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Which team in the 2024 Finals has a coaching advantage?

Celtics with Mazulla
Mavericks with Kidd
It’s a wash

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Coaching Advantage
« on: June 03, 2024, 08:29:07 AM »

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Lots of talk about Luka vs Tatum or which team has the better top duo. But not much about the coaching in this series. Kidd doesn’t seem very well regarded around the league and Mazulla is often maligned around here. So, does one side hold a coaching edge over the other? What does each do well and not do well?
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Re: Coaching Advantage
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2024, 08:36:19 AM »

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Both coaches have their teams buying in and playing together, and that's all you can really ask. One of the top couple of coaches in the league could provide a bigger advantage, but neither Kidd nor