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Re: 15th Roster Spot
« Reply #45 on: July 07, 2024, 07:04:50 AM »

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Wouldn?t mind Bertans especially if porzingis gotta miss half the season
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Re: 15th Roster Spot
« Reply #46 on: July 07, 2024, 07:13:37 AM »

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Wouldn?t mind Bertans especially if porzingis gotta miss half the season

He can still shoot but adds nothing else. How much would signing him cost with all the taxes and such?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiMrQcwlkZE

Re: 15th Roster Spot
« Reply #47 on: July 07, 2024, 08:28:41 AM »

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Wouldn?t mind Bertans especially if porzingis gotta miss half the season

He can still shoot but adds nothing else. How much would signing him cost with all the taxes and such?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiMrQcwlkZE

It's about $4.75 for every dollar in the highest bracket, and it's proportional, so a rough guess without doing any math would be around $14-15m for a vet min contract.

That said, it's probably less about the luxury tax spend, which obviously is a consideration to pay a guy who will sit the bench and not play, but also keeping a spot open for later, without having to waive anyone.

Also, Bertans played 20mpg for Charlotte last season. Anyone think he will be happy going to playing a game here and there like Tillman did? I don't know the answer, but that's the single biggest criteria for a vet min bench fodder guy to me. They have to be happy with not playing for games at a time and then all of a sudden getting thrown in. We don't want anyone unhappy and not buying into their role, even if it's to be a cheerleader.
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Re: 15th Roster Spot
« Reply #48 on: July 07, 2024, 08:41:36 AM »

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That's why Brad, and probably Joe and most of the league, don't really put players into those boxes anymore. It's hard to pigeonhole them. Is he a small forward? Or a shooting guard? But he can't dribble the ball so he can't be a guard. He's too small to be a big...etc. They just see them in the buckets that Brad articulated back in 2017:



Less to do with their size and more with what they actually do on the court...and so some of the "positions" a player plays may change during a game. Tatum might be the sole ball handler in a lineup, in another he might be the big. In any lineup you may have two ball handlers (White and Jrue), two wings (the Jays) and a big (KP), you may have two ball handlers, (White, Jrue) a wing (Tatum) and two bigs (Al and KP), the same lineup but where Al plays more like a wing and defends wings so it would be one ball handler, two wings and a big, or one with no big at all.

Ever since I heard that from Brad back in 2017 I tried to look at the players and positions through his lens...that's why I just see Hauser as a wing. He plays on the wing, off the ball, comes off screens, defends other wings. It's hard though because most of us are all old and grew up on the PG/SG/SF/PF/C designations  :laugh:

This is a pretty good summary, and I don't disagree with the highest level classification of ball handlers (or combo guards), wings, and bigs.  But as the second part of the post says, there is easily at least one more layer of nuance to each of these.  Combo guards can lean more point guard type (1) or be the true hybrid guard type (1/2).  Wings can be more guard wings or small wings (2/3) or be more forward/big wings (3/4).  And bigs can be hybrid 4/5 (like Horford) or just straight centers/5 like Kornet.

I feel that this classification within the basic 3 categories also misses a classification for the 3/4 or swing.  A player that can play as both a wing and a small PF, but probably isn't a true big.  Tatum fits this.  If you had to pick one of the basic 3 categories, I would call him a wing, he is certainly not a big.  But he is a 3/4 swing, not a 2/3 wing.  I see that many teams now play a swing in the core line up (Tatum, Harris, Siakam, Aaron Gordon, Durant, LeBron).

Here is how I would group the current Celtics:

Combo:   Holiday, White, Pritchard, Springer, Scheierman
Wings:    Tatum, Brown, Hauser, Walsh
Bigs:       Porzingis, Horford, Kornet, Tillman, Queta

I am not sure if Scheirman is more combo guard or wing.  It seems like we have more combo guards or ball handlers than we need.  We have 5 bigs, but the group tends to lean more 5 than 4.  Of our wings, Tatum is the only real swing (3/4) type.  That swing 3/4 role is a littel light to me but overall, the roster is well balanced.

Re: 15th Roster Spot
« Reply #49 on: July 07, 2024, 08:45:09 AM »

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[quote author=Vermont Green
Guard 1             Holiday        Pritchard       Springer
Guard 2             White           Hauser         Scheierman
Forward 1          Brown          Walsh   
Forward 2          Tatum          Tillman
Center               Horford        Kornet          Queta



Hauser isn't a guard he's a 3/4...
[/quote]

Traditional  Depth Chart

PG:White Pritchard   (Davison)

SG: Holiday Springer

SF: Brown Hauser Scheierman Walsh

PF:Tatum  (Peterson, Watson)

C: KP Horford Tillman Kornet Queta



As much as I would love to see Brissett back to fill in behind Tatum, I really think the bigger need is a backup SG) especially since Joe uses so many 2 big lineups.

Brad Stevens lineup:

Ball handlers- White, Holiday, Pritchard

Wings - Brown, Tatum, Hauser, Scheierman, Springer, Walsh

Bigs: KP, Horford, Tillman, Kornet, Queta


This still leads me to believe that another Guard would be beneficial. Probably why they want Davison back on a 2-way just for emergency.




Re: 15th Roster Spot
« Reply #50 on: July 07, 2024, 12:18:18 PM »

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Wouldn?t mind Bertans especially if porzingis gotta miss half the season

He can still shoot but adds nothing else. How much would signing him cost with all the taxes and such?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiMrQcwlkZE

It's about $4.75 for every dollar in the highest bracket, and it's proportional, so a rough guess without doing any math would be around $14-15m for a vet min contract.

That said, it's probably less about the luxury tax spend, which obviously is a consideration to pay a guy who will sit the bench and not play, but also keeping a spot open for later, without having to waive anyone.

