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Re: ESPN top 100 athletes of the 2000's
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2024, 10:26:14 AM »

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Serena seems high to me.  The men are similarly accomplished and did so overlapping their primes while Serena had no rival.  And Novak, in particular, ended up with more Grand Slams, more Grand Slam wins, more wins, more wins against top 10 players, more weeks at #1, etc. than Serena did   I get Novak is not well liked, but there really isn't much of objective measure to put Serena ahead of Novak except for doubles, which they didn't even mention.  Had they used the doubles with her sister as a tiebreaker, I think it could at least be defended, but the snippets they put, especially the pregnancy stuff, make it much less about the actual sport of it.

Yeah.  If three of the top-12 athletes are male tennis players, and ND came along and won the most titles of all-time during that time period, he's the greatest of the 2000s.

Serena was much more of a cultural icon.  In terms of tennis accomplishments, she's very slightly lower.

How many hockey players made the top-100?  They seem a bit underrepresented.


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Re: ESPN top 100 athletes of the 2000's
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2024, 10:47:12 AM »

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Serena seems high to me.  The men are similarly accomplished and did so overlapping their primes while Serena had no rival.  And Novak, in particular, ended up with more Grand Slams, more Grand Slam wins, more wins, more wins against top 10 players, more weeks at #1, etc. than Serena did   I get Novak is not well liked, but there really isn't much of objective measure to put Serena ahead of Novak except for doubles, which they didn't even mention.  Had they used the doubles with her sister as a tiebreaker, I think it could at least be defended, but the snippets they put, especially the pregnancy stuff, make it much less about the actual sport of it.

Yeah.  If three of the top-12 athletes are male tennis players, and ND came along and won the most titles of all-time during that time period, he's the greatest of the 2000s.

Serena was much more of a cultural icon.  In terms of tennis accomplishments, she's very slightly lower.

How many hockey players made the top-100?  They seem a bit underrepresented.
plus, Andy Murray was on the list before Venus who was the only other women's tennis player.  Novak behind Federer is also very strange to me, but at least Federer has more wins than Novak (less grand slams, but more tourney wins overall).

There are 3 hockey guys - Crosby, Overchkin, and McDavid.  I'm not a big hockey fan, but that seems right. The hockey hey day was the 80's and 90's, not too many all time greats since then so them having less than the other sports doesn't seem all that strange.
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« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2024, 10:59:26 AM »

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If there is a hockey player that should've made it that's not on there, it's gotta Nicklas Lidstrom.


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Re: ESPN top 100 athletes of the 2000's
« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2024, 11:43:32 AM »

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If there is a hockey player that should've made it that's not on there, it's gotta Nicklas Lidstrom.
almost half his career was in the 90's which I'm sure factored in.
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Re: ESPN top 100 athletes of the 2000's
« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2024, 11:48:14 AM »

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If there is a hockey player that should've made it that's not on there, it's gotta Nicklas Lidstrom.
almost half his career was in the 90's which I'm sure factored in.

While true, he won 2 Stanley Cups and 7 Norris Trophies (and I think a couple of gold medals?) in the 2000s.


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« Reply #50 on: July 18, 2024, 11:56:58 AM »

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If there is a hockey player that should've made it that's not on there, it's gotta Nicklas Lidstrom.
almost half his career was in the 90's which I'm sure factored in.

While true, he won 2 Stanley Cups and 7 Norris Trophies (and I think a couple of gold medals?) in the 2000s.

1 gold.  Won a Conn Smythe.  8 First teams and 2 second teams.  Plus, like you mentioned, the two Cups and 7 Norris trophies.

That's a strong resume to crack the top 100.


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« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2024, 02:15:57 PM »

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Tim Duncan is comically low imo

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Just don?t see golf as a ?athletic? sport

How about bowling, Cornhole, billiards, or darts?  The difference between these and golf isn?t really that much.  More walking in golf I guess.   

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Just don?t see golf as a ?athletic? sport

How about bowling, Cornhole, billiards, or darts?  The difference between these and golf isn?t really that much.  More walking in golf I guess.   

Definitely more strength is required for golf than the other ones.  Sure, there is an occasional pudgy golfer who can get the job done, just as CC Sabathia somehow overcame his physique for years in baseball.  But generally pro golfers are pretty built these days, in addition to having the elite hand-eye coordination required of the sport.

