Ben Simmons?

[Redz]

I?m guessing it was as just clickbait, but I saw an unsourced idea posted on Facebook by ?Celticsnation? that the Celts could go after Simmons if he is bought out by the Nets.  I?m not giving any credence to the post, but strictly as a hypothetical would that be something you?d do if he comes at the vet minimum? 

I?m torn by the idea.  I love a good reclamation story, and Boston seems like a perfect situation for that.  An opportunity to contribute to a winner in a specific , support role. 

However, I think that chances are it would ultimately fail because Simmons doesn?t seem like the kind of guy who would embrace that role.

I don?t think he would necessarily be a cancer, he just wouldn?t be good.

Your thoughts on this unsubstantiated hypothetical?

[Birdman]

I see if anyone is available if not I would, he may wake up finally

[Roy H.]

Salary cap rules prohibit us from signing any bought out player who was making more than the full Mid-Level Exception.  Simmons makes way more than that, so he's not a possibility.

[Vermont Green]

Salary cap rules prohibit us from signing any bought out player who was making more than the full Mid-Level Exception.  Simmons makes way more than that, so he's not a possibility.

Thankfully, I see no way that he helps our current team.  Taking on high risk projects is not where we should be looking.

What a wasted talent.

[Who]

I was going to make a post a week or two ago about how much physical & athletic decline Ben Simmons has gone through. It is shocking. He is no longer uber-athletic 6-10 player with the quickness of a guard. He is no longer even an above average athlete at 6-10. He is not even an average athlete at 6-10. It is shocking.

That back injury has destroyed him. It has destroyed his career. He no longer has those athletic advantages to create offensive advantages for him attacking the basket. He never had the skill-set to hit jump-shots so without the physical advantages his offensive game has cratered.

Not only has his offense declined but his defense has too. He was one of the best defenders in the NBA. Now he is just middle of the road defensively. Never learned how to play as a pivot. Not comfortable in the job. So he has to play PF defense. He doesn't have the quickness anymore to cover wings (SGs, SFs) nevermind smaller guards.

The narrative on him about the yips ... yeah, there is some truth to that but it has completely stopped the media & many fans from talking about how that back injury has devastated his career. How much he is lost physically & athletically.

It was like with Dwight Howard who went from an MVP candidate to an All-NBA to an All-Star to a starter to a bench player within about 5-6 years after his back injury. Only with Ben Simmons the physicaly decline has not been gradual. It has been immediate and permanent. He is gone. He didn't get a few more good years like Dwight did. Simmons got the low minute bench player level. And frankly, Dwight had a skill-set (defensive anchor, rebounder) better suited to being an effective low minute than Simmons does (average defense/rebound PF, awful offense).

[Redz]

Salary cap rules prohibit us from signing any bought out player who was making more than the full Mid-Level Exception.  Simmons makes way more than that, so he's not a possibility.

So it was utter clickbait.  There was a spirited debate about him,, but based on absolutely nothing.

So let's switch to Who's point.  Yes, it is sad and shocking to how bad he has declined.

[Roy H.]

Salary cap rules prohibit us from signing any bought out player who was making more than the full Mid-Level Exception.  Simmons makes way more than that, so he's not a possibility.

So it was utter clickbait.  There was a spirited debate about him,, but based on absolutely nothing.

So let's switch to Who's point.  Yes, it is sad and shocking to how bad he has declined.

Yep, I remember that draft well.  There were a clear-cut top eight (although I considered it a top nine) among draft prognosticators, with Simmons and Ingram the two absolute blue-chippers.  After them, it was some order of:

Kris Dunn, Dragan Bender, Jamal Murray, Jaylen Brown, Marquese Chriss, Buddy Hield

Then most mocks had Jakob Poeltl, who I had in the mix for the top eight.

Jaylen had been #3 in most mock drafts until the college season ended, and then you started seeing him falling as far as 8th in projections.  Most had Dunn as the 3rd prospect.  But, again, #1 and #2 were set in stone as Simmons and Ingram.

Looking back, this draft could have been a minefield for Danny.  Instead, he hit an absolute grand slam.  I don't think he gets enough credit for that.

[Donoghus]

Salary cap rules prohibit us from signing any bought out player who was making more than the full Mid-Level Exception.  Simmons makes way more than that, so he's not a possibility.

So it was utter clickbait.  There was a spirited debate about him,, but based on absolutely nothing.

So let's switch to Who's point.  Yes, it is sad and shocking to how bad he has declined.

Yep, I remember that draft well.  There were a clear-cut top eight (although I considered it a top nine) among draft prognosticators, with Simmons and Ingram the two absolute blue-chippers.  After them, it was some order of:

Kris Dunn, Dragan Bender, Jamal Murray, Jaylen Brown, Marquese Chriss, Buddy Hield

Then most mocks had Jakob Poeltl, who I had in the mix for the top eight.