Also, Bertans played 20mpg for Charlotte last season. Anyone think he will be happy going to playing a game here and there like Tillman did? I don't know the answer, but that's the single biggest criteria for a vet min bench fodder guy to me. They have to be happy with not playing for games at a time and then all of a sudden getting thrown in. We don't want anyone unhappy and not buying into their role, even if it's to be a cheerleader.

I thought maybe Bertans might want to join Porzingis and get a ring next year. Having another big that can shoot would be really nice. Bertans is a subpar defender but he can shoot.

Re: 15th Roster Spot
« Reply #51 on: July 07, 2024, 12:21:52 PM »

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That's why Brad, and probably Joe and most of the league, don't really put players into those boxes anymore. It's hard to pigeonhole them. Is he a small forward? Or a shooting guard? But he can't dribble the ball so he can't be a guard. He's too small to be a big...etc. They just see them in the buckets that Brad articulated back in 2017:



Less to do with their size and more with what they actually do on the court...and so some of the "positions" a player plays may change during a game. Tatum might be the sole ball handler in a lineup, in another he might be the big. In any lineup you may have two ball handlers (White and Jrue), two wings (the Jays) and a big (KP), you may have two ball handlers, (White, Jrue) a wing (Tatum) and two bigs (Al and KP), the same lineup but where Al plays more like a wing and defends wings so it would be one ball handler, two wings and a big, or one with no big at all.

Ever since I heard that from Brad back in 2017 I tried to look at the players and positions through his lens...that's why I just see Hauser as a wing. He plays on the wing, off the ball, comes off screens, defends other wings. It's hard though because most of us are all old and grew up on the PG/SG/SF/PF/C designations  :laugh:

This is a pretty good summary, and I don't disagree with the highest level classification of ball handlers (or combo guards), wings, and bigs.  But as the second part of the post says, there is easily at least one more layer of nuance to each of these.  Combo guards can lean more point guard type (1) or be the true hybrid guard type (1/2).  Wings can be more guard wings or small wings (2/3) or be more forward/big wings (3/4).  And bigs can be hybrid 4/5 (like Horford) or just straight centers/5 like Kornet.

I feel that this classification within the basic 3 categories also misses a classification for the 3/4 or swing.  A player that can play as both a wing and a small PF, but probably isn't a true big.  Tatum fits this.  If you had to pick one of the basic 3 categories, I would call him a wing, he is certainly not a big.  But he is a 3/4 swing, not a 2/3 wing.  I see that many teams now play a swing in the core line up (Tatum, Harris, Siakam, Aaron Gordon, Durant, LeBron).

Here is how I would group the current Celtics:

Combo:   Holiday, White, Pritchard, Springer, Scheierman
Wings:    Tatum, Brown, Hauser, Walsh
Bigs:       Porzingis, Horford, Kornet, Tillman, Queta

I am not sure if Scheirman is more combo guard or wing.  It seems like we have more combo guards or ball handlers than we need.  We have 5 bigs, but the group tends to lean more 5 than 4.  Of our wings, Tatum is the only real swing (3/4) type.  That swing 3/4 role is a littel light to me but overall, the roster is well balanced.

I think Scheirman is more combo guard. His handle is solid and so is his passing. I'm not sure how well his driving game will translate to the NBA and his D has got to get to a certain level to see the floor.

Re: 15th Roster Spot
« Reply #52 on: July 07, 2024, 01:03:52 PM »

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I ll take it.

Re: 15th Roster Spot
« Reply #53 on: July 07, 2024, 06:31:35 PM »

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Brissett is still available. Idk if he has outside offers or interest?
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Re: 15th Roster Spot
« Reply #54 on: July 07, 2024, 06:45:54 PM »

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Guys I would have some interest in:

Gordon Hayward
Doug McDermott
Robert Covington
Paul Reed
Cedi Osman
Justin Holiday
Reggie Bullock
Precious Achiuwa
Lonnie Walker IV
Patty Mills
Oshae Brissett

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/_/year/2024


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Re: 15th Roster Spot
« Reply #55 on: July 07, 2024, 08:00:06 PM »

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Guys I would have some interest in:

Gordon Hayward
Doug McDermott
Robert Covington
Paul Reed
Cedi Osman
Justin Holiday
Reggie Bullock
Precious Achiuwa
Lonnie Walker IV
Patty Mills
Oshae Brissett

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/_/year/2024

I didn't realize Achiuwa was still a FA. Thought he was still with NY. He would be a solid get. Eat up minutes at the 4, and I remember in the Sixers series he played one game with Robinson out and he actually did fairly well against Embiid. Him and Anunoby did great against him on the road, and Achiuwa played 20 minutes and grabbed 7 boards.

He could help out with some of our PF/C depth.
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Re: 15th Roster Spot
« Reply #56 on: July 07, 2024, 08:39:31 PM »

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Guys I would have some interest in:

Gordon Hayward
Doug McDermott
Robert Covington
Paul Reed
Cedi Osman
Justin Holiday
Reggie Bullock
Precious Achiuwa
Lonnie Walker IV
Patty Mills
Oshae Brissett

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/free-agents/_/year/2024

What up with Paul Reed?  Always seemed like a good back up when I have seen him play. Listed at 6?9?. Seems like a great back up power forward.
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Re: 15th Roster Spot
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Re: 15th Roster Spot
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I think Osman would be a nice pick up too.

Re: 15th Roster Spot
« Reply #59 on: July 07, 2024, 09:43:37 PM »

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Pretty big fan of his.

From what the ESPN article said, it looks like the Spurs needed to release Bassey and Sandro in order to compete the trades they did.

I'd be interested in both on a 2-way if we can.