JB has torn meniscus; Surgery possible

[liam]

So Joe refused to play anymore guys even though Brown was hurt, KP was sick, Holiday was banged up, Al is almost 40 but there was just no playing time for anyone else....

Those guys banged up are better than the scrubs on the bench. I don?t think playing Queta, Tillman, Schierman, Davison or Walsh was going to change anything.

We'll never know....

[Roy H.]

I went down the rabbit hole of NBA guys who didn't heal well after meniscus injuries.  Avoid that; it's not a fun read.

Mostly the outcomes are fine, but not always.

I had a meniscus tear myself at 48 years old and the recovery was routine and short.
I will say that during my wait on insurance to approve the surgery, the pain was significant.

Glad you recovered well.

[Atzar]

Feel like Rob Williams never looked like the same guy after the meniscus tear in 2022.  It's fair to wonder whether his issue was just accumulation of damage rather than the single injury, or perhaps the decision to rush back for the playoffs as opposed to a more patient approach.  Just an example that popped to mind. 

[RJ87]

I went down the rabbit hole of NBA guys who didn't heal well after meniscus injuries.  Avoid that; it's not a fun read.

Mostly the outcomes are fine, but not always.

I'd be interested to see the how that plays out with who went for a meniscectomy to get back to play sooner (about 6 weeks) versus who had a repair with the longer recovery time (at least 6 months).

Of course its not that simple and I don't know JB's situation directly, but the fact that they're not rushing to surgery is encouraging. If they think it can heal on it's own, that suggests it's an area of the meniscus that gets get blood supply. That means there are more options on the table of they do have to resort to surgery.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

So Joe refused to play anymore guys even though Brown was hurt, KP was sick, Holiday was banged up, Al is almost 40 but there was just no playing time for anyone else....

that's our JOE SCHMOE! gotta luv it! 

[Phantom255x]

Do we think Yabusele or Lonnie would get minutes in the postseason? Because this whole time I wanted at least one of them, but I do wonder if Joe would have even played them. Craig and others barely got minutes as is. But I do think Lonnie and Yabusele were still better than anything we had beyond the 9th man on our roster (after Kornet/Hauser)

Brissett and Tillman last year got some minutes in the postseason and did well. I know Tillman regressed and Brissett wasn't here but I still wish he used more guys. Same thing in 2023, we just toiled away while keeping our trade deadline acquisition (Muscala) glued to the bench among others.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

So Joe refused to play anymore guys even though Brown was hurt, KP was sick, Holiday was banged up, Al is almost 40 but there was just no playing time for anyone else....

Those guys banged up are better than the scrubs on the bench. I don?t think playing Queta, Tillman, Schierman, Davison or Walsh was going to change anything.

We'll never know....

you woulda thought AT WORST Q and sheirman coulda gotten some change of pace minutes to just rest starters. use Q just for some defense maybe rebounding dear lord we sure needed it. our rebounding was atrocious. maybe sheierman coulda been a 3 and d guy?

[angryguy77]

Boston Celtics star Jaylen Brown finished the season with a partially torn right meniscus, sources told ESPN.

Brown had been playing in pain during the last month of the regular season and the playoffs, which concluded with Friday's Game 6 loss to the New York Knicks in the Eastern Conference semifinals.

He will be evaluated this week to determine if surgery is needed, sources said.

Fun times.  :-/

So if I'm doing this right, we can say whoever comes out of the east didn't earn it because there were injuries.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Boston Celtics star Jaylen Brown finished the season with a partially torn right meniscus, sources told ESPN.

Brown had been playing in pain during the last month of the regular season and the playoffs, which concluded with Friday's Game 6 loss to the New York Knicks in the Eastern Conference semifinals.

He will be evaluated this week to determine if surgery is needed, sources said.

Fun times.  :-/

So if I'm doing this right, we can say whoever comes out of the east didn't earn it because there were injuries.

lololol

[Redz]

Boston Celtics star Jaylen Brown finished the season with a partially torn right meniscus, sources told ESPN.

Brown had been playing in pain during the last month of the regular season and the playoffs, which concluded with Friday's Game 6 loss to the New York Knicks in the Eastern Conference semifinals.

He will be evaluated this week to determine if surgery is needed, sources said.