Jaylen had been #3 in most mock drafts until the college season ended, and then you started seeing him falling as far as 8th in projections.  Most had Dunn as the 3rd prospect.  But, again, #1 and #2 were set in stone as Simmons and Ingram.

Looking back, this draft could have been a minefield for Danny.  Instead, he hit an absolute grand slam.  I don't think he gets enough credit for that.

I remember the board being extremely split on who to draft.  It was all over the place.  There were pretty decent Dunn & Chriss contingents.  Bender was easily the most polarizing prospect of the bunch.  Brown was certainly discussed but I seem to remember that he was not the most discussed prospect on here.

Needless to say, glad Danny made the choice & not us.

[Vermont Green]

Salary cap rules prohibit us from signing any bought out player who was making more than the full Mid-Level Exception.  Simmons makes way more than that, so he's not a possibility.

So it was utter clickbait.  There was a spirited debate about him,, but based on absolutely nothing.

So let's switch to Who's point.  Yes, it is sad and shocking to how bad he has declined.

Yep, I remember that draft well.  There were a clear-cut top eight (although I considered it a top nine) among draft prognosticators, with Simmons and Ingram the two absolute blue-chippers.  After them, it was some order of:

Kris Dunn, Dragan Bender, Jamal Murray, Jaylen Brown, Marquese Chriss, Buddy Hield

Then most mocks had Jakob Poeltl, who I had in the mix for the top eight.

Jaylen had been #3 in most mock drafts until the college season ended, and then you started seeing him falling as far as 8th in projections.  Most had Dunn as the 3rd prospect.  But, again, #1 and #2 were set in stone as Simmons and Ingram.

Looking back, this draft could have been a minefield for Danny.  Instead, he hit an absolute grand slam.  I don't think he gets enough credit for that.

I remember the board being extremely split on who to draft.  It was all over the place.  There were pretty decent Dunn & Chriss contingents.  Bender was easily the most polarizing prospect of the bunch.  Brown was certainly discussed but I seem to remember that he was not the most discussed prospect on here.

Needless to say, glad Danny made the choice & not us.

Drafting is generally very uncertain, that was certainly the case for that draft.  I was sold on Simmons and Ingram as the 2 best at the time.  Ingram has turned into a very solid NBA player, certainly not a bust.  Simmons was on track to be a generational talent until the mental and physical issues set in.  After that, I remember thinking you could put 4 or 5 names in a hat and pick one.

Brown was the right pick for us for sure

[Amonkey]

Salary cap rules prohibit us from signing any bought out player who was making more than the full Mid-Level Exception.  Simmons makes way more than that, so he's not a possibility.

So it was utter clickbait.  There was a spirited debate about him,, but based on absolutely nothing.

So let's switch to Who's point.  Yes, it is sad and shocking to how bad he has declined.

Yep, I remember that draft well.  There were a clear-cut top eight (although I considered it a top nine) among draft prognosticators, with Simmons and Ingram the two absolute blue-chippers.  After them, it was some order of:

Kris Dunn, Dragan Bender, Jamal Murray, Jaylen Brown, Marquese Chriss, Buddy Hield

Then most mocks had Jakob Poeltl, who I had in the mix for the top eight.

Jaylen had been #3 in most mock drafts until the college season ended, and then you started seeing him falling as far as 8th in projections.  Most had Dunn as the 3rd prospect.  But, again, #1 and #2 were set in stone as Simmons and Ingram.

Looking back, this draft could have been a minefield for Danny.  Instead, he hit an absolute grand slam.  I don't think he gets enough credit for that.

I remember the board being extremely split on who to draft.  It was all over the place.  There were pretty decent Dunn & Chriss contingents.  Bender was easily the most polarizing prospect of the bunch.  Brown was certainly discussed but I seem to remember that he was not the most discussed prospect on here.

Needless to say, glad Danny made the choice & not us.

Drafting is generally very uncertain, that was certainly the case for that draft.  I was sold on Simmons and Ingram as the 2 best at the time.  Ingram has turned into a very solid NBA player, certainly not a bust.  Simmons was on track to be a generational talent until the mental and physical issues set in.  After that, I remember thinking you could put 4 or 5 names in a hat and pick one.

Brown was the right pick for us for sure

I think Murray and Hield are definitely good players. Murray can be a real beast and Hield is a good shooter, but it also took time for them to develop to be the players they are today. As Roy mentioned, Danny definitely chose the best of the class (in my opinion).

[bdm860]

Salary cap rules prohibit us from signing any bought out player who was making more than the full Mid-Level Exception.  Simmons makes way more than that, so he's not a possibility.

So it was utter clickbait.  There was a spirited debate about him,, but based on absolutely nothing.

