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Re: Raptors (2-11) at Celtics (10-3) Game #14 11/16/24
« Reply #120 on: November 16, 2024, 10:47:21 PM »

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Q had a nice game...12pts,8rebs,2assists,1blck and 0 turnovers.
and i thought he made a few good and timely plays on defense and offense.

PBS does seem to be good a finding decent players and developing them. i hope queta keeps it up.
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Re: Raptors (2-11) at Celtics (10-3) Game #14 11/16/24
« Reply #121 on: November 16, 2024, 10:48:20 PM »

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Simply can?t stand the extreme focus on threes this year.

1000% agree - it has gone way too far.

Agree - way too many threes.  They?re so good that they?re 11-3 despite the over reliance on the deep ball.

Re: Raptors (2-11) at Celtics (10-3) Game #14 11/16/24
« Reply #122 on: November 16, 2024, 10:48:31 PM »

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That was such a bad shot by Tatum. It was a tie game. You do not need a 3. Take a 15 footer. Not a 28-30 foot step back 3.

Lucky play. Not a good play.

I mean, it was a broken play. It was clearly meant to go to Brown coming around that curl off the high screen, but when he went down and they didn?t call a foul, he had to make a play.

Yeah, we've seen the call for the bad Tatum iso plenty of times.  That play was meant for Brown, and according to JT also had a lob option.

Awesome make.


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Re: Raptors (2-11) at Celtics (10-3) Game #14 11/16/24
« Reply #123 on: November 16, 2024, 10:50:09 PM »

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Q had a nice game...12pts,8rebs,2assists,1blck and 0 turnovers.

And he had a great block on RJ Barrett towards the end of OT after Brown played great defense on him.  Big Q has been really good for us, even last season.

Re: Raptors (2-11) at Celtics (10-3) Game #14 11/16/24
« Reply #124 on: November 16, 2024, 10:50:25 PM »

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Simply can?t stand the extreme focus on threes this year.

1000% agree - it has gone way too far.

Agree - way too many threes.  They?re so good that they?re 11-3 despite the over reliance on the deep ball.
like it or not, this reliance on 3s is resulting a lot of wins and at least one championship so far.
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Re: Raptors (2-11) at Celtics (10-3) Game #14 11/16/24
« Reply #125 on: November 16, 2024, 10:53:01 PM »

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I don't know how i feel about how we play, we give up layups like they dont count...Interior defense is horrible it just takes effort is joe telling them to give up 2s and make 3s i don't get it. plus we not rebounding well..Poetl could have had 40 tonight.

Re: Raptors (2-11) at Celtics (10-3) Game #14 11/16/24
« Reply #126 on: November 16, 2024, 10:56:55 PM »

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Lol Queta for 3.  We deserve to lose this game.

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Re: Raptors (2-11) at Celtics (10-3) Game #14 11/16/24
« Reply #127 on: November 16, 2024, 10:57:01 PM »

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Q had a nice game...12pts,8rebs,2assists,1blck and 0 turnovers.

And he had a great block on RJ Barrett towards the end of OT after Brown played great defense on him.  Big Q has been really good for us, even last season.

There will be growing pains but I think an upside of Porzingis being out is that Queta has really shown growth over the past offseason + this season and I think that's going to be very valuable for the team and Queta going forward.

It's not always pretty but even guys like Hauser and Pritchard needed some time and had to experience growing pains to become very nice role players in the league.

Queta's skillset is really good though, and if he can continue to enhance it then he can absolutely be part of the playoff rotation.
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Re: Raptors (2-11) at Celtics (10-3) Game #14 11/16/24
« Reply #128 on: November 16, 2024, 11:00:16 PM »

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I don't know how i feel about how we play, we give up layups like they dont count...Interior defense is horrible it just takes effort is joe telling them to give up 2s and make 3s i don't get it. plus we not rebounding well..Poetl could have had 40 tonight.
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Re: Raptors (2-11) at Celtics (10-3) Game #14 11/16/24
« Reply #129 on: November 16, 2024, 11:19:17 PM »

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That was such a bad shot by Tatum. It was a tie game. You do not need a 3. Take a 15 footer. Not a 28-30 foot step back 3.

Lucky play. Not a good play.

According to Joe that wasn't how they drew it up, they wanted to get the ball to Jaylen and possibly get it back in to Tatum closer to the paint. But Jaylen got blocked off the ball and Tatum had to improvise. But yes definitely a fluke shot.
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Re: Raptors (2-11) at Celtics (10-3) Game #14 11/16/24
« Reply #130 on: November 16, 2024, 11:24:37 PM »

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That was such a bad shot by Tatum. It was a tie game. You do not need a 3. Take a 15 footer. Not a 28-30 foot step back 3.

Lucky play. Not a good play.

I mean, it was a broken play. It was clearly meant to go to Brown coming around that curl off the high screen, but when he went down and they didn?t call a foul, he had to make a quick play with a few seconds left.
Exactly!  JT said as much to Abby. A lot or pass to JB, and he had to improvise.

