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With Adams getting extended and Bame being traded to Magic, figured it was time to create the offseason thread.
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Re: Offseason Thread
« Reply #1 on: Today at 11:47:27 AM »

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Would not have guessed he had this much value

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BREAKING: The Memphis Grizzlies are trading Desmond Bane to the Orlando Magic for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cole Anthony, four unprotected first-round picks and one first-round pick swap, sources tell ESPN.

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1934266665035841856?s=46

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4 First Round, unprotected picks for Bane is how a GM gets fired and a team goes into purgatory for a decade. Nets Part 2.

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These are the kinds of moves you reserve for a Giannis-type talent. Mikal Bridges and Bane? Idk
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Would not have guessed he had this much value

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BREAKING: The Memphis Grizzlies are trading Desmond Bane to the Orlando Magic for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cole Anthony, four unprotected first-round picks and one first-round pick swap, sources tell ESPN.

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1934266665035841856?s=46

This must mean that Ja is on the move too?

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Would not have guessed he had this much value

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BREAKING: The Memphis Grizzlies are trading Desmond Bane to the Orlando Magic for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cole Anthony, four unprotected first-round picks and one first-round pick swap, sources tell ESPN.

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1934266665035841856?s=46

That is a great trade for Orlando.

I don't see the 4 1st round picks as excessive because they are not giving up any talent in the deal. KCP is a negative asset after the season he just had while on the contract he is on. He would have cost 1-2 firsts just to dump him. Neither KCP or C Anthony are significant parts of the team. They just picked up a near All-Star caliber SG without giving up any of their key players.

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Orlando

G: Suggs, C Joseph
G: D Bane, G Harris
F: F Wagner, A Black
F: Banchero, J Isaac, T Da Silva
C: W Carter Jr, Mo Wagner, G Bitadze

Others: Jett Howard, C Houstan

That team is going to be a top 4-5 seed in the East next year.

I'd love to see them upgrade the offensive capabilities of the bench players on the perimeter. C Joseph, G Harris, A Black are too limited as a trio. You can carry one of those guys. Not all 3.

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BREAKING: The Memphis Grizzlies are trading Desmond Bane to the Orlando Magic for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cole Anthony, four unprotected first-round picks and one first-round pick swap, sources tell ESPN.

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1934266665035841856?s=46

Good thing the Celtics traded Memphis that pick🙄

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BREAKING: The Memphis Grizzlies are trading Desmond Bane to the Orlando Magic for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cole Anthony, four unprotected first-round picks and one first-round pick swap, sources tell ESPN.

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1934266665035841856?s=46

That is a great trade for Orlando.

I don't see the 4 1st round picks as excessive because they are not giving up any talent in the deal. KCP is a negative asset after the season he just had while on the contract he is on. He would have cost 1-2 firsts just to dump him. Neither KCP or C Anthony are significant parts of the team. They just picked up a near All-Star caliber SG without giving up any of their key players.
I agree.  Chances are none of the picks end up in the lottery and the pick swap doesn't happen.  They are getting a near All-Star SG who is a great volume 3pt shooter which they dearly need and he's on a reasonable contract. 

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BREAKING: The Memphis Grizzlies are trading Desmond Bane to the Orlando Magic for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Cole Anthony, four unprotected first-round picks and one first-round pick swap, sources tell ESPN.

https://x.com/shamscharania/status/1934266665035841856?s=46

Good thing the Celtics traded Memphis that pick🙄

My thoughts exactly.

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« Reply #10 on: Today at 12:41:05 PM »

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East Rankings

* Top Teams = Indiana, Cleveland
* 2nd Tier Teams = Orlando, New York, maybe Philly
* Rest of Playoffs = Boston, Milwaukee, Detroit, Atlanta, Chicago or Toronto
* Lottery = Miami, Charlotte, Brooklyn, Washington

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Orlando

G: Suggs, C Joseph
G: D Bane, G Harris
F: F Wagner, A Black
F: Banchero, J Isaac, T Da Silva
C: W Carter Jr, Mo Wagner, G Bitadze

Others: Jett Howard, C Houstan

That team is going to be a top 4-5 seed in the East next year.

I'd love to see them upgrade the offensive capabilities of the bench players on the perimeter. C Joseph, G Harris, A Black are too limited as a trio. You can carry one of those guys. Not all 3.
I don't see 3 or 4 teams being better than them in the East next season.  Assuming health, I think they'll make a big jump. 

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West Rankings

* Top Teams = OKC, Dallas
* 2nd Tier = Denver, LA Clippers, Minnesota, Golden State
* Rest of Playoffs = LA Lakers, Houston, San Antonio, Memphis
* Decent but ouside playoffs = Phoenix, Sacramento, New Orleans, Portland
* High lotto = Utah

Hmm ... I thought Memphis would be outside the top 10 after that D Bane trade. I think Memphis just about hang in there. Phoenix look the main threat but it also looks like they will wreck their team by trading Durant and get much worse.

Also interesting that the West has only 1 truly bad team in Utah. The rest of the teams that are outside the playoffs are not far away from making a playoff push.

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An overpay by Orlando, but I do like the fit.  I guess Memphis just thought the value was too good to pass up, because I don't know why they would be in 'sell' mode otherwise - especially since their court spacing isn't in a good place without Bane either.

Now he has to keep being a 40% three-point shooter after he puts on the Orlando uniform, lol.  Because it's not for lack of trying that the Magic can't shoot.  They've brought in good shooters.  That's what KCP was supposed to be.  I wonder if that physical high-effort defense saps those legs enough to make good shooters underperform. 
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Now he has to keep being a 40% three-point shooter after he puts on the Orlando uniform, lol.  Because it's not for lack of trying that the Magic can't shoot.  They've brought in good shooters.  That's what KCP was supposed to be.  I wonder if that physical high-effort defense saps those legs enough to make good shooters underperform.

I think the bigger problem hurting their 3PT shooting is their offense. The lack of high quality playmaking / ball movement.

Too much iso-ball by F Wagner and Banchero. Everything is 25 feet out from the basket with 5 defenders in between the ball and the basket.

Both those guys are bully ball / bulldozers. Neither has great playmaking. Neither has high level tricky ball-handling or high level quickness. They do not get inside the defense and collapse the defense as well as other elite dribble penetrators do. They are easier to defend. And they take a lot of the shot clock to do their work.

This is where Bane won't help them. What they needed most of all wasn't a 3 point shooter but more creative playmaking / quick drivers / ball movement. Bane is not that. He is another guy who is not that good of a one-on-one player.

So Orlando will still have significant offensive issues even with Bane.

Orlando also has limitations in their center position. A lack of high quality passing there. A pair of average passers in W Carter Jr and Mo Wagner. A below average passer in Goga. Which makes it hard for them to get passes inside the defense (inside the three point line). Why they are so reliant on dribble penetration (despite not being great at it). Wendell is an inconsistent outside shot maker. Mo Wager is a good outside shooter. Goga is a dunker.

So it will still be clunky. It will still be easy to defend. It still won't be a high level offense. I would be surprised if it is even an above average offense. I would expect closer to the middle. An average offense.

But an average offense with one of the league's best defenses is still a potent combination. 2004 Pistons won a title with that.