Fun times.  :-/

So if I'm doing this right, we can say whoever comes out of the east didn't earn it because there were injuries.

lol
yup

Last year's snowplowed path through injured teams for the Celts was entirely different because we would have beaten them anyhow 

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Boston Celtics star Jaylen Brown finished the season with a partially torn right meniscus, sources told ESPN.

Brown had been playing in pain during the last month of the regular season and the playoffs, which concluded with Friday's Game 6 loss to the New York Knicks in the Eastern Conference semifinals.

He will be evaluated this week to determine if surgery is needed, sources said.

Fun times.  :-/

So if I'm doing this right, we can say whoever comes out of the east didn't earn it because there were injuries.

lol
yup

Last year's snowplowed path through injured teams for the Celts was entirely different because we would have beaten them anyhow 

and we won games with NO KP! yet no mention of that by opponents.

and nobody else(opponents) cried when we did not have smartacus, timelord, JT or big perk in key playoff games when we lost. They tooka W anyway they could get it with no apologies. they said oh well injuries are not our problem! funny how this only works on us eh? 

[vjcsmoke]

Boston Celtics star Jaylen Brown finished the season with a partially torn right meniscus, sources told ESPN.

Brown had been playing in pain during the last month of the regular season and the playoffs, which concluded with Friday's Game 6 loss to the New York Knicks in the Eastern Conference semifinals.

He will be evaluated this week to determine if surgery is needed, sources said.

Fun times.  :-/

All the injuries to our important players kind of clumped together: Tatum, Brown, and Porzingis.

Brown will probably have surgery as well, won't he? This might make trade talks involving Brown murky and more difficult.

Dunno what we're going to do because I feel like we definitely need to move one of Brown, Porzingis, or Holiday to get under 2nd apron so we can have room to maneuver.

This team will need to make some changes in the offseason.

[Ilikesports17]

Boston Celtics star Jaylen Brown finished the season with a partially torn right meniscus, sources told ESPN.

Brown had been playing in pain during the last month of the regular season and the playoffs, which concluded with Friday's Game 6 loss to the New York Knicks in the Eastern Conference semifinals.

He will be evaluated this week to determine if surgery is needed, sources said.

Fun times.  :-/

All the injuries to our important players kind of clumped together: Tatum, Brown, and Porzingis.

Brown will probably have surgery as well, won't he? This might make trade talks involving Brown murky and more difficult.

Dunno what we're going to do because I feel like we definitely need to move one of Brown, Porzingis, or Holiday to get under 2nd apron so we can have room to maneuver.

This team will need to make some changes in the offseason.

Trading Jaylen Brown ?to have room to maneuver? would be insane anyway

[tazzmaniac]

Boston Celtics star Jaylen Brown finished the season with a partially torn right meniscus, sources told ESPN.

Brown had been playing in pain during the last month of the regular season and the playoffs, which concluded with Friday's Game 6 loss to the New York Knicks in the Eastern Conference semifinals.

He will be evaluated this week to determine if surgery is needed, sources said.

Fun times.  :-/

All the injuries to our important players kind of clumped together: Tatum, Brown, and Porzingis.

Brown will probably have surgery as well, won't he? This might make trade talks involving Brown murky and more difficult.

Dunno what we're going to do because I feel like we definitely need to move one of Brown, Porzingis, or Holiday to get under 2nd apron so we can have room to maneuver.

This team will need to make some changes in the offseason.

Trading Jaylen Brown ?to have room to maneuver? would be insane anyway

Sounds like it is very much up in the air whether Brown will need surgery. 

From Stevens a couple days ago.

"He saw obviously our team docs and a couple of other people, and as he even said a couple weeks ago, the knee is in a good place structurally," Stevens explained. "And so I think he felt comfortable getting out there and going after it. And hopefully he'll feel better after being off it for a couple weeks here.

Fans can ignore the financials but owners and GMs certainly cannot.  I don't see trading Brown as insane if it improves the financials a lot and there is a good return.  Trying to carry two 50M players who will be 60M players in a couple years could be called insane given the current CBA.  Brown isn't a top 10 player.  All the rankings I've seen have him around 20 and that's where he's been for the last few years.  It makes sense to at least consider trading him for a true #2 star who is paid like a #2 star plus additional assets while improving the financials.  I am assuming there is very high confidence that Tatum will come back to 100% or very near so in 1.5/2 years.