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This morning ESPN put out Top 25 NBA players of the 21st century.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40616441/ranking-top-25-nba-players-21st-century

Top 5

1) Lebron
2) Kobe
3) Curry
4) Duncan
5) Shaq

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Re: ESPN top 100 athletes of the 2000's
« Reply #55 on: July 25, 2024, 11:50:52 AM »

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This morning ESPN put out Top 25 NBA players of the 21st century.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40616441/ranking-top-25-nba-players-21st-century

Top 5

1) Lebron
2) Kobe
3) Curry
4) Duncan
5) Shaq

Notable Celtics: KG (6) & Ray (20). No Pierce

How the hell is Pierce not there!!!

Why is Kobe above Duncan? Why is Steph above Duncan? Nonsense.

Ginobili is at #17 yet Pierce doesn't make the list. Tony Parker at #21.

DRAYMOND GREEN MADE THE LIST #22. No Pierce.

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« Reply #56 on: July 25, 2024, 12:05:15 PM »

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This morning ESPN put out Top 25 NBA players of the 21st century.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40616441/ranking-top-25-nba-players-21st-century

Top 5

1) Lebron
2) Kobe
3) Curry
4) Duncan
5) Shaq

Notable Celtics: KG (6) & Ray (20). No Pierce

How the hell is Pierce not there!!!

Why is Kobe above Duncan? Why is Steph above Duncan? Nonsense.

Ginobili is at #17 yet Pierce doesn't make the list. Tony Parker at #21.

DRAYMOND GREEN MADE THE LIST #22. No Pierce.

Yeah, Green over Pierce, Vince Carter or even Klay Thompson makes no sense.


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Re: ESPN top 100 athletes of the 2000's
« Reply #57 on: July 25, 2024, 12:10:53 PM »

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As usual, Kobe getting overhyped but that's nothing new.  ;)


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Re: ESPN top 100 athletes of the 2000's
« Reply #58 on: July 25, 2024, 12:58:59 PM »

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This morning ESPN put out Top 25 NBA players of the 21st century.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40616441/ranking-top-25-nba-players-21st-century

Top 5

1) Lebron
2) Kobe
3) Curry
4) Duncan
5) Shaq

Notable Celtics: KG (6) & Ray (20). No Pierce

How the hell is Pierce not there!!!

Why is Kobe above Duncan? Why is Steph above Duncan? Nonsense.

Ginobili is at #17 yet Pierce doesn't make the list. Tony Parker at #21.

DRAYMOND GREEN MADE THE LIST #22. No Pierce.

Yeah, Green over Pierce, Vince Carter or even Klay Thompson makes no sense.
one of these guys is Pierce, the other is Draymond

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4 All Star
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4 1st Team Defense
4 2nd Team Defense
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So do you favored the very good but not really great offensive player or do you favor the elite defender.
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Re: ESPN top 100 athletes of the 2000's
« Reply #59 on: July 25, 2024, 01:53:33 PM »

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This morning ESPN put out Top 25 NBA players of the 21st century.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/40616441/ranking-top-25-nba-players-21st-century

Top 5

1) Lebron
2) Kobe
3) Curry
4) Duncan
5) Shaq

Notable Celtics: KG (6) & Ray (20). No Pierce

How the hell is Pierce not there!!!

Why is Kobe above Duncan? Why is Steph above Duncan? Nonsense.

Ginobili is at #17 yet Pierce doesn't make the list. Tony Parker at #21.

DRAYMOND GREEN MADE THE LIST #22. No Pierce.

Yeah, Green over Pierce, Vince Carter or even Klay Thompson makes no sense.
one of these guys is Pierce, the other is Draymond

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1 2nd Team
3 3rd Team
1 Top 10 MVP
1 Title
1 FMVP

4 All Star
1 2nd Team
1 3rd Team
1 DPOY and 4 other top 5 and 3 other top 10
4 1st Team Defense
4 2nd Team Defense
4 Ttile

So do you favored the very good but not really great offensive player or do you favor the elite defender.

With guys like Draymond (or Manu or Parker), it's tough to argue their place because it's tough to separate the player from the dynasty, so it is what it is, whatever.

The guy that jumps out to me is Ray though (for being in over Pierce).  Are they putting a huge amount of weight on that Heat championship?

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(Looks a lot closer laying it like you have, but give me Pierce all day).


Dwight Howard again overlooked. 

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