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Re: Celtics (3-0) at Mavericks (0-3) NBA Finals Game #4 6/14/24
« Reply #795 on: June 14, 2024, 11:22:14 PM »

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The Celtics, in their Finals history, have lost six times by 20 or more points. In the ensuing game, Boston is 5-1.

1963, L by 20, W 108-105
1964, L by 24, W 98-95
1965, L by 21, W 112-99
1984, L by 33, W 129-125
1985, L by 25, W 107-105
2010, L by 22, L 83-79

Means virtually nothing and will have 0 impact on Monday nights game

And neither will this loss. Every game is its own season. Have faith. After Monday you can worry about free agency or the draft.

Re: Celtics (3-0) at Mavericks (0-3) NBA Finals Game #4 6/14/24
« Reply #796 on: June 14, 2024, 11:23:25 PM »

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The Celtics did not have many losses this season.  In the regular season, I felt the three worst losses were:

12/19 to the Warriors - up by 17 in the middle of the third, lost in overtime to a team that had our numbe.

1/11 to the Bucks - the closest game to this one, where we just came out completely flat and got obliterated by 35 in the first half, finally losing by 33.

2/1 to the Lakers - 9-point loss to the Lakers without LeBron and AD.


After those games, we blew out the Kings the following night (in SAC) by 25, the Rockets by 32 in Udoka?s return to Boston, and then Memphis by 40. 

Even in the playoffs our two losses have been by 10 to Miami, and we responded with a 20-point win, and to Cleveland by 24, which we followed with a 13-point win.  This team has bounced back strongly from its worst performances, and I expect nothing less on Monday.

Celtics in 5, like I said before the series started.

Re: Celtics (3-0) at Mavericks (0-3) NBA Finals Game #4 6/14/24
« Reply #797 on: June 14, 2024, 11:23:53 PM »

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The Mavs players said they figured out this Celtics team in the 4th quarter of game 3 and tonight. What adjustments did you see that reflects this?

Pack the paint. Getting their role players involved. Kyrie playing hounding defense on Tatum. Mavs team defense.

They definitely packed the paint tonight, and we didn't make them pay for doing it.

Re: Celtics (3-0) at Mavericks (0-3) NBA Finals Game #4 6/14/24
« Reply #798 on: June 14, 2024, 11:25:20 PM »

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The Celtics, in their Finals history, have lost six times by 20 or more points. In the ensuing game, Boston is 5-1.

1963, L by 20, W 108-105
1964, L by 24, W 98-95
1965, L by 21, W 112-99
1984, L by 33, W 129-125
1985, L by 25, W 107-105
2010, L by 22, L 83-79

Means virtually nothing and will have 0 impact on Monday nights game

And neither will this loss. Every game is its own season. Have faith. After Monday you can worry about free agency or the draft.

You being as overly optimistic as you are when you?re the ?master of panic? has me questioning things?because frankly you?re normally wrong about everything

Re: Celtics (3-0) at Mavericks (0-3) NBA Finals Game #4 6/14/24
« Reply #799 on: June 14, 2024, 11:27:01 PM »

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Foster won't be there to save them on mon.
We won't be ice cold and they won't be super hot.

The only thing to be mad at as we missed out at making history tonight. 18 is coming and it will be the first of a.few for this team.

Enjoy the ride and appreciate what we have.
Back to wanting Joe fired.

Re: Celtics (3-0) at Mavericks (0-3) NBA Finals Game #4 6/14/24
« Reply #800 on: June 14, 2024, 11:28:18 PM »

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The Celtics, in their Finals history, have lost six times by 20 or more points. In the ensuing game, Boston is 5-1.

1963, L by 20, W 108-105
1964, L by 24, W 98-95
1965, L by 21, W 112-99
1984, L by 33, W 129-125
1985, L by 25, W 107-105
2010, L by 22, L 83-79

Means virtually nothing and will have 0 impact on Monday nights game

And neither will this loss. Every game is its own season. Have faith. After Monday you can worry about free agency or the draft.

You being as overly optimistic as you are when you?re the ?master of panic? has me questioning things?because frankly you?re normally wrong about everything

Never get confident until a series is completely finished...meaning, 4 wins in a series. Felt like the Jays celebrated their championship after Game 3. They got themselves a rude awakening tonight.


