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Celtics Trade Idea for the future
« on: April 09, 2025, 06:28:10 AM »

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In an era where roster flexibility, cap management, and long-term vision are as vital as raw talent, a proposed three-team trade involving the Boston Celtics, Memphis Grizzlies, and Detroit Pistons offers a rare alignment of strategic priorities and on-court identity. At its core, the transaction centers on a headline swap: Jaylen Brown, an All-NBA wing in his prime, heading to Memphis, while Jaren Jackson Jr., a Defensive Player of the Year and modern big, joins forces with Jayson Tatum in Boston.

This deal, if executed, would be more than a high-profile reshuffling of stars. It reflects each team?s evolving philosophy, not only around how to win in today?s NBA, but how to sustain that success within the boundaries of the league?s increasingly complex financial architecture.

The Proposed Trade
Boston Celtics Receive:

Jaren Jackson Jr. (PF/C)
Simone Fontecchio (SF, expiring)
Vince Williams Jr. (SF)
Boston sends Jaylen Brown, an unprotected 2025 first-round pick, and two second-round picks (2026 & 2029)
Memphis Grizzlies Receive:

Jaylen Brown
2025 unprotected first-round pick (via Boston)
Detroit Pistons Receive:

Brandon Clarke (PF)
John Konchar (SG)
Two second-round picks (from Boston: 2026 & 2029)
Detroit sends Simone Fontecchio (expiring contract)
A Pragmatic Reset in Boston
The Celtics? rationale is both fiscal and philosophical. By trading Brown?who is in the second year of a five-year supermax contract worth over $300 million?and separately moving Sam Hauser, Boston can dip below both the first and second tax aprons under the NBA's new CBA.

This maneuver restores critical team-building mechanisms: the full mid-level exception, the ability to aggregate salaries in trades, sign-and-trade eligibility, and cash inclusion in deals.

From a basketball standpoint, Jaren Jackson Jr. is a seamless fit. His defensive versatility allows Boston to maintain its identity as an elite switch-and-help team, while his shooting adds valuable frontcourt spacing. The additions of Fontecchio, a career 38% three-point shooter on the wing, and Vince Williams Jr., a promising young role player, provide depth at low cost.

Memphis Bets on Offensive Firepower
For Memphis, this deal signals a philosophical pivot. By parting with Jackson?a franchise cornerstone since his rookie season?the Grizzlies prioritize offensive creation and halfcourt scoring over defensive infrastructure. Jaylen Brown, a two-time All-Star and All-NBA wing, immediately becomes the team?s most dynamic perimeter scorer and a late-game shotmaker alongside Ja Morant and Desmond Bane.

The inclusion of Boston?s 2025 first-round pick (unprotected) is a key piece for Memphis. While the Celtics are not expected to fall into the lottery, an early stumble post-trade or a potential injury to Tatum could give Memphis valuable draft upside.

Detroit Extracts Value with Minimal Cost
The Pistons? role in this deal is facilitative?but far from passive. By using cap space to absorb Brandon Clarke and John Konchar, Detroit adds two rotation-ready veterans to support a young core led by Cade Cunningham, Ausar Thompson, and Jaden Ivey. Clarke?s athleticism and finishing complement Detroit?s frontcourt, while Konchar?s off-ball shooting and defensive effort fit the team's culture.

Importantly, Detroit does not surrender any draft capital and receives two second-round picks from Boston for its role in absorbing salary and moving Simone Fontecchio, an expiring forward.

Cap Management: The Fourth Star
This trade cannot be analyzed without acknowledging the silent?but powerful?fourth player: the NBA?s financial rulebook.

Boston?s decision to move Brown, while controversial on the surface, is in large part a reaction to the NBA?s punitive luxury tax and apron rules. Staying above the second apron for multiple seasons triggers escalating restrictions that hamper flexibility, limit trades, and penalize even modest roster changes.

Memphis remains under both aprons, absorbing Brown?s salary by sending out over $44 million in contracts, while Detroit?s use of cap space makes the deal functional without the need for complicated matching.

Conclusion: Alignment of Identity and Intention
This proposed trade represents a rare balance of basketball sense and financial acumen. Each franchise walks away with a clear win:

Boston regains flexibility and maintains a contending roster centered on Tatum and Jackson Jr.
Memphis upgrades offensively with a top-tier scorer and future pick capital
Detroit improves its rotation and adds future assets with no long-term burden
In a league where trades often yield one clear winner, this deal is notable for its symmetry. Each team gains clarity?not just in roster construction, but in philosophy.
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Re: Celtics Trade Idea for the future
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2025, 08:46:19 AM »

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Re: Celtics Trade Idea for the future
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2025, 09:06:39 AM »

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I love JJJ. He would be fantastic here.

Re: Celtics Trade Idea for the future
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2025, 10:37:08 AM »

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hate it.  not enough value for Jaylen.  I don't want to trade him but if we do, we should not be getting back a lesser player and giving up picks.

I get the financial impacts but wouldn't touch this.  If Memphis were sending us their first and a second, maybe.

