Is Al a Hall of Famer?

[droopdog7]

80-90% of Celtic fans would say yes.  90-100% of non-Celtic fans would say no.  Al's actually HOF odds are 24%.  Seems about right.

[droopdog7]

I think if the Celtics win this year he gets in.  If it were up to me, he wouldn't. I would have him in the Hall of Very Good.  But as many say, everyone seems to get in nowadays. 

Random sidenote - I also think it's strange that they look at college, but only if you had a good career in the pros.  No way Christian Laettner would ever get in, but Ralph Sampson gets in partly because of his college career.

What's crazy, and very difficult to qualify and quantify, is that Al is SO much better than his stats.  Very similar to White and Jrue.  Even at his advance aged, he's such a valuable player for a championship teams because of everything he brings to the table.
Unfortunately HOF and all star voting generally don't value that; would rather take a stat padder on a meh team that might not be as good without the ball in their hands all the time.

[keevsnick]

80-90% of Celtic fans would say yes.  90-100% of non-Celtic fans would say no.  Al's actually HOF odds are 24%.  Seems about right.

I'm guessing you pulled that 24% likelihood off Basketball Reference. That probability only takes into account NBA output, so it doesn't for example give any weight to his 2 NCAAM championships or to international play. So in all likelihood his chances are significantly higher than 24%.

[byennie]

I can't see him getting in with those career numbers, unless there's a comp I'm missing. Super solid career and better than his numbers, but 13/8 with a few All-Star games but never even made 2nd team All-NBA, no major awards (DPOY, MVP, etc). He's barely top-200 in any category for his career despite playing 18 seasons.

Love him, wouldn't mind seeing him get the recognition, but there's a pretty strong argument against?

[Big333223]

I can't see him getting in with those career numbers, unless there's a comp I'm missing. Super solid career and better than his numbers, but 13/8 with a few All-Star games but never even made 2nd team All-NBA, no major awards (DPOY, MVP, etc). He's barely top-200 in any category for his career despite playing 18 seasons.

Love him, wouldn't mind seeing him get the recognition, but there's a pretty strong argument against?

I'm not sure what the right comp is but I just pulled up Chauncey Billups. I wouldn't have had Billups in the hall but he is. I have to think if he's not the low bar, he's close to it.

Similar to Al, Billups never averaged 20 ppg but his 15,802 total points is still quite a bit more than Al (14,582 and counting). Both made 5 all star games but Billups made 3 all NBA teams where Al made only 1. And then, of course, Billups has that FMVP, too.

If Billups is really the low bar, it doesn't look great for Al when comparing the NBA resume. But, as others have said, if you take college into account, maybe that gets him in. 

[Roy H.]

I can't see him getting in with those career numbers, unless there's a comp I'm missing. Super solid career and better than his numbers, but 13/8 with a few All-Star games but never even made 2nd team All-NBA, no major awards (DPOY, MVP, etc). He's barely top-200 in any category for his career despite playing 18 seasons.

Love him, wouldn't mind seeing him get the recognition, but there's a pretty strong argument against?

I'm not sure what the right comp is but I just pulled up Chauncey Billups. I wouldn't have had Billups in the hall but he is. I have to think if he's not the low bar, he's close to it.

Similar to Al, Billups never averaged 20 ppg but his 15,802 total points is still quite a bit more than Al (14,582 and counting). Both made 5 all star games but Billups made 3 all NBA teams where Al made only 1. And then, of course, Billups has that FMVP, too.

If Billups is really the low bar, it doesn't look great for Al when comparing the NBA resume. But, as others have said, if you take college into account, maybe that gets him in.

Look up Bill Bradley's numbers.

[Big333223]

I can't see him getting in with those career numbers, unless there's a comp I'm missing. Super solid career and better than his numbers, but 13/8 with a few All-Star games but never even made 2nd team All-NBA, no major awards (DPOY, MVP, etc). He's barely top-200 in any category for his career despite playing 18 seasons.

Love him, wouldn't mind seeing him get the recognition, but there's a pretty strong argument against?

I'm not sure what the right comp is but I just pulled up Chauncey Billups. I wouldn't have had Billups in the hall but he is. I have to think if he's not the low bar, he's close to it.

Similar to Al, Billups never averaged 20 ppg but his 15,802 total points is still quite a bit more than Al (14,582 and counting). Both made 5 all star games but Billups made 3 all NBA teams where Al made only 1. And then, of course, Billups has that FMVP, too.

If Billups is really the low bar, it doesn't look great for Al when comparing the NBA resume. But, as others have said, if you take college into account, maybe that gets him in.

Look up Bill Bradley's numbers.

