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Re: Is our roster constructed properly?
« Reply #45 on: March 10, 2025, 09:03:50 AM »

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Lonnie Walker had 25pts, 11rebs, 5ast, 1stl in the 76ers win tonight. Should be on the Cs!

It's kind of perplexing that we didn't keep him or even sign him when he was still available mid-season. Another one is Yabu. Dude literally said at the Olympics that he would love to come back to Boston.  These were players that were ready to come here that we actively shunned.

I agree that there is nothing wrong with our main rotation, but it doesn't hurt to have some guys you can count on every now and then when you need them. I was happy to see guys like Craig and Scheierman play well last week and I have always been a Queta fan. Hopefully now that we are locked into the 3rd best record in the league, we will give guys more of a chance to play down the stretch.

Re: Is our roster constructed properly?
« Reply #46 on: April 09, 2025, 11:06:17 PM »

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Deep bench on full display tonight.  :-X

In other news, Lonnie walker Had 24pts for Philly today. Last game he had 29pts.  :blank:
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Re: Is our roster constructed properly?
« Reply #47 on: April 10, 2025, 09:02:55 AM »

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Deep bench on full display tonight.  :-X

In other news, Lonnie walker Had 24pts for Philly today. Last game he had 29pts.  :blank:


And when is Philly's first playoff game?   


Which team in the NBA is going to look good with their top 6 players not playing in a meaningless game?   


Re: Is our roster constructed properly?
« Reply #48 on: April 10, 2025, 09:09:12 AM »

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Deep bench on full display tonight.  :-X

In other news, Lonnie walker Had 24pts for Philly today. Last game he had 29pts.  :blank:


And when is Philly's first playoff game?   


Which team in the NBA is going to look good with their top 6 players not playing in a meaningless game?

What does that have to do with the Celtics having like 4-5 G-league players on their roster.

Do you trust Scheierman, Tillman, Davison, Peterson, Walsh, Norris to contribute if rotation players go down with injury/illness? I don?t.
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At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Is our roster constructed properly?
« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2025, 09:18:08 AM »

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Deep bench on full display tonight.  :-X

In other news, Lonnie walker Had 24pts for Philly today. Last game he had 29pts.  :blank:


And when is Philly's first playoff game?   


Which team in the NBA is going to look good with their top 6 players not playing in a meaningless game?

What does that have to do with the Celtics having like 4-5 G-league players on their roster.

Do you trust Scheierman, Tillman, Davison, Peterson, Walsh, Norris to contribute if rotation players go down with injury/illness? I don?t.


Any team having to play that deep into their bench during the playoffs are done.   And actual two-way players are not eligible to play in the playoffs, so why are we listing them?

Re: Is our roster constructed properly?
« Reply #50 on: April 10, 2025, 09:34:09 AM »

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The predictable reaction anytime Walker scores points.  And somehow this proves that our roster is poorly constructed because we didn't sign Lonnie Walker?

So go down the roster, who on the Celtics right now is Walker better than?  And you can't count 2-way players.

Tillman  -  Sure, he has been a waste
Walsh  -   Walsh plays better defense and is on a rookie contract.
Scheierman - Again, rookie contract so hard to compare

The only one that you could have a realistic conversation about is Torrey Craig.  Would we be better with Walker over Torrey Craig?  Would this improve our roster construction?  Based on body of work, I give Craig a slight edge but it is hard to compare what Craig is doing on the Celtics to what Walker is doing on the Sixers.  Last night, Craig did a big fat nothing and Walker had a nice game scoring.

I actually think Craig is a better fit than Walker.  Neither is going to play much if at all in the playoffs, and if Craig is playing, we are either winning big or headed down the drain.  But there could be a situation where we need a little defense or another rebounder on the floor and Craig may get a chance in the playoffs.  I see no scenario where Walker ever sees a meaningful minute in the playoffs.

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« Reply #51 on: April 10, 2025, 10:04:44 AM »

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The predictable reaction anytime Walker scores points.  And somehow this proves that our roster is poorly constructed because we didn't sign Lonnie Walker?

So go down the roster, who on the Celtics right now is Walker better than?  And you can't count 2-way players.

