Rumor: Bucks Looking At Lottery Talent

[tazzmaniac]

What about the Lakers?  What if they offered Luka for Giannis?  The trade works with Vincent as filler.  Should the Lakes make the offer?  Should the Bucks accept?

[Moranis]

What about the Pacers (if they lose to the Thunder)

Giannis for Nembhard, Mathurin, Nesmith, Toppin, Sheppard, 23, and a slew of future 1st's

Milwaukee doesn't get a high-level prospect, but they would still be competitive, would replenish their draft picks, and shave a bit of salary (they could also take 1 less player back and save a lot more salary). 

Pacers would then have Giannis, Haliburton, Siakam, McConnell, Walker, and Bradley and they could bring back Turner and a few other lesser players for depth and familiarity.  Even with limited depth, they'd cakewalk through the East if they were healthy come playoff time.

[Who]

What about the Pacers (if they lose to the Thunder)

Giannis for Nembhard, Mathurin, Nesmith, Toppin, Sheppard, 23, and a slew of future 1st's

Milwaukee doesn't get a high-level prospect, but they would still be competitive, would replenish their draft picks, and shave a bit of salary (they could also take 1 less player back and save a lot more salary). 

Pacers would then have Giannis, Haliburton, Siakam, McConnell, Walker, and Bradley and they could bring back Turner and a few other lesser players for depth and familiarity.  Even with limited depth, they'd cakewalk through the East if they were healthy come playoff time.

Not enough. They gotta get Siakam in the deal.

Siakam and Mathurin gotta be in the deal. Plus a bunch of firsts. That is the core of the trade.

[Moranis]

What about the Pacers (if they lose to the Thunder)

Giannis for Nembhard, Mathurin, Nesmith, Toppin, Sheppard, 23, and a slew of future 1st's

Milwaukee doesn't get a high-level prospect, but they would still be competitive, would replenish their draft picks, and shave a bit of salary (they could also take 1 less player back and save a lot more salary). 

Pacers would then have Giannis, Haliburton, Siakam, McConnell, Walker, and Bradley and they could bring back Turner and a few other lesser players for depth and familiarity.  Even with limited depth, they'd cakewalk through the East if they were healthy come playoff time.

Not enough. They gotta get Siakam in the deal.

He is such a big salary that it would eliminate most of the other players.  I think I'd rather have 5 lesser players than 1 better player that isn't good enough to be a #1.  Younger, more flexibility, and more overall production at a cheaper price. 

[Who]

Version A

Cleveland trade: D Garland & J Allen
Milwaukee trade: Giannis & Connaughton

Cleveland lineup

G: Donovan Mitchell, Ty Jerome
G: M Strus, S Merrill
F: Okoro, DeAndre Hunter
F: Giannis, Dean Wade
C: Evan Mobley

Milwaukee Lineup

G: D Garland
G: AJ Green
F: K Kuzma
F: B Portis
C: J Allen

Use Dame Lillard as a trade chip once he returns from injury.

I like the Garland, Portis, J Allen. The rest of the roster looks way too weak though. Not enough talent on the wings.

Version B

Cleveland Trade: Evan Mobley
Milwaukee Trade: Giannis

Cavs Roster

G: D Garland
G: D Mitchell
F: DeAndre Hunter
F: Giannis
C: J Allen

Bucks Roster

G: (Lillard)
G: AJ Green
F: Kuzma
F: Bobby Portis
C: Evan Mobley

Mobley gives them more of a franchise star to build around than the Garland + J Allen package.

[Who]

Memphis trade: Ja Morant & Zach Edey
Milwaukee trade: Giannis

Memphis Roster

G: (yikes), S Pippen Jr
G: D Bane
F: J Wells
F: JJJ, Aldama
C: Giannis, B Clarke

Need to get a quality PG to make that work. I like the big man rotation with three versatile 7 footers in Giannis, JJJ, Aldama. Then a short athletic rim runner in B Clarke. D Bane is a huge asset at SG. The PG and SF positions are problem areas. The lack of quality depth on the wing is another problem area.

Gets Memphis a fresh start away from Morant.

Maybe pickup D Schroder in FA as their new starting PG. That would be a good gig for him.

Bucks Roster

G: Morant
G: AJ Green
F: Kuzma
F: B Portis
C: Z Edey

Gives Milwaukee a franchise star in Morant that they can build around long term. Trade Lillard for some pieces to help him. Zach Edey is their center for the future. Trade B Lopez for pieces. B Portis at PF. Kuzma at SF. Two forwards, a center, a star PG. That is a start.