If that isn't the case and the likelihood is he'll be back at 80-90%, I'm not sure what I'd do.  I look at Brown as a #1B star (i.e. a poor teams #1 star (e.g. Morant)).  With Brown as the #1A star, we'd be a playoff team but I don't think we'd be a championship caliber team.   In the former case, I don't like a Brown plus assets for Giannis trade.  This is Tatum's team and I don't see how they'd fit together well as both #1A stars.  Now in the latter case Brown for Giannis does make sense and if Tatum could not deal with being a highly paid #2 star or if the financials required it, he'd have to be traded.  Of course in the latter case, the team could also go into a full rebuild.   

[keevsnick]

Boston Celtics star Jaylen Brown finished the season with a partially torn right meniscus, sources told ESPN.

Brown had been playing in pain during the last month of the regular season and the playoffs, which concluded with Friday's Game 6 loss to the New York Knicks in the Eastern Conference semifinals.

He will be evaluated this week to determine if surgery is needed, sources said.

Fun times.  :-/

All the injuries to our important players kind of clumped together: Tatum, Brown, and Porzingis.

Brown will probably have surgery as well, won't he? This might make trade talks involving Brown murky and more difficult.

Dunno what we're going to do because I feel like we definitely need to move one of Brown, Porzingis, or Holiday to get under 2nd apron so we can have room to maneuver.

This team will need to make some changes in the offseason.

Trading Jaylen Brown ?to have room to maneuver? would be insane anyway

Sounds like it is very much up in the air whether Brown will need surgery. 

From Stevens a couple days ago.

"He saw obviously our team docs and a couple of other people, and as he even said a couple weeks ago, the knee is in a good place structurally," Stevens explained. "And so I think he felt comfortable getting out there and going after it. And hopefully he'll feel better after being off it for a couple weeks here.

Fans can ignore the financials but owners and GMs certainly cannot.  I don't see trading Brown as insane if it improves the financials a lot and there is a good return.  Trying to carry two 50M players who will be 60M players in a couple years could be called insane given the current CBA.  Brown isn't a top 10 player.  All the rankings I've seen have him around 20 and that's where he's been for the last few years.  It makes sense to at least consider trading him for a true #2 star who is paid like a #2 star plus additional assets while improving the financials.  I am assuming there is very high confidence that Tatum will come back to 100% or very near so in 1.5/2 years.

If that isn't the case and the likelihood is he'll be back at 80-90%, I'm not sure what I'd do.  I look at Brown as a #1B star (i.e. a poor teams #1 star (e.g. Morant)).  With Brown as the #1A star, we'd be a playoff team but I don't think we'd be a championship caliber team.   In the former case, I don't like a Brown plus assets for Giannis trade.  This is Tatum's team and I don't see how they'd fit together well as both #1A stars.  Now in the latter case Brown for Giannis does make sense and if Tatum could not deal with being a highly paid #2 star or if the financials required it, he'd have to be traded.  Of course in the latter case, the team could also go into a full rebuild.

JB will make roughly 53.1 million next year, which sounds like a lot. But there will be at least 16 guys making 50 million or more next season, so even if you think Jaylen is more like the 20th best player rather than a top 15 guy he's still only slightly overpaid as there will be AT LEAST 26 players making 45.6 million or more next year.

Basically, this is where contracts are, if you want two top 25ish players you are going to be paying each a bare minimum of 45 million each, more like 50+ moving forward as the cap grows. Would it be better if those guys were the #1 and #10 best players in the NBA rather than #5 (Tatum) and #20 (Brown)? Yes it would. But that's really hard to do.

Looking at the Ringers NBA rankings the best pairings are LeBron(/Luka(5), Mitchell(9)/Mobley(13), Tatum(4)/Brown(21), Curry(6)/Butler(20), Brunson(10)/Towns(17), Durant(11)/Booker(18). Those are the only six parings with two top 21 guys. There is only one pairing with two top 10 guys, and one of those is Lebron past age 40.

Basically you aren't going to do much better than Brown as your second-best guy, not realistically. He's a "top 5" second best guy in the league. Getting someone who is better is tougher, because if they are better than Brown they are more than likely valued as a #1 on some team somewhere.

The Celtics problem isn't that Brown makes 53 when he should make 46, tho he probably should make closer to 46. The problem is they have one too many guys making 30+ million and need to make up for that by nailing some late draft picks to be cheap rotation options.