Re: Raptors (2-11) at Celtics (10-3) Game #14 11/16/24
« Reply #131 on: November 16, 2024, 11:35:28 PM »

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Worst thing that could have happened

That it went in and will encourage him to do it more  :laugh:

Exactly ........ and will encourage Joe to keep calling the Tatum iso at the end of games.
That was luck. He completely bricked the open shot end of regulation.

I was happy it went in, but the more I think of it I agree with you. It was a bad play.

Let's be fair though, that's not how they drew it up. According to Joe the plan was to have Jaylen curl around and get the ball and JT to either screen him or post up to get a closer shot, but Jaylen got fouled with no call and they had to improvise with 5 sec to go.
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Re: Raptors (2-11) at Celtics (10-3) Game #14 11/16/24
« Reply #132 on: November 16, 2024, 11:49:29 PM »

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Simply can?t stand the extreme focus on threes this year.

1000% agree - it has gone way too far.

Celts put up 61 three's tonite @ 34% - ridiculous.

Yeah, they will never win a championship shooting a lot of 3?s. That?s for sure.
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Re: Raptors (2-11) at Celtics (10-3) Game #14 11/16/24
« Reply #133 on: November 17, 2024, 01:25:53 AM »

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Simply can?t stand the extreme focus on threes this year.

1000% agree - it has gone way too far.

Celts put up 61 three's tonite @ 34% - ridiculous.

Yeah, they will never win a championship shooting a lot of 3?s. That?s for sure.

It's interesting looking at the shot margins:

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Celtics Raptors
Total FG Attempted 99 98
Total FG Made 44 50
% Made 44.4% 51.0%

2pt FG Attempted 38 75
2pt FG Made 23 41
% Made 60.5% 54.7%

3pt FG Attempted 61 23
3pt FG Made 21 9
% Made 34.4% 39.1%

2pt FG attempts as % of total 38.4% 76.5%
3pt FG attempts as % of total 61.6% 23.5%

2pt FG made as % of total made 52.3% 82%
3pt FG made as % of total made 47.7% 18%

Total pts from 2s 46 82
Total pts from 3s 63 27

FT attempted 17 14
FT made 19 21
% made 89.5% 66.7%

So if you were a stat nerd, what would you parse out of this? Each team took about the same number of shots (99 v 98), but 2 in every 3 of our attempts was a 3, while for Toronto 3 in every 4 was a 2. So they took nearly 2x as many 2s as we did, and shot them at 55%. We took half as many 2s and shot slightly better, at 60%. So of our points total, 46 points was from 2s and theirs was 82.

In terms of threes, we took 3x as many as they did (61) and made about a third, so our total points from 3s was 63 points. They took 23 3s and made 9, a bit over a third (40%) for a points total from 3s of 27 points.

So, of the points we scored from field goals, 60% came from beyond the arc while 80% of theirs came from within the arc. Because we took higher value shots, even though we missed more of them, it turned out to be a wash in terms of points (109 vs 109). They had to make 6 more shots than we did to get the same number of points.

Where we won the game really, was in the fact that we made 17 or 19 from the line, they made 14 of 21. That's our 3 point margin right there.

I think for folks who grew up in a time when people weren't just raining what we feel are lower percentage shots from behind the arc all the time, it feels like they're just "chucking" - because as the inimiatable @Kernewek once said, in a game thread, we have two states - happy and sad. When the ball goes thru the rim we are happy. When it doesn't we are sad. And if they are taking more 3s they will miss more shots, so we probably had more moments of sadness in the game than the Raptors fans, because they watched their team make 6 more shots than we did. And when we do make a 3, we don't become 33% more happy because the shot was worth more, because happiness and sadness is a binary thing. And it's quickly forgotten when the next shot is missed  :police:

But if I had to hazard a guess, all their stats nerds know this and this is why they're ok with 60 3s attempts because as long as they make enough of them, eventually the other team will have to make a lot more shots than we do to just break even. The issue becomes when we don't make enough of them, and that's when we go beyond sad, to mad  :angel:
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Re: Raptors (2-11) at Celtics (10-3) Game #14 11/16/24
« Reply #134 on: November 17, 2024, 01:43:17 AM »

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Glad to see Tatum redeem himself. Pretty ironic he botches that play and takes an awful shot and drains it, only after getting a wide open 18-footer and missed the rim completely.

Don?t mind the exorbitant amount of threes. As long as they are good looks. Wide-open threes for about 8 of our guys is a great shot. Better than a dunk? No? but you take that shot every time it?s given.

The (slight) concern is paint protection. We are giving up too many points in the paint and second chances. KP should help with that.

But let?s face it; it?s hard to get up for every game while the opponent wants to knock us off at all costs.

The Cavs game will be interesting because this is their first REAL statement game (opening night was fine to show the Knicks where they really stand, and the Warriors game was personal for one player).
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