Re: Celtics Trade Idea for the future
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2025, 02:45:22 PM »

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I?m not sure Memphis would do that trade considering JJJ is 25 years old and elite defensively. JB is turning 29 this year and he?s having knee issues pretty regularly now.
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Re: Celtics Trade Idea for the future
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2025, 04:09:55 PM »

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I?m not sure Memphis would do that trade considering JJJ is 25 years old and elite defensively. JB is turning 29 this year and he?s having knee issues pretty regularly now.

Nah, this is incorrect.  This is his first knee injury, I believe.  It's a bone bruise.  Painful, takes a long time to heal, but as far as I'm aware there's no reason to sweat his long-term health over the thing. 

The only concern with the knee is that we won't have 2024 Jaylen in the playoffs this time around. 

Re: Celtics Trade Idea for the future
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2025, 04:55:44 PM »

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The Celtics would trade JB for JJJ in a heartbeat, but MEM definitely wouldn?t do that deal. I love JB, but his trade value is only good, not great, with that contract. I?m not sure anybody trusts that he can truly be the #1 on a Title contender.

It?s not going to help matters that the last people see of him this year - however it ends - is hobbling around looking unassertive.

Re: Celtics Trade Idea for the future
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2025, 05:14:16 PM »

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I love JJJ. He would be fantastic here.

I'm not sure JJJ would be a great pairing with Porzingis.
They're both not really great rebounders.

Re: Celtics Trade Idea for the future
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2025, 06:01:31 PM »

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I?m not sure Memphis would do that trade considering JJJ is 25 years old and elite defensively. JB is turning 29 this year and he?s having knee issues pretty regularly now.

Nah, this is incorrect.  This is his first knee injury, I believe.  It's a bone bruise.  Painful, takes a long time to heal, but as far as I'm aware there's no reason to sweat his long-term health over the thing. 

The only concern with the knee is that we won't have 2024 Jaylen in the playoffs this time around.


Date of Injury   Injury Name   Description
March 21, 2025   Knee   Bone bruise and posterior impingement in his right knee
March 14, 2025   Knee   Bone bruise and posterior impingement in his right knee
March 06, 2025   Knee   Bone bruise in his right knee
February 26, 2025   Ankle   Thigh contusion
February 10, 2025   Knee   Right knee swelling
January 2, 2025   Shoulder   Right Shoulder; Strain
December 1, 2024   Illness   Illness
November 2, 2024   Left Hip Flexor Strain   Suffered during a game, causing him to miss multiple games; expected recovery in 2-4 weeks.
April 12-14, 2024   Hand Injury   Missed two games due to a hand injury affecting his shooting ability.
March 23, 2024   Injury Management   Missed one game for precautionary reasons, likely related to previous injuries.
March 17, 2024   Ankle Injury   Missed one game due to an ankle injury, adding to concerns about his mobility.
March 12, 2024   Back Injury   Missed one game due to back soreness, a recurring issue in his career.
February 14-21, 2024   Shoulder Injury   Missed games due to a shoulder injury, impacting his overall gameplay.
February 4-6, 2024   Back Soreness   Missed one game due to back issues, highlighting his struggle with durability.
January 15-16, 2024   Knee Soreness   Missed one game due to knee soreness, part of his ongoing knee health concerns.




November 12-13, 2022   Knee Soreness   Missed one game due to knee issues, showing a pattern of knee-related injuries.
March 28-29, 2022   Knee Discomfort   Missed one game due to knee discomfort, adding to his ongoing knee problems.
March 3-5, 2022   Ankle Injury   Missed one game due to an ankle injury, part of his broader injury issues.
December 3-12, 2021   Hamstring Strain   Missed five games, indicating significant time lost due to a common injury in basketball.
November 6-21, 2021   Hamstring Strain   Missed eight games due to a hamstring strain, raising concerns about recurring issues.
October 24, 2021   Knee Soreness   Missed one game due to knee soreness, consistent with his injury history.
May 10-16, 2021   Wrist Injury   Missed four games due to a wrist injury, impacting his shooting mechanics.
May 5-9, 2021   Ankle Injury   Missed three games, emphasizing the fragility of his lower body.
April 22-24, 2021   Shoulder Soreness   Missed two games due to shoulder issues, which are common in his career.
April 17-18, 2021   Illness   Missed one game due to illness, impacting his performance.
March 29-30, 2021   Hip Issue   Missed one game due to hip discomfort, indicating persistent lower body concerns.
February 28-March 1, 2021   Knee Soreness   Missed one game due to knee soreness, showing ongoing knee-related vulnerabilities.
February 5-8, 2021   Knee Soreness   Missed two games due to knee issues, continuing the trend of injury concerns.
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Re: Celtics Trade Idea for the future
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2025, 07:26:02 PM »

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Missing one or two games here and there for knee 'soreness' isn't an injury to me, and besides, I'm referring to a quote straight from Jaylen himself when he says he's never dealt with a significant knee injury before.  But if you think that proves your point, I don't feel like arguing with you.

I don't care about the other stuff you listed.  That's just you moving the goalposts. 