Tillman  -  Sure, he has been a waste
Walsh  -   Walsh plays better defense and is on a rookie contract.
Scheierman - Again, rookie contract so hard to compare

The only one that you could have a realistic conversation about is Torrey Craig.  Would we be better with Walker over Torrey Craig?  Would this improve our roster construction?  Based on body of work, I give Craig a slight edge but it is hard to compare what Craig is doing on the Celtics to what Walker is doing on the Sixers.  Last night, Craig did a big fat nothing and Walker had a nice game scoring.

I actually think Craig is a better fit than Walker.  Neither is going to play much if at all in the playoffs, and if Craig is playing, we are either winning big or headed down the drain.  But there could be a situation where we need a little defense or another rebounder on the floor and Craig may get a chance in the playoffs.  I see no scenario where Walker ever sees a meaningful minute in the playoffs.

Do you know who he's definitively better than?

"15th Roster Spot -- Open"


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Re: Is our roster constructed properly?
« Reply #52 on: April 10, 2025, 10:27:28 AM »

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Re: Is our roster constructed properly?
« Reply #53 on: April 10, 2025, 10:29:46 AM »

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Deep bench on full display tonight.  :-X

In other news, Lonnie walker Had 24pts for Philly today. Last game he had 29pts.  :blank:


And when is Philly's first playoff game?   


Which team in the NBA is going to look good with their top 6 players not playing in a meaningless game?

What does that have to do with the Celtics having like 4-5 G-league players on their roster.

Do you trust Scheierman, Tillman, Davison, Peterson, Walsh, Norris to contribute if rotation players go down with injury/illness? I don?t.


Any team having to play that deep into their bench during the playoffs are done.   And actual two-way players are not eligible to play in the playoffs, so why are we listing them?


Point is, none of those guys are reliable. Even if one or two rotation players are out. That?s not good.
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Re: Is our roster constructed properly?
« Reply #54 on: April 10, 2025, 11:06:33 AM »

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I will say, I'm running out of patience with Walsh and JD. How much longer are we gonna wait? These guys still don't look anywhere close to cracking the Top-10 in our rotation. I would much rather use those spots on guys like Lonnie or Yabu when they are available for the minimum instead of holding on to the likes of Walsh, Norris, etc. Especially for a team like Boston in a "win-now" mode with the Jays.

I know Craig hasn't done much but he's still a legit veteran and NBA player, and could be plugged in for situations in the postseason. Those are the kinds of guys I'd like. It's fine to keep 2-3 end of bench G-Leaguer types you can develop like Peterson, but not 4-5 unless you're a terrible team like Utah or Washington.

I know Tillman's regression hurt big time this season, but I liked the idea going into the year and thought he could be a discount Horford replacement down the road. I would still make those kind of transactions and risks going forward.

I had high hopes for Walsh but at some point you do need to score some buckets. Even Smart, Draymond, Jrue, etc. can score a bit when needed. Walsh will sometimes go in and not score anything, so then it's almost like we're 4 vs. 5 on offense.
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Re: Is our roster constructed properly?
« Reply #55 on: April 10, 2025, 11:10:02 AM »

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« Reply #56 on: April 10, 2025, 11:21:10 AM »

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The predictable reaction anytime Walker scores points.  And somehow this proves that our roster is poorly constructed because we didn't sign Lonnie Walker?

So go down the roster, who on the Celtics right now is Walker better than?  And you can't count 2-way players.

Tillman  -  Sure, he has been a waste
Walsh  -   Walsh plays better defense and is on a rookie contract.
Scheierman - Again, rookie contract so hard to compare

The only one that you could have a realistic conversation about is Torrey Craig.  Would we be better with Walker over Torrey Craig?  Would this improve our roster construction?  Based on body of work, I give Craig a slight edge but it is hard to compare what Craig is doing on the Celtics to what Walker is doing on the Sixers.  Last night, Craig did a big fat nothing and Walker had a nice game scoring.

I actually think Craig is a better fit than Walker.  Neither is going to play much if at all in the playoffs, and if Craig is playing, we are either winning big or headed down the drain.  But there could be a situation where we need a little defense or another rebounder on the floor and Craig may get a chance in the playoffs.  I see no scenario where Walker ever sees a meaningful minute in the playoffs.

Do you know who he's definitively better than?

"15th Roster Spot -- Open"

But he doesn't' play or help if he isn't better than someone currently on the roster.  Why sign him just to fill a spot?