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Re: Celtics (3-0) at Mavericks (0-3) NBA Finals Game #4 6/14/24
« Reply #801 on: June 14, 2024, 11:29:59 PM »

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Enjoy it Dallas. Your time is coming Monday.

If we do close out on game 5, i think JT can sneakily eke out JB as finals MVP?

Who cares?
And no I don?t give Tatum any credit or edge over anybody for putting up 15 points in a 30 point finals loss.

I absollutely give him credit - because unlike JB and the rest of the starters he at least looked like he cares about winning the game.  Nobody else does.
Nah, Tatum folded mentally early, like 1st quarter early.  Getting frustrated by the refs, not getting back on D. He might have been the 1st to quit tonight, followed by Jaylen, followed by everybody else.
Yeah I just can?t with the Tatum-centric Celtics fans.

He was abysmal tonight. Bricking step back 3s, bricking layups and complaining way too much and mentally folded almost immediately.
Brown clearly had a bad game too but I?m not giving Tatum a bump up in the mvp ranking over this. That?s insane.

Everyone was abysmal tonight. Flush it and move on.

I agree. Exactly why it?s insane to move around finals mvp rankings based on anything from that garbage. Tatum hasn?t shot well or been efficient offensively a single game In these finals including tonight

Tatum at least hasn't had a complete stinker of a game in the entire playoffs like Brown did tonight.  10 points on 3-12 shooting, 1 rebound, 2 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, 2 turnovers in 27 minutes and his defence has been non-existent.  That could be the worst individual game of Jaylen Brown's entire career. 

Tatum has 15 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists 1 steal and 2 blocks in the same 27 minutes but that doesn't even tell the full story.  He's been very clearly mauled on multiple shot attempts that never got called, and he's made mutliple good passes to teammates who have bricked open shots and layups.  He should be on 20, 5 and 6 right now if the refs and his teamates did their jobs.

Tatum has actually had a perfectly respectable game tonight.  Hauser also has been good - he's played hard on D and is showing genuine effort.  Nobody else has shown up at all.  There is no way Jaylen Brown can play like this when 100% healthy in close out finals game and get an MVP trophy for it.  This game instantly disqualifies him.

So Tatum had 5/4/1 more then jaylen browns worst game of his entire career and you?re about to swing the mvp because of it, in a 40 point loss no less?
Tatum was abysmal tonight and he?s been inefficient offensively the entire playoffs, is he even a good shooter at this point?

Firstly, an extra 5 points, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal and 2 blocks in 27 minutes is a pretty significant difference - especially in a game where we got slaughtered on the boards.

Secondly, this might not swing things so much iif JB had a day and night advantage over Tatum up to this point - but that isn't the case. Tatum has led the team in rebounds and assists and is only 1 or so down on points, and his ability to draw the defence is largely what has allowed guys like Brown and Jrue to get efficient shots off.  The MVP run has been very, very close so far between Tatum and Brown, with Brown probably having the slight edge due to his more efficient scoring.  But every single playoff game Tatum has always found a way to contribute to the team - tonight included.  The entire playoffs not once has he ever just completely failed to show up like Brown did tonight - that's a big deal.

Thirdly, it's not just about on paper stats.  Tatum was showing aggressiveness attacking the basket, but he kept getting fouled without calls.  Tatum was moving the ball effectively, but his teammates were bricking open shots.  Tatum was fighting hard and ripping rebounds away from opposing players - nobody else on the team showed any interest in rebounding.  It's not just the stats, its the effort.  Tatum was trying.  He was fighting.  He was playing like someone who actually wanted to win. 

JB was not.  He didn't show the slightest hint of effort in any thing he did over the entire duration of the game.  He looked lazy, he looked disinterested, he looked disoriented and he just looked like somebody who had no business being on the court. 

Jrue was bad as well - he was wreckless, had alot of turnovers, etc.  But at least Jrue LOOKED like he was trying.  The energy was there, the motivation seemed to be there, but he was just wreckless.  Brown looked asleep for 80% of his minutes.

Re: Celtics (3-0) at Mavericks (0-3) NBA Finals Game #4 6/14/24
« Reply #802 on: June 14, 2024, 11:30:03 PM »

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This thing is over Monday night.

If you?re hitting the panic button after tonight, you?re overreacting.