[tazzmaniac]

Memphis trade: Ja Morant & Zach Edey
Milwaukee trade: Giannis

Memphis Roster

G: (yikes), S Pippen Jr
G: D Bane
F: J Wells
F: JJJ, Aldama
C: Giannis, B Clarke

Need to get a quality PG to make that work. I like the big man rotation with three versatile 7 footers in Giannis, JJJ, Aldama. Then a short athletic rim runner in B Clarke. D Bane is a huge asset at SG. The PG and SF positions are problem areas. The lack of quality depth on the wing is another problem area.

Gets Memphis a fresh start away from Morant.

Maybe pickup D Schroder in FA as their new starting PG. That would be a good gig for him.

Bucks Roster

G: Morant
G: AJ Green
F: Kuzma
F: B Portis
C: Z Edey

Gives Milwaukee a franchise star in Morant that they can build around long term. Trade Lillard for some pieces to help him. Zach Edey is their center for the future. Trade B Lopez for pieces. B Portis at PF. Kuzma at SF. Two forwards, a center, a star PG. That is a start.

Milwaukee better be getting some picks because that trade ain't close.  Plus does Milwaukee want to deal with Morant's antics. 

[greenhead85]

Milwaukee has a big chance of landing Cooper Flagg by trading Giannis while Dallas gets to  keep AD, Kyrie and Klay.

[CFAN38]

Listening to Windy on an ESPN segment. He says Milwaukee do not control any of their 1st round picks for the next 5 years.

So they are less interested in full rebuilding trades and will want to stay competitive in the interim. More value in win-now assets than win-later assets.

Also said New Orleans has control of those picks so they have an advantage in making any type of rebuilding trade for Giannis. Zion, lotto pick, future Bucks picks. Lots of assets. Trey Murphy III. Herbert Jones. Jordan Hawkins. Lots of assets.

I think this is the most interesting part of any potential Giannis move. The trade either has to net the Bucks good enough talent to keep them relevant in the east or the Pelicans need to be paid a kings ransom to return those picks to the Bucks.

[kraidstar]

Listening to Windy on an ESPN segment. He says Milwaukee do not control any of their 1st round picks for the next 5 years.

So they are less interested in full rebuilding trades and will want to stay competitive in the interim. More value in win-now assets than win-later assets.

Also said New Orleans has control of those picks so they have an advantage in making any type of rebuilding trade for Giannis. Zion, lotto pick, future Bucks picks. Lots of assets. Trey Murphy III. Herbert Jones. Jordan Hawkins. Lots of assets.

I posted about this last month. New Orleans (and Portland) own Mikwaukees picks going forward so the Bucks would be well-served by trading with them to get their picks back.

The problem is that the Pelicans roster is garbage and the Blazers are young. Does Giannis want to go there?

[Moranis]

Listening to Windy on an ESPN segment. He says Milwaukee do not control any of their 1st round picks for the next 5 years.

So they are less interested in full rebuilding trades and will want to stay competitive in the interim. More value in win-now assets than win-later assets.

Also said New Orleans has control of those picks so they have an advantage in making any type of rebuilding trade for Giannis. Zion, lotto pick, future Bucks picks. Lots of assets. Trey Murphy III. Herbert Jones. Jordan Hawkins. Lots of assets.

I posted about this last month. New Orleans (and Portland) own Mikwaukees picks going forward so the Bucks would be well-served by trading with them to get their picks back.

The problem is that the Pelicans roster is garbage and the Blazers are young. Does Giannis want to go there?

3 team
Cleveland - Giannis
New Orleans - Garland, Tyson
Milwaukee - Allen, Missi, McCollum, remove 26 swap rights, return 27 1st

Not sure it is enough for Bucks, but it would let them tank next year and year after

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Listening to Windy on an ESPN segment. He says Milwaukee do not control any of their 1st round picks for the next 5 years.

So they are less interested in full rebuilding trades and will want to stay competitive in the interim. More value in win-now assets than win-later assets.

Also said New Orleans has control of those picks so they have an advantage in making any type of rebuilding trade for Giannis. Zion, lotto pick, future Bucks picks. Lots of assets. Trey Murphy III. Herbert Jones. Jordan Hawkins. Lots of assets.

I posted about this last month. New Orleans (and Portland) own Mikwaukees picks going forward so the Bucks would be well-served by trading with them to get their picks back.

The problem is that the Pelicans roster is garbage and the Blazers are young. Does Giannis want to go there?

3 team
Cleveland - Giannis
New Orleans - Garland, Tyson
Milwaukee - Allen, Missi, McCollum, remove 26 swap rights, return 27 1st

Not sure it is enough for Bucks, but it would let them tank next year and year after

One starter in his prime, one injury-prone starter past his prime, 1 meh prospect, and two firsts for Giannis?

