?m surprised there isn?t a market for him now and will be more surprised if there isn?t one at the deadline.  And I would not be surprised if some here won?t want to give him up when they picture adding JT to the existing lineup. 

I?m wrong frequently so it won?t surprise me if I?m wrong again - but I expect Simons will look like a Jrue upgrade next year.

They remind me of the 2011 Dallas Mavericks.

Anfernee Simons = Jason Terry
Jrue Holiday = Jason Kidd

Jrue / Kidd being the ultimate glue guy / do all the little things in every phase of the game. A Simons / J Terry being a very talented offensive player / dodgy defender.

People can debate which guy was more valuable to the 2011 Mavs. I would go with Kidd myself but I believe most people would chose Jason Terry over Kidd. Terry was certainly the 2nd best scorer on the team behind Dirk.

2-way players are more valuable.  Come playoff time those good offense, poor defense player will get hunted especially small guards.  Players like Simons need to be 1st or 2nd option offensively to make up for their poor defense and the other 4 players need to good defenders.

I don?t think there is any debate that two way players are more valuable than one way players.  The specific question here is whether two-way Jrue at 35 (and up) is of more value than one-way Anfernee at 26.   Can probably make the argument either way but I would suggest it isn?t hands down one or the other.  My initial point was just confusion as to why Simons doesn?t have more value than Jrue given that Jrue is 35 after a decline year with 3 years and 130+ million left on his contract.

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My initial point was just confusion as to why Simons doesn?t have more value than Jrue given that Jrue is 35 after a decline year with 3 years and 130+ million left on his contract.

More value = ??

Meaning trade value or on-court value?