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Offline vjcsmoke

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The bones of the proposed deal is Jrue Holiday for Malik Monk, Terence Davis, Keon Ellis, Isaac Jones.

Malik Monk's salary is considerably less than Holiday. The Kings would get their experienced PG and floor general.

I think this makes sense for the Celtics as Monk can be a bucket getter for us while Tatum is down with injury.

Maybe White or Pritchard take over the lead guard role for us.

I don't really know about or care about the add-on pieces but I assume they are just there to make the salaries work for the trade.

Does this deal make sense for the Celtics? What about for the Kings?

article here:https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/kings-offseason-trade-proposal-for-jrue-holiday-amid-celtics-financial-concerns/ar-AA1FEMLt?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W099&cvid=87a82977ece5410ca65d6434a5cd9709&ei=5

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So the Kings new roster would be

G: Jrue Holiday, Devin Carter
G: Z LaVine
F: Keegan Murray
F: DeRozan, J LaRavia
C: D Sabonis, J Valanciunas

That looks a better team. Still not that good or much better than previously but a step forward. Two defensive PGs. No defense at SG, little defense at SF, no defense at PF, little defense at C. DeRozan and LaVine still take the ball out of Sabonis' hands too much on offense.

I wonder if that squad should start LaRavia and bring DeRozan off the bench as a 6th man. Gives the team a better hierarchy. Offense runs through Sabonis with LaVine as 2nd option, Keegan Murray as 3rd option (often forgotten in the offense last season), and Jrue as 4th option. Jrue and LaRavia as defensive glue guys to help their other offensive minded starters.

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The new look Celtics

G: D White, Pritchard
G: Keon Ellis, M Monk, Scheierman
F: Jaylen, Hauser
F: [Tatum], Horford
C: Porzingis, Kornet, Queta

I like Keon Ellis as a starter when Tatum is healthy because he offers superior defense to Monk and is more comfortable in a small offensive role. Monk may be needed as a starter with Tatum as his combination of scoring, playmaking, outside shooting makes him the 2nd best creator behind Jaylen on the team.

No interest in Isaac Jones. Not an NBA player. A hustle big but too small to play C and not skilled enough to be a forward. I'd cut him and free up a roster spot.

Terence Davis would be a nice bench wing.

Minutes Crunch?

Feels like there will be a minutes squeeze in the backcourt. Moving from a three guard backcourt to a four guard backcourt. D White gets 34mpg. You would like to get Monk 28mpg. Pritchard had 28mpg last season as well. You would like to get Keon Ellis 20mpg for his defense.

Two 6th man of the year candidates in the same backcourt in Pritchard and Monk plus D White leaves little opportunity for Keon Ellis. So if we have minimal minutes for Keon, then we have a small 3 guard backcourt for most of the time. Monk is a minus defender. Undersized. D White the only guard with legit size.

I wonder if we would be better off packaging Monk on elsewhere for a big forward or a quality backup center. Start Keon Ellis. Give Scheierman more minutes next season as backup. A four guard rotation but two smaller minute players next to D White and Pritchard ensuring their minutes.

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I would keep Holiday. I would't do any trade that make us worse. Don't care about salary cap.

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I would keep Holiday. I would't do any trade that make us worse. Don't care about salary cap.

I understand the feeling of wanting to keep Holiday but the Celtics are over the 2nd apron which imposes severe financial penalties and makes roster construction very difficult. On top of that Tatum's recent long term injury means we aren't competing for a title next year.

Because the window is not right to compete for a championship, it will be key to get out from heavy financial burdens so we have cap room to build a competitive team once Tatum is healthy. It's a fitting the competitive 'window' type of move, does that make sense?