Offseason Thread

[Who]

These next group of FAs are taking their sweet dang time picking new teams.

I understand the restricted free agents have a harder negotiation but what is with these low contract old timers and their inability to make a dang decision.

[Neurotic Guy]

These next group of FAs are taking their sweet dang time picking new teams.

I understand the restricted free agents have a harder negotiation but what is with these low contract old timers and their inability to make a dang decision.

What do you think is going on with Lillard?  Is there really mutual interest? If so, what?s the hold up?  As each day passes I feel it?s less likely to happen. 

[Who]

These next group of FAs are taking their sweet dang time picking new teams.

I understand the restricted free agents have a harder negotiation but what is with these low contract old timers and their inability to make a dang decision.

What do you think is going on with Lillard?  Is there really mutual interest? If so, what?s the hold up?  As each day passes I feel it?s less likely to happen.

I doubt he signs any time soon.

I don't put much stock in any of the rumours around Lillard. It feels more like hopeful teams reaching out than anything concrete.

If I was Lillard, I wouldn't sign with anyone until next summer after I had fully healed. There is little to nothing to gain by signing now + more to lose ... by signing for someone this summer. He will have more options in 12 months time. Better contract options where he can make more money. More teams with cap space. More teams with full MLE. Better view of which team will compete in 2026-27 than he does now. He will know who has a starting job for him and who doesn't.

[slightly biased bias fan]

Devin Booker is signing a max extension with the Suns. 2 years, $150M.

Booker has three seasons left on the four year, $224 supermax extension he agreed to in 2022, putting pen to paper on July 6. In total, Booker will be paid $316 million over the next five years.

[Neurotic Guy]

Devin Booker is signing a max extension with the Suns. 2 years, $150M.

Booker has three seasons left on the four year, $224 supermax extension he agreed to in 2022, putting pen to paper on July 6. In total, Booker will be paid $316 million over the next five years.

JB a bargain?  I guess the 75M per year doesn?t kick in for a few years, but wow - that?s a shocking number, and he?ll be in the wrong side of 30 when the extension kicks in. Exactly the same age as JB (6 days apart) - I?d rather have Jaylen.

[tonydelk]

Devin Booker is signing a max extension with the Suns. 2 years, $150M.

Booker has three seasons left on the four year, $224 supermax extension he agreed to in 2022, putting pen to paper on July 6. In total, Booker will be paid $316 million over the next five years.

JB a bargain?  I guess the 75M per year doesn?t kick in for a few years, but wow - that?s a shocking number, and he?ll be in the wrong side of 30 when the extension kicks in. Exactly the same age as JB (6 days apart) - I?d rather have Jaylen.

The new CBA is such shi*.  The max salaries are rising faster then the cap.  70m+ per year contracts.  1 player taking up that much of a teams cap space and these aprons. 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Devin Booker is signing a max extension with the Suns. 2 years, $150M.

Booker has three seasons left on the four year, $224 supermax extension he agreed to in 2022, putting pen to paper on July 6. In total, Booker will be paid $316 million over the next five years.

I predict this will be considered one of the worst contracts in the league in a few years. Maybe not quite to the Beal level, but similar.

[radiohead]

Devin Booker is signing a max extension with the Suns. 2 years, $150M.

Booker has three seasons left on the four year, $224 supermax extension he agreed to in 2022, putting pen to paper on July 6. In total, Booker will be paid $316 million over the next five years.

JB a bargain?  I guess the 75M per year doesn?t kick in for a few years, but wow - that?s a shocking number, and he?ll be in the wrong side of 30 when the extension kicks in. Exactly the same age as JB (6 days apart) - I?d rather have Jaylen.

The new CBA is such shi*.  The max salaries are rising faster then the cap.  70m+ per year contracts.  1 player taking up that much of a teams cap space and these aprons.

These salaries are getting out of hand!

[Celtics2021]

Devin Booker is signing a max extension with the Suns. 2 years, $150M.

Booker has three seasons left on the four year, $224 supermax extension he agreed to in 2022, putting pen to paper on July 6. In total, Booker will be paid $316 million over the next five years.

JB a bargain?  I guess the 75M per year doesn?t kick in for a few years, but wow - that?s a shocking number, and he?ll be in the wrong side of 30 when the extension kicks in. Exactly the same age as JB (6 days apart) - I?d rather have Jaylen.

I wouldn?t sign Booker to that contract, but those salaries are agent-speak.  He will be getting roughly $133 million.  The extra $17 million in the reported number is from a 15% trade kicker.  Further, if Booker were traded, he is unlikely to see much, if any, of that trade kicker.  Booker?s ultimate salaries will likely depend on the cap in four year?s time, but will probably around $64 and $69 million.

[Birdman]

Devin Booker is signing a max extension with the Suns. 2 years, $150M.

Booker has three seasons left on the four year, $224 supermax extension he agreed to in 2022, putting pen to paper on July 6. In total, Booker will be paid $316 million over the next five years.