The title is coming


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Re: Celtics (3-0) at Mavericks (0-3) NBA Finals Game #4 6/14/24
« Reply #803 on: June 14, 2024, 11:31:28 PM »

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The Celtics, in their Finals history, have lost six times by 20 or more points. In the ensuing game, Boston is 5-1.

1963, L by 20, W 108-105
1964, L by 24, W 98-95
1965, L by 21, W 112-99
1984, L by 33, W 129-125
1985, L by 25, W 107-105
2010, L by 22, L 83-79

Means virtually nothing and will have 0 impact on Monday nights game

And neither will this loss. Every game is its own season. Have faith. After Monday you can worry about free agency or the draft.

You being as overly optimistic as you are when you?re the ?master of panic? has me questioning things?because frankly you?re normally wrong about everything

Never get confident until a series is completely finished...meaning, 4 wins in a series. Felt like the Jays celebrated their championship after Game 3. They got themselves a rude awakening tonight.

Agreed. Kyrie promised the garden crowd he would be back for a game 5 and here he comes

Re: Celtics (3-0) at Mavericks (0-3) NBA Finals Game #4 6/14/24
« Reply #804 on: June 14, 2024, 11:31:33 PM »

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The Celtics, in their Finals history, have lost six times by 20 or more points. In the ensuing game, Boston is 5-1.

1963, L by 20, W 108-105
1964, L by 24, W 98-95
1965, L by 21, W 112-99
1984, L by 33, W 129-125
1985, L by 25, W 107-105
2010, L by 22, L 83-79

Means virtually nothing and will have 0 impact on Monday nights game

And neither will this loss. Every game is its own season. Have faith. After Monday you can worry about free agency or the draft.

You being as overly optimistic as you are when you?re the ?master of panic? has me questioning things?because frankly you?re normally wrong about everything

Whatever you say man. You have been waiting all season for this team to fall to pieces. I think they win it Monday. You don't. It is what it is.

But you are overly critical of this team even when they play well or win. They lost tonight. Wasn't good enough.
But maybe see how they respond Monday.

Re: Celtics (3-0) at Mavericks (0-3) NBA Finals Game #4 6/14/24
« Reply #805 on: June 14, 2024, 11:31:40 PM »

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Foster won't be there to save them on mon.
We won't be ice cold and they won't be super hot.

The only thing to be mad at as we missed out at making history tonight. 18 is coming and it will be the first of a.few for this team.

Enjoy the ride and appreciate what we have.

They certainly made history tonight. It wasn't the kind of history we wanted though.

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« Reply #806 on: June 14, 2024, 11:31:55 PM »

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I don?t think Game 5 is guaranteed, we all know what Luka will try to do. This series won?t get to 7 though I promise you that.

Game 5 is not guaranteed. Game 6 is not guaranteed. Game 7 is definitely not guaranteed.

They have no chance man. Fold up the franchise.

No, just fire Mazzulla and trade Tatum. Rebuild!

Okay, seriously, let?s look at this mathematically. Let?s say you believe that the teams are even and every game going forward is a coin flip. Just for the sake of argument. The chance of Dallas winning the series is (1/2)^3, or 1/8.

But let?s say you think Dallas is better and has a 2/3 chance to win each game. Odds are up dramatically, right? Not so much. We are now at (2/3)^3, or 8/27. Not even 1/3.

There are no guarantees in life. It?s possible that KP has his leg amputated and JT runs off with JB to have Jrue Holiday?s love child. Outside of that, I like our odds.

Re: Celtics (3-0) at Mavericks (0-3) NBA Finals Game #4 6/14/24
« Reply #807 on: June 14, 2024, 11:32:59 PM »

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This thing is over Monday night.

If you?re hitting the panic button after tonight, you?re overreacting.

The title is coming

Boston gave up 33 points off of turnovers and second chance points. Those can be correct. I agree this is a one off and it ends Monday.

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« Reply #808 on: June 14, 2024, 11:34:52 PM »

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2008 Celtics closed it out on the same day 🤷‍♂️

Okay, okay, okay - it all makes sense now. We?re doing it to win at home in the anniversary of our last title. Makes perfect sense and for great narratives, especially with many members of that team likely to be in attendance.

I feel another Tatum Philly Game 7 coming up tomorrow!
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« Reply #809 on: June 14, 2024, 11:36:07 PM »

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For what it?s worth, Vegas has us as early 7.5 point favorites for Game 5. That?s huge specially for a finals game.