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Re: Xavier Tillman's Role
« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2024, 11:15:12 AM »

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I don't disagree with any of the comments about the limited ability of Watson and Walsh.  But right now, Tillman is not playing like an NBA player either.  I hope this MIL game is a better match up for him.  Maybe he will start to work out of his slump/funk.  My point was that maybe some time in the G-League, running with Scheierman and Davison, would do him some good.

That would only make sense once Kornet is back.  Kornet is questionable for today.  I wouldn't want Watson or whoever to actually play, they would just fill the deep bench role, used only in emergency.  Horford, Kornet, and Queta could eat up the required big minutes without Tillman.  If Kornet is out, and maybe in any case, they are probably going to use Tillman today vs MIL.  But he has to be something better than the total liability that he has been most of the season and in particular the last 4 or 5 games.

I believe that Tillman can be better than he has been showing lately.  But is it smart to keep giving him rotation minutes to work out of whatever it is he is stuck in?  Maybe, I don't know.  He was -14 in 6 minutes last game.  -18 in the last 4 games (he played in 3 of those 4).  He is the only regular player who has a negative +/- in that span.  Kornet and Walsh are both +3 in that span.  All of the other regulars are between +14 (Horford) and +54 (Queta) in that span.  It is crazy how bad the team has been with Tillman.  Brown has not played in those last 4 games, that could be a factor, but they are doing just fine except when Tillman is on the floor.  -18 with Tillman, +56 without Tillman in the last 4 games.

Re: Xavier Tillman's Role
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2024, 05:44:47 PM »

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I don't think Tillman is right, physically. If I remember right, he was dealing with swelling all last season and then had a knee scope in the offseason. I think I had reasonable expectations for what he'd bring to the team but he just hasn't produced.
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Re: Xavier Tillman's Role
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2024, 06:05:05 PM »

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I don't think Tillman is right, physically. If I remember right, he was dealing with swelling all last season and then had a knee scope in the offseason. I think I had reasonable expectations for what he'd bring to the team but he just hasn't produced.

He doesn't look the same player that played for Memphis 2 years ago. He was never a great athlete but he was alright. He looks awful now. Not moving well at all. And he lacks the true size (height, length) to make up for it.

Re: Xavier Tillman's Role
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2024, 10:26:54 PM »

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Trade him. 

Re: Xavier Tillman's Role
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2024, 09:43:03 AM »

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Trade him.

I'm guessing they try to trade him for a second round pick or two.  They aren't using him and Brad likes his assetts.


Re: Xavier Tillman's Role
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2024, 03:16:49 PM »

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I don't think Tillman is right, physically. If I remember right, he was dealing with swelling all last season and then had a knee scope in the offseason. I think I had reasonable expectations for what he'd bring to the team but he just hasn't produced.

He doesn't look the same player that played for Memphis 2 years ago. He was never a great athlete but he was alright. He looks awful now. Not moving well at all. And he lacks the true size (height, length) to make up for it.

He never plays. 7'2" wingspan and a 8'10" standing reach... I think he would've been the guy to match up with JJJ the other night. JJJ  7′ 5.25? wingspan, 9′ 2? standing reach. Tillman is strong with quick feet.

Re: Xavier Tillman's Role
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2024, 04:51:37 PM »

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I don't think Tillman is right, physically. If I remember right, he was dealing with swelling all last season and then had a knee scope in the offseason. I think I had reasonable expectations for what he'd bring to the team but he just hasn't produced.

He doesn't look the same player that played for Memphis 2 years ago. He was never a great athlete but he was alright. He looks awful now. Not moving well at all. And he lacks the true size (height, length) to make up for it.

He never plays. 7'2" wingspan and a 8'10" standing reach... I think he would've been the guy to match up with JJJ the other night. JJJ  7′ 5.25? wingspan, 9′ 2? standing reach. Tillman is strong with quick feet.
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Re: Xavier Tillman's Role
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2024, 06:45:04 PM »

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I don't think Tillman is right, physically. If I remember right, he was dealing with swelling all last season and then had a knee scope in the offseason. I think I had reasonable expectations for what he'd bring to the team but he just hasn't produced.

He doesn't look the same player that played for Memphis 2 years ago. He was never a great athlete but he was alright. He looks awful now. Not moving well at all. And he lacks the true size (height, length) to make up for it.

He never plays. 7'2" wingspan and a 8'10" standing reach... I think he would've been the guy to match up with JJJ the other night. JJJ  7′ 5.25? wingspan, 9′ 2? standing reach. Tillman is strong with quick feet.
Whose feet are you watching?

https://www.tiktok.com/@swishcultures/video/7380039758707313963

Re: Xavier Tillman's Role
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2024, 07:16:55 PM »

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I don't think Tillman is right, physically. If I remember right, he was dealing with swelling all last season and then had a knee scope in the offseason. I think I had reasonable expectations for what he'd bring to the team but he just hasn't produced.

He doesn't look the same player that played for Memphis 2 years ago. He was never a great athlete but he was alright. He looks awful now. Not moving well at all. And he lacks the true size (height, length) to make up for it.