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« Reply #57 on: April 10, 2025, 11:28:53 AM »

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The predictable reaction anytime Walker scores points.  And somehow this proves that our roster is poorly constructed because we didn't sign Lonnie Walker?

So go down the roster, who on the Celtics right now is Walker better than?  And you can't count 2-way players.

Tillman  -  Sure, he has been a waste
Walsh  -   Walsh plays better defense and is on a rookie contract.
Scheierman - Again, rookie contract so hard to compare

The only one that you could have a realistic conversation about is Torrey Craig.  Would we be better with Walker over Torrey Craig?  Would this improve our roster construction?  Based on body of work, I give Craig a slight edge but it is hard to compare what Craig is doing on the Celtics to what Walker is doing on the Sixers.  Last night, Craig did a big fat nothing and Walker had a nice game scoring.

I actually think Craig is a better fit than Walker.  Neither is going to play much if at all in the playoffs, and if Craig is playing, we are either winning big or headed down the drain.  But there could be a situation where we need a little defense or another rebounder on the floor and Craig may get a chance in the playoffs.  I see no scenario where Walker ever sees a meaningful minute in the playoffs.

Do you know who he's definitively better than?

"15th Roster Spot -- Open"

But he doesn't' play or help if he isn't better than someone currently on the roster.  Why sign him just to fill a spot?

Because he can help in case of emergency.  He fills a role that we don't have:  instant offense.  Plus, I think almost all NBA fans would concede that he's a better player right now than most of the guys being debated.  But, regardless, it's pretty much axiomatic:  having an NBA-level player capable of playing is better than having nobody at all.


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Re: Is our roster constructed properly?
« Reply #58 on: April 10, 2025, 12:12:54 PM »

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But, regardless, it's pretty much axiomatic:  having an NBA-level player capable of playing is better than having nobody at all.

That may be (if he actually played in the playoffs which is doubtful) but that is not the question being debated.  The question being debated is if our roster is constructed properly, not whether Walker is better than nothing.  I think our roster is constructed just fine.  Adding Walker or not makes no difference.  I am not sure there are any roster issues and if there are, he doesn't solve them.  And I don't even buy the "in case of emergency" argument.  To me, he is about as useful in an emergency as Craig.  I don't consider last night's game an emergency in any case but sure, he may have helped in that game.  I don't know what real emergency exactly, and in particular a playoff emergency, that Walker would help with or what roster construction issue he solves.

Overall, I would not have any issue signing Walker to spot #15, even if he didn't play (in which case he would be kind of the same as nothing).  Which could be said of any number of potential #15 candidates.  The Celtics are really hung up on keeping the roster to 14 is seems.  I am sympathetic to the financial realities that would occur with a 15th guy, I understand why they are reluctant to sign a guy who won't play or help in the playoffs.  Maybe they elevate MVP Davison, who cares, he isn't going to help in any playoff emergency either.

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« Reply #59 on: April 10, 2025, 12:19:51 PM »

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The predictable reaction anytime Walker scores points.  And somehow this proves that our roster is poorly constructed because we didn't sign Lonnie Walker?

So go down the roster, who on the Celtics right now is Walker better than?  And you can't count 2-way players.

Tillman  -  Sure, he has been a waste
Walsh  -   Walsh plays better defense and is on a rookie contract.
Scheierman - Again, rookie contract so hard to compare

The only one that you could have a realistic conversation about is Torrey Craig.  Would we be better with Walker over Torrey Craig?  Would this improve our roster construction?  Based on body of work, I give Craig a slight edge but it is hard to compare what Craig is doing on the Celtics to what Walker is doing on the Sixers.  Last night, Craig did a big fat nothing and Walker had a nice game scoring.

I actually think Craig is a better fit than Walker.  Neither is going to play much if at all in the playoffs, and if Craig is playing, we are either winning big or headed down the drain.  But there could be a situation where we need a little defense or another rebounder on the floor and Craig may get a chance in the playoffs.  I see no scenario where Walker ever sees a meaningful minute in the playoffs.

Do you know who he's definitively better than?

"15th Roster Spot -- Open"

But he doesn't' play or help if he isn't better than someone currently on the roster.  Why sign him just to fill a spot?

Lonnie Walker is definitively better than all of the players listed above. That?s why he?s putting up good numbers for Philly and is a career 10ppg scorer.
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