The Celtics will send you Derrick White, Kristaps Porzingis, Baylor Scheierman, and three first round picks to beat that offer by one first rounder.

[keevsnick]

Listening to Windy on an ESPN segment. He says Milwaukee do not control any of their 1st round picks for the next 5 years.

So they are less interested in full rebuilding trades and will want to stay competitive in the interim. More value in win-now assets than win-later assets.

Also said New Orleans has control of those picks so they have an advantage in making any type of rebuilding trade for Giannis. Zion, lotto pick, future Bucks picks. Lots of assets. Trey Murphy III. Herbert Jones. Jordan Hawkins. Lots of assets.

I posted about this last month. New Orleans (and Portland) own Mikwaukees picks going forward so the Bucks would be well-served by trading with them to get their picks back.

The problem is that the Pelicans roster is garbage and the Blazers are young. Does Giannis want to go there?

3 team
Cleveland - Giannis
New Orleans - Garland, Tyson
Milwaukee - Allen, Missi, McCollum, remove 26 swap rights, return 27 1st

Not sure it is enough for Bucks, but it would let them tank next year and year after

One starter in his prime, one injury-prone starter past his prime, 1 meh prospect, and two firsts for Giannis?

The Celtics will send you Derrick White, Kristaps Porzingis, Baylor Scheierman, and three first round picks to beat that offer by one first rounder.

If I was the Bucks, I'd take the New Orleans offer. Having your own draft picks back in 26' and 27' is EXTREMELY valuable. Its two picks you can tank into being high lottery picks. McCollum is also an expiring, so it frees up a bunch of money for them.

To be clear I wouldn't take that New Orleans offer, but its better than the Celtics one.

[keevsnick]

Listening to Windy on an ESPN segment. He says Milwaukee do not control any of their 1st round picks for the next 5 years.

So they are less interested in full rebuilding trades and will want to stay competitive in the interim. More value in win-now assets than win-later assets.

Also said New Orleans has control of those picks so they have an advantage in making any type of rebuilding trade for Giannis. Zion, lotto pick, future Bucks picks. Lots of assets. Trey Murphy III. Herbert Jones. Jordan Hawkins. Lots of assets.

I think this is the most interesting part of any potential Giannis move. The trade either has to net the Bucks good enough talent to keep them relevant in the east or the Pelicans need to be paid a kings ransom to return those picks to the Bucks.

Or the Bucks could just trade Giannis to someplace like Houston, San Antonion or OKC. Sure, they wouldn't get their OWN picks back, but they could get other teams picks with some upside. SAS has a few future ATLANTA picks and Houston a few Phoenix picks.

[Moranis]

Listening to Windy on an ESPN segment. He says Milwaukee do not control any of their 1st round picks for the next 5 years.

So they are less interested in full rebuilding trades and will want to stay competitive in the interim. More value in win-now assets than win-later assets.

Also said New Orleans has control of those picks so they have an advantage in making any type of rebuilding trade for Giannis. Zion, lotto pick, future Bucks picks. Lots of assets. Trey Murphy III. Herbert Jones. Jordan Hawkins. Lots of assets.

I posted about this last month. New Orleans (and Portland) own Mikwaukees picks going forward so the Bucks would be well-served by trading with them to get their picks back.

The problem is that the Pelicans roster is garbage and the Blazers are young. Does Giannis want to go there?

3 team
Cleveland - Giannis
New Orleans - Garland, Tyson
Milwaukee - Allen, Missi, McCollum, remove 26 swap rights, return 27 1st

Not sure it is enough for Bucks, but it would let them tank next year and year after

One starter in his prime, one injury-prone starter past his prime, 1 meh prospect, and two firsts for Giannis?

The Celtics will send you Derrick White, Kristaps Porzingis, Baylor Scheierman, and three first round picks to beat that offer by one first rounder.

If I was the Bucks, I'd take the New Orleans offer. Having your own draft picks back in 26' and 27' is EXTREMELY valuable. Its two picks you can tank into being high lottery picks. McCollum is also an expiring, so it frees up a bunch of money for them.

To be clear I wouldn't take that New Orleans offer, but its better than the Celtics one.

I wouldn't either, but having their own picks, allows them to trade Allen for another 1st (or maybe 2 depending on team) and they could maybe move McCollum for a team that wants an expiring, take back salary and pick up another 1st in doing so.  They can't do those type of trades without having their own picks though. 

I do agree that a trade to a team that owns other teams picks makes way more sense, like San Antonio or Houston, but if you are looking at trading partners that make some level of sense New Orleans has to be on Milwaukee's list because they have their picks (they just need a 3rd team because Giannis in NO doesn't make sense).