That's wild. I guess I never looked up his numbers before. Now I'm wondering why he's in the HoF at all.
 
Is it the 2 championships and some kind of NY bias? Or maybe just because he was a senator the NBA wanted to get him in? Kind of a weird selection. 

[Donoghus]

I can't see him getting in with those career numbers, unless there's a comp I'm missing. Super solid career and better than his numbers, but 13/8 with a few All-Star games but never even made 2nd team All-NBA, no major awards (DPOY, MVP, etc). He's barely top-200 in any category for his career despite playing 18 seasons.

Love him, wouldn't mind seeing him get the recognition, but there's a pretty strong argument against?

I'm not sure what the right comp is but I just pulled up Chauncey Billups. I wouldn't have had Billups in the hall but he is. I have to think if he's not the low bar, he's close to it.

Similar to Al, Billups never averaged 20 ppg but his 15,802 total points is still quite a bit more than Al (14,582 and counting). Both made 5 all star games but Billups made 3 all NBA teams where Al made only 1. And then, of course, Billups has that FMVP, too.

If Billups is really the low bar, it doesn't look great for Al when comparing the NBA resume. But, as others have said, if you take college into account, maybe that gets him in.

Look up Bill Bradley's numbers.

That's wild. I guess I never looked up his numbers before. Now I'm wondering why he's in the HoF at all.
 
Is it the 2 championships and some kind of NY bias? Or maybe just because he was a senator the NBA wanted to get him in? Kind of a weird selection.

I'm guessing his college & international resume helped.  He has a gold medal. I never realized that he's one of two players to have won a EuroLeague title and an NBA title.

[Neurotic Guy]

He is a very good two-way player for a very long time.  The question to me is whether it's long enough? I don't think it probably is, and statistically it's going downhill.  My biggest hope is that it doesn't matter all that much to him.  I know just about everyone would relish the idea of that recognition, but I hope in the big picture, playing two decades of professional basketball at a high level, having more money than god, and having what appears to be a good family life, are all enough for him.  And he's not even 40 (old for player, young for a human).   Retired jersey?

[aefgogreen]

I can't see him getting in with those career numbers, unless there's a comp I'm missing. Super solid career and better than his numbers, but 13/8 with a few All-Star games but never even made 2nd team All-NBA, no major awards (DPOY, MVP, etc). He's barely top-200 in any category for his career despite playing 18 seasons.

Love him, wouldn't mind seeing him get the recognition, but there's a pretty strong argument against?

I'm not sure what the right comp is but I just pulled up Chauncey Billups. I wouldn't have had Billups in the hall but he is. I have to think if he's not the low bar, he's close to it.

Similar to Al, Billups never averaged 20 ppg but his 15,802 total points is still quite a bit more than Al (14,582 and counting). Both made 5 all star games but Billups made 3 all NBA teams where Al made only 1. And then, of course, Billups has that FMVP, too.

If Billups is really the low bar, it doesn't look great for Al when comparing the NBA resume. But, as others have said, if you take college into account, maybe that gets him in.

Look up Bill Bradley's numbers.

That's wild. I guess I never looked up his numbers before. Now I'm wondering why he's in the HoF at all.
 
Is it the 2 championships and some kind of NY bias? Or maybe just because he was a senator the NBA wanted to get him in? Kind of a weird selection.

I have to think that if not for being a senator, he doesn't get in.

[droopdog7]

80-90% of Celtic fans would say yes.  90-100% of non-Celtic fans would say no.  Al's actually HOF odds are 24%.  Seems about right.

I'm guessing you pulled that 24% likelihood off Basketball Reference. That probability only takes into account NBA output, so it doesn't for example give any weight to his 2 NCAAM championships or to international play. So in all likelihood his chances are significantly higher than 24%.

Higher, sure, but not sure how significant.  Maybe he get's closer to 40%?

[Who]

I don't know that Al's international career figures much into things. I agree his 2 NCAA titles do.

But it is not like he was the 1st Dominican player to play in the NBA. His father played in the NBA. Almost 30 years before Al did. Then you Felipe Lopez who was the Dominican Michael Jordan. You had Francisco Garcia. Horford is not some trailblazer in that regard. Not only only was he not 1st but he was not even one of the early players to make. We had several guys in the league from there before him.

Then comes the 2nd factor which is tournaments won. He didn't win an Olympics or World Championship / World Cup like the guys from Spain, Argentina, Yugoslavia / Serbia did. He got a bronze medal at an Americas tournament which is a small competition. The Euros are the only quality tournament outside the Olympics & World Cup. This isn't that.

I don't think his international career counts for anything in regards to his HoF chances.