So let's switch to Who's point.  Yes, it is sad and shocking to how bad he has declined.

Yep, I remember that draft well.  There were a clear-cut top eight (although I considered it a top nine) among draft prognosticators, with Simmons and Ingram the two absolute blue-chippers.  After them, it was some order of:

Kris Dunn, Dragan Bender, Jamal Murray, Jaylen Brown, Marquese Chriss, Buddy Hield

Then most mocks had Jakob Poeltl, who I had in the mix for the top eight.

Jaylen had been #3 in most mock drafts until the college season ended, and then you started seeing him falling as far as 8th in projections.  Most had Dunn as the 3rd prospect.  But, again, #1 and #2 were set in stone as Simmons and Ingram.

Looking back, this draft could have been a minefield for Danny.  Instead, he hit an absolute grand slam.  I don't think he gets enough credit for that.

I remember the board being extremely split on who to draft.  It was all over the place.  There were pretty decent Dunn & Chriss contingents.  Bender was easily the most polarizing prospect of the bunch.  Brown was certainly discussed but I seem to remember that he was not the most discussed prospect on here.

Needless to say, glad Danny made the choice & not us.

Let's not forget there was also a rumor (and a few people here strongly in support of it) of trading that #3 for Noel!

On the Ben Simmons front, while it was most likely nonsense click bait, it doesn't exclude the possibility of the C's picking him up in the offseason. One of the benefits I enjoy when your team is the most appealing contender is being first in line to grab any bargain basement cast offs (if you want them). Could he be some bizarro world Al Horford replacement? I struggle to see it (for a variety of reasons), but will admit I'm always intrigued by a reclamation project, so giving this more thought than I should.

Even if the C's did sign Simmons, and the league wide reaction is, "OMG the C's signed Ben Simmons for a vet min, how is this fair!" I'm pretty sure it would turn out more like the Cavs signing Larry Sanders, or the Heat signing Eddy Curry and Greg Oden, or the Clippers signing John Wall, etc. Former big name, but no impact.

[Redz]

Salary cap rules prohibit us from signing any bought out player who was making more than the full Mid-Level Exception.  Simmons makes way more than that, so he's not a possibility.

So it was utter clickbait.  There was a spirited debate about him,, but based on absolutely nothing.

So let's switch to Who's point.  Yes, it is sad and shocking to how bad he has declined.

Yep, I remember that draft well.  There were a clear-cut top eight (although I considered it a top nine) among draft prognosticators, with Simmons and Ingram the two absolute blue-chippers.  After them, it was some order of:

Kris Dunn, Dragan Bender, Jamal Murray, Jaylen Brown, Marquese Chriss, Buddy Hield

Then most mocks had Jakob Poeltl, who I had in the mix for the top eight.

Jaylen had been #3 in most mock drafts until the college season ended, and then you started seeing him falling as far as 8th in projections.  Most had Dunn as the 3rd prospect.  But, again, #1 and #2 were set in stone as Simmons and Ingram.

Looking back, this draft could have been a minefield for Danny.  Instead, he hit an absolute grand slam.  I don't think he gets enough credit for that.

I remember the board being extremely split on who to draft.  It was all over the place.  There were pretty decent Dunn & Chriss contingents.  Bender was easily the most polarizing prospect of the bunch.  Brown was certainly discussed but I seem to remember that he was not the most discussed prospect on here.

Needless to say, glad Danny made the choice & not us.

Let's not forget there was also a rumor (and a few people here strongly in support of it) of trading that #3 for Noel!

On the Ben Simmons front, while it was most likely nonsense click bait, it doesn't exclude the possibility of the C's picking him up in the offseason. One of the benefits I enjoy when your team is the most appealing contender is being first in line to grab any bargain basement cast offs (if you want them). Could he be some bizarro world Al Horford replacement? I struggle to see it (for a variety of reasons), but will admit I'm always intrigued by a reclamation project, so giving this more thought than I should.

Even if the C's did sign Simmons, and the league wide reaction is, "OMG the C's signed Ben Simmons for a vet min, how is this fair!" I'm pretty sure it would turn out more like the Cavs signing Larry Sanders, or the Heat signing Eddy Curry and Greg Oden, or the Clippers signing John Wall, etc. Former big name, but no impact.

I do love a reclamation project too.  Or a late career - see if you can squeeze anything more out of them pickup.  Mwrbury..Dominique etc?

[ozgod]

Ben's agent getting desperate 


https://x.com/bballforever_/status/1867389978600435760

We ain't giving him PP's jersey neither...best No.11 we ever had 

[Surferdad]

Let?s just cut through the riff-raff: Ben Simmons does not fit into the Celtics style of play because he cannot shoot and doesn?t want to shoot.

[Birdman]

If Simmons only option out there, ok but should be better ones coming up