JB a bargain?  I guess the 75M per year doesn?t kick in for a few years, but wow - that?s a shocking number, and he?ll be in the wrong side of 30 when the extension kicks in. Exactly the same age as JB (6 days apart) - I?d rather have Jaylen.

The new CBA is such shi*.  The max salaries are rising faster then the cap.  70m+ per year contracts.  1 player taking up that much of a teams cap space and these aprons.

Players wanting max money is killing teams with cap space & apron?u going see some teams not going to give huge contracts especially to players over 32-33 years old, no way I would like Phoenix did to Beal & Milwaukee did to Lillard..lot of players just want money instead of winning a championship

[Who]

Devin Booker is signing a max extension with the Suns. 2 years, $150M.

Booker has three seasons left on the four year, $224 supermax extension he agreed to in 2022, putting pen to paper on July 6. In total, Booker will be paid $316 million over the next five years.

JB a bargain?  I guess the 75M per year doesn?t kick in for a few years, but wow - that?s a shocking number, and he?ll be in the wrong side of 30 when the extension kicks in. Exactly the same age as JB (6 days apart) - I?d rather have Jaylen.

The new CBA is such shi*.  The max salaries are rising faster then the cap.  70m+ per year contracts.  1 player taking up that much of a teams cap space and these aprons.

Players wanting max money is killing teams with cap space & apron?u going see some teams not going to give huge contracts especially to players over 32-33 years old, no way I would like Phoenix did to Beal & Milwaukee did to Lillard..lot of players just want money instead of winning a championship

They could always put rules on the length of contracts for players over a certain age. I think there is something like that already for over 35s but I forget what it was. It is not too restrictive.

You could more restrictive that no contract lasts beyond 3 years once you turn 30. And then no contract lasts beyond 2 years once you turn 33-35 years of age. Protect teams from aging players falling off a cliff.

[A Future of Stevens]

Devin Booker is signing a max extension with the Suns. 2 years, $150M.

Booker has three seasons left on the four year, $224 supermax extension he agreed to in 2022, putting pen to paper on July 6. In total, Booker will be paid $316 million over the next five years.

JB a bargain?  I guess the 75M per year doesn?t kick in for a few years, but wow - that?s a shocking number, and he?ll be in the wrong side of 30 when the extension kicks in. Exactly the same age as JB (6 days apart) - I?d rather have Jaylen.

I was looking at Sportrac and they have the cap hits for the extension as 64 and 69 million for years 28-30. If that's accurate, its actually in line with the end of Brown's contract for the first year.

Interestingly, Brown's % of the cap is 34% in 25-26 but decreases to 31.5% by 28-29. I think we are just at the point where you pay your stars and worry about the cap later. The cap is outpacing max extensions according to sportrac.

[Vermont Green]

I think someone explained that the Booker deal when stated as being $153M for 2 years is including the maximum possible salary (which includes a trade kicker).  The base salary is 2 years added for about $133M, if my math is right (and based on Spotrac numbers).

For the next 4 years, Booker and Brown will make about the same, about $235M for Booker and about $236M for Brown.  Booker will now have one more season at about $69M in 2029-30 but Brown will be a UFA, if not otherwise extended before then.

As to value, this is just what guys like this are going to get paid.  There are huge risks for the teams, if these guys get injured or decline, you have a bunch of cap tied up in them.  Just the cost of doing business in the NBA.

[Who]

I think someone explained that the Booker deal when stated as being $153M for 2 years is including the maximum possible salary (which includes a trade kicker).  The base salary is 2 years added for about $133M, if my math is right (and based on Spotrac numbers).

For the next 4 years, Booker and Brown will make about the same, about $235M for Booker and about $236M for Brown.  Booker will now have one more season at about $69M in 2029-30 but Brown will be a UFA, if not otherwise extended before then.

As to value, this is just what guys like this are going to get paid.  There are huge risks for the teams, if these guys get injured or decline, you have a bunch of cap tied up in them.  Just the cost of doing business in the NBA.

So Jaylen will 32 going on 33 by the start of that regular season when he is up for his next contract. Not ideal territory to have to give a guy a long term extension. Probably take him up 36-37 years old.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I think someone explained that the Booker deal when stated as being $153M for 2 years is including the maximum possible salary (which includes a trade kicker).  The base salary is 2 years added for about $133M, if my math is right (and based on Spotrac numbers).

For the next 4 years, Booker and Brown will make about the same, about $235M for Booker and about $236M for Brown.  Booker will now have one more season at about $69M in 2029-30 but Brown will be a UFA, if not otherwise extended before then.

As to value, this is just what guys like this are going to get paid.  There are huge risks for the teams, if these guys get injured or decline, you have a bunch of cap tied up in them.  Just the cost of doing business in the NBA.

This makes more sense. I'm probably in the minority here, but I'd take Brown over Booker. Booker has a little more offense, but he's a very average to below average defender in my opinion. He has superstar status, but isn't quite there on offense and isn't close on defense.

I've always argued Zach Lavine was the same player in a worse situation. I really wish his last contract he signed was a better value, because smart teams would have grabbed him and he could have shown that. As it is, we have to wait a couple more seasons to see it.