Re: Celtics Trade Idea for the future
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2025, 08:13:17 PM »

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Missing one or two games here and there for knee 'soreness' isn't an injury to me, and besides, I'm referring to a quote straight from Jaylen himself when he says he's never dealt with a significant knee injury before.  But if you think that proves your point, I don't feel like arguing with you.

I don't care about the other stuff you listed.  That's just you moving the goalposts.

A few games here or there?  :laugh:

He?s had issues in 2021, 2022, 2024, and now in 2025.

You said this is his first knee injury. That is incorrect. How am I moving goal posts?  ???
« Last Edit: April 09, 2025, 08:48:34 PM by Goldstar88 »
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Celtics Trade Idea for the future
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2025, 08:29:47 PM »

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Missing one or two games here and there for knee 'soreness' isn't an injury to me, and besides, I'm referring to a quote straight from Jaylen himself when he says he's never dealt with a significant knee injury before.  But if you think that proves your point, I don't feel like arguing with you.

I don't care about the other stuff you listed.  That's just you moving the goalposts.

A few games here or there.  :laugh:

He?s had issues in 2021, 2022, 2024, and now in 2025.

You said this is his first knee injury. That is incorrect. How am I moving goal posts?  ???

Yes, a few games here and there.  Never for a specific injury until this one, just "soreness" or "discomfort" (which tends to be the verbiage this organization uses for rest days, I'd point out).  If you think those matter, fine.  I don't. 

Again; Jaylen himself has said that he hasn't had issues with his knees in his career.  Quote is here:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/celtics-jaylen-brown-reveals-hes-on-a-minutes-restriction-due-to-lingering-knee-injury/ar-AA1BMvXH  Hence my stubbornness on the topic. 


Re: Celtics Trade Idea for the future
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2025, 08:53:42 PM »

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Missing one or two games here and there for knee 'soreness' isn't an injury to me, and besides, I'm referring to a quote straight from Jaylen himself when he says he's never dealt with a significant knee injury before.  But if you think that proves your point, I don't feel like arguing with you.

I don't care about the other stuff you listed.  That's just you moving the goalposts.

A few games here or there.  :laugh:

He?s had issues in 2021, 2022, 2024, and now in 2025.

You said this is his first knee injury. That is incorrect. How am I moving goal posts?  ???

Yes, a few games here and there.  Never for a specific injury until this one, just "soreness" or "discomfort" (which tends to be the verbiage this organization uses for rest days, I'd point out).  If you think those matter, fine.  I don't. 

Again; Jaylen himself has said that he hasn't had issues with his knees in his career.  Quote is here:  https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/celtics-jaylen-brown-reveals-hes-on-a-minutes-restriction-due-to-lingering-knee-injury/ar-AA1BMvXH  Hence my stubbornness on the topic.

If JB is missing games due to knee flare ups, that is an injury. If he wasn?t injured, he wouldn?t have missed the games listed above. JB can say whatever he wants, doesn?t change the fact that he?s missed time with knee issues in the past. 
« Last Edit: April 09, 2025, 09:48:43 PM by Goldstar88 »
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Celtics Trade Idea for the future
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2025, 04:04:31 AM »

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hate it.  not enough value for Jaylen.  I don't want to trade him but if we do, we should not be getting back a lesser player and giving up picks.

I get the financial impacts but wouldn't touch this.  If Memphis were sending us their first and a second, maybe.

I understand but I think JJJ is a better stylistic fit as well. He is one of the top 3 for DPOY and is a 20+ PPG scorer who spaces the floor. The Celtics current weakness is rebounding and being slightly small in our positions. This allows the Celtics to get bigger, be an insane defensive juggernaut and be incredibly versatile. It prolongs our window of contention and gets us below the tax. The 2nd apron could destroy us for 3 plus years of a rebuild. This lets Tatum continue to contend in his prime
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Re: Celtics Trade Idea for the future
« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2025, 08:58:21 AM »

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hate it.  not enough value for Jaylen.  I don't want to trade him but if we do, we should not be getting back a lesser player and giving up picks.

I get the financial impacts but wouldn't touch this.  If Memphis were sending us their first and a second, maybe.

I understand but I think JJJ is a better stylistic fit as well. He is one of the top 3 for DPOY and is a 20+ PPG scorer who spaces the floor. The Celtics current weakness is rebounding and being slightly small in our positions. This allows the Celtics to get bigger, be an insane defensive juggernaut and be incredibly versatile. It prolongs our window of contention and gets us below the tax. The 2nd apron could destroy us for 3 plus years of a rebuild. This lets Tatum continue to contend in his prime
you do realize both JJJ and Jaylen are averaging 5.8 rebounds this year so it's not like JJJ is going to address our rebounding -- especially since he'd be at PF or a small-ball center whereas Jaylen's getting that same amount as the SF/SG on the floor.  JJJ would be a terrific replacement for Al but moving Jaylen leaves a big hole at the swing position with no one on the roster we could expect to step into that spot and provide solid 2-way play.

I get the fascination of JJJ because he's a talented big that plays terrific D and isn't a stiff on offense but he's not as good as Jaylen.  If this deal were made, C's need to have a plan to add a swing player that is a solid scorer and defender and get more assets from Memphis, not give up picks for acquiring the lesser player.