Author Topic: Red Sox 2025 Season  (Read 737180 times)

0 Members and 0 Guests are viewing this topic.

Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
« Reply #225 on: August 29, 2025, 05:19:08 PM »

Offline Roy H.

  • Forums Manager
  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 63159
  • Tommy Points: -25460
  • Bo Knows: Joe Don't Know Diddley
Bye bye Buehler

Welp, at least he was a better pitcher than Nick Pivetta.

/sarcasm.


I'M THE SILVERBACK GORILLA IN THIS MOTHER... AND DON'T NONE OF YA'LL EVER FORGET IT!

KP / Giannis / Turkuglu / Jrue / Curry
Sabonis / Brand / A. Thompson / Oladipo / Brunson
Jordan / Bowen

Redshirt:  Cooper Flagg

Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
« Reply #226 on: August 29, 2025, 06:23:55 PM »

Offline Goldstar88

  • K.C. Jones
  • *************
  • Posts: 13658
  • Tommy Points: 1712
Bye bye Buehler

It?s fine we have Dusty May now.  :blank:
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
Quote
At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
« Reply #227 on: August 29, 2025, 11:11:18 PM »

Offline rocknrollforyoursoul

  • Danny Ainge
  • **********
  • Posts: 10164
  • Tommy Points: 350
Bye bye Buehler

Welp, at least he was a better pitcher than Nick Pivetta.

/sarcasm.

And better than Nathan Eovaldi.  ::)
There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, 'Thy will be done,' and those to whom God says, 'All right, then, have it your way.'

You don't have a soul. You are a Soul. You have a body.

C.S. Lewis

Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
« Reply #228 on: Yesterday at 09:33:54 AM »

Offline Redz

  • Punner
  • Global Moderator
  • Red Auerbach
  • *******************************
  • Posts: 31770
  • Tommy Points: 3847
  • Yup
Tolle was fun to watch.  Though I have to say, I thought the crowd wasn?t as into as I thought they?d be.  Seemed like a game they?d already won.  Maybe they thought that too.  That?s baseball..
Yup

Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
« Reply #229 on: Today at 12:12:49 AM »

Offline Goldstar88

  • K.C. Jones
  • *************
  • Posts: 13658
  • Tommy Points: 1712
Red Sox should cut May loose. He sucks. Can?t believe they gave up multiple prospects to get him.  :blank:
« Last Edit: Today at 12:24:21 AM by Goldstar88 »
Quoting Nick from the now locked Ime thread:
Quote
At some point you have to blame the performance on the court on the players on the court. Every loss is not the coach's fault and every win isn't because of the players.

Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
« Reply #230 on: Today at 12:57:18 AM »

Offline byennie

  • Webmaster
  • Jim Loscutoff
  • **
  • Posts: 2616
  • Tommy Points: 3047
I honestly can't follow the Sox reclamation project logic. I mean, I'm happy Giolito is looking good, but $19M for him and $21M on Buehler... $40M/year is enough to afford any pitcher in the league not named Ohtani. Why on Earth do you commit that kind of money where the best likely outcome is that one of the two becomes maybe... a #2 or #3 starter? They wouldn't be 100x better off nabbing Burnes or Wheeler even if they had to offer $45M/year?

So now we spent $40M this year, and because Giolito looks good we need to pay him $19M next year to be maybe our #4 starter?

Imagine if we had Wheeler instead and it was Crochet / Wheeler / Bello / Tolle...

Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
« Reply #231 on: Today at 10:00:48 AM »

Offline Vermont Green

  • K.C. Jones
  • *************
  • Posts: 13712
  • Tommy Points: 1029
Quote
The Boston Red Sox have gotten a head start on their offseason business. The Red Sox and All-Star closer Aroldis Chapman have agreed to a one-year, $13.3 million extension with a vesting option for 2027, keeping him out of free agency this winter and in Boston for at least one more season. Beisbol FR first reported the deal. The team has not yet announced the extension.

"As we can sit here today and we look at a closer having a historically good season, it has to be something that you consider," CBO Craig Breslow told the Boston Globe when asked about extending Chapman this past week. "Obviously it takes both sides to work through some things. I think he's been outspoken about how much he's enjoyed it here."

Chapman, 37, is having an off-the-charts good season. He is 26 for 28 in save chances with 74 strikeouts in 52 innings. He's walked a career-low 7.3% of batters faced, and opponents are hitting only .119 against him. Based on the contact quality he's allowed (exit velocity, etc.), Statcast pegs Chapman's expected ERA at 1.97 and his expected batting average against at .167.

Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
« Reply #232 on: Today at 11:10:49 AM »

Online Phantom255x

  • James Naismith
  • *********************************
  • Posts: 37107
  • Tommy Points: 3380
  • On To Banner 19!
I honestly can't follow the Sox reclamation project logic. I mean, I'm happy Giolito is looking good, but $19M for him and $21M on Buehler... $40M/year is enough to afford any pitcher in the league not named Ohtani. Why on Earth do you commit that kind of money where the best likely outcome is that one of the two becomes maybe... a #2 or #3 starter? They wouldn't be 100x better off nabbing Burnes or Wheeler even if they had to offer $45M/year?

So now we spent $40M this year, and because Giolito looks good we need to pay him $19M next year to be maybe our #4 starter?

Imagine if we had Wheeler instead and it was Crochet / Wheeler / Bello / Tolle...

Giolito has been the exception in a good way, but otherwise I 100% agree. Remember, they are also paying Patrick Sandoval 6M THIS season to literally just rehab and sit on his couch all year. He's owed another 12-13M next season. Then guys like Paxton, Hendriks, etc. over the years. You know, money that could be going to actual talent in the present. And then we have to hear about all the luxury tax ramifications, cost flexibility, etc.

I just hope they don't go into this offseason saying "oh we have Patrick Sandoval getting healthy and others coming back from injury so we don't need a #2 pitcher, and also we believe in Jordan Hicks bouncing back so no need for any other bullpen addition".
"Tough times never last, but tough people do." - Robert H. Schuller

Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
« Reply #233 on: Today at 11:34:27 AM »

Offline Redz

  • Punner
  • Global Moderator
  • Red Auerbach
  • *******************************
  • Posts: 31770
  • Tommy Points: 3847
  • Yup
They can not keep rolling May out there anymore either.  I can't believe Cora sent him back out there for the 6th when he barely escaped the 5th giving up just 3 runs.
Yup

Re: Red Sox 2025 Season
« Reply #234 on: Today at 01:16:32 PM »

Offline Vermont Green

  • K.C. Jones
  • *************
  • Posts: 13712
  • Tommy Points: 1029
I honestly can't follow the Sox reclamation project logic. I mean, I'm happy Giolito is looking good, but $19M for him and $21M on Buehler... $40M/year is enough to afford any pitcher in the league not named Ohtani. Why on Earth do you commit that kind of money where the best likely outcome is that one of the two becomes maybe... a #2 or #3 starter? They wouldn't be 100x better off nabbing Burnes or Wheeler even if they had to offer $45M/year?

So now we spent $40M this year, and because Giolito looks good we need to pay him $19M next year to be maybe our #4 starter?

Imagine if we had Wheeler instead and it was Crochet / Wheeler / Bello / Tolle...

Giolito has been the exception in a good way, but otherwise I 100% agree. Remember, they are also paying Patrick Sandoval 6M THIS season to literally just rehab and sit on his couch all year. He's owed another 12-13M next season. Then guys like Paxton, Hendriks, etc. over the years. You know, money that could be going to actual talent in the present. And then we have to hear about all the luxury tax ramifications, cost flexibility, etc.

I just hope they don't go into this offseason saying "oh we have Patrick Sandoval getting healthy and others coming back from injury so we don't need a #2 pitcher, and also we believe in Jordan Hicks bouncing back so no need for any other bullpen addition".

A lot of questionable deals along the way.  You can add trading Sale while paying much of his salary, different, but a waste of money nonetheless.

I think the idea is spreading the risk.  If you paid all that money to one pitcher, and he blows out his elbow, you have nothing.  And in the past, you had a general roster that was not that great.  By paying less money for multiple reclamation projects, you hope some work out while understanding that others won't.  But if you are going to play that game, you still need to produce results.  It is fair to judge on the results.

They signed Sale to a big contract, that went bad.  Then traded him in a way that made it worse.  Giolito is working out, Sandoval not so much.  Paxton I think was the old regime, but they did not get much out of him.  Trading for/Signing Crochet is a home run so far.  They went out and got Chapman and have now paid him.  So it is kind of hit or miss overall at this point, but trending in the right direction, I believe.

I expect that they will be players in the top end pitching market this off season.  They already have made a run at Joe Ryan (if you believe the reports).  The bottom line is making good deals.  I don't think you will see as many reclamation project deals moving forward.  I think the team/roster is at the point where will pursue the win now players.