He never plays. 7'2" wingspan and a 8'10" standing reach... I think he would've been the guy to match up with JJJ the other night. JJJ  7′ 5.25? wingspan, 9′ 2? standing reach. Tillman is strong with quick feet.
Whose feet are you watching?

https://www.tiktok.com/@swishcultures/video/7380039758707313963

That was from the playoffs, though. He doesn?t look right this season.
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Re: Xavier Tillman's Role
« Reply #39 on: December 12, 2024, 07:24:23 PM »

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I don't think Tillman is right, physically. If I remember right, he was dealing with swelling all last season and then had a knee scope in the offseason. I think I had reasonable expectations for what he'd bring to the team but he just hasn't produced.

He doesn't look the same player that played for Memphis 2 years ago. He was never a great athlete but he was alright. He looks awful now. Not moving well at all. And he lacks the true size (height, length) to make up for it.

He never plays. 7'2" wingspan and a 8'10" standing reach... I think he would've been the guy to match up with JJJ the other night. JJJ  7′ 5.25? wingspan, 9′ 2? standing reach. Tillman is strong with quick feet.
Whose feet are you watching?

https://www.tiktok.com/@swishcultures/video/7380039758707313963

That was from the playoffs, though. He doesn?t look right this season.

He hasn't played.

Re: Xavier Tillman's Role
« Reply #40 on: December 12, 2024, 08:02:21 PM »

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I don't think Tillman is right, physically. If I remember right, he was dealing with swelling all last season and then had a knee scope in the offseason. I think I had reasonable expectations for what he'd bring to the team but he just hasn't produced.

He doesn't look the same player that played for Memphis 2 years ago. He was never a great athlete but he was alright. He looks awful now. Not moving well at all. And he lacks the true size (height, length) to make up for it.

He never plays. 7'2" wingspan and a 8'10" standing reach... I think he would've been the guy to match up with JJJ the other night. JJJ  7′ 5.25? wingspan, 9′ 2? standing reach. Tillman is strong with quick feet.
Whose feet are you watching?

https://www.tiktok.com/@swishcultures/video/7380039758707313963

That was from the playoffs, though. He doesn?t look right this season.

He hasn't played.

Sure he has. Played in 15 games this year.
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Re: Xavier Tillman's Role
« Reply #41 on: December 12, 2024, 08:32:45 PM »

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I don't think Tillman is right, physically. If I remember right, he was dealing with swelling all last season and then had a knee scope in the offseason. I think I had reasonable expectations for what he'd bring to the team but he just hasn't produced.

He doesn't look the same player that played for Memphis 2 years ago. He was never a great athlete but he was alright. He looks awful now. Not moving well at all. And he lacks the true size (height, length) to make up for it.

He never plays. 7'2" wingspan and a 8'10" standing reach... I think he would've been the guy to match up with JJJ the other night. JJJ  7′ 5.25? wingspan, 9′ 2? standing reach. Tillman is strong with quick feet.
Whose feet are you watching?

https://www.tiktok.com/@swishcultures/video/7380039758707313963

That was from the playoffs, though. He doesn?t look right this season.

He hasn't played.

Sure he has. Played in 15 games this year.

Not enough meaningful minutes, many of those appearances were mop-up duty.

At least play the guy some regular minutes that he can count on, even if it's only 6 minutes each half of each game.
Minutes when the game is competitive and his performance matters. We all saw what regular playing time did for Hauser and Pritchard.
This team needs inside muscle, which Tillman and Queta can provide.
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Re: Xavier Tillman's Role
« Reply #42 on: December 12, 2024, 08:49:34 PM »

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I don't think Tillman is right, physically. If I remember right, he was dealing with swelling all last season and then had a knee scope in the offseason. I think I had reasonable expectations for what he'd bring to the team but he just hasn't produced.

He doesn't look the same player that played for Memphis 2 years ago. He was never a great athlete but he was alright. He looks awful now. Not moving well at all. And he lacks the true size (height, length) to make up for it.

He never plays. 7'2" wingspan and a 8'10" standing reach... I think he would've been the guy to match up with JJJ the other night. JJJ  7′ 5.25? wingspan, 9′ 2? standing reach. Tillman is strong with quick feet.
Whose feet are you watching?

https://www.tiktok.com/@swishcultures/video/7380039758707313963

That was from the playoffs, though. He doesn?t look right this season.

He hasn't played.

Sure he has. Played in 15 games this year.

Not enough meaningful minutes, many of those appearances were mop-up duty.

At least play the guy some regular minutes that he can count on, even if it's only 6 minutes each half of each game.
Minutes when the game is competitive and his performance matters. We all saw what regular playing time did for Hauser and Pritchard.
This team needs inside muscle, which Tillman and Queta can provide.

X needs to practice better and earn the minutes then. There?s a reason he?s not playing and Queta is.
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Re: Xavier Tillman's Role
« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2024, 05:22:31 AM »

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I don't think minutes matter much when it comes to how well you move / how quick you are / how agile you are.

Minutes matter in terms of shooting. Not athleticism.

Re: Xavier Tillman's Role
« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2024, 09:39:52 PM »

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How would you know how well he is practicing or how much effort he is putting into it ? We don't know.

As far as Tillman not being athletic enough, if they think that, why acquire him to begin with and then why keep him another season ?

We are good enough to give the guy regular playing time and our core needs less minutes anyway.
Joe is gonna run Tatum and Brown into the ground. Tatum is near the top of the league in minutes, never mind the recent late season runs and the Olympic and USA Basketball participation. It's good he is being rested presently through the current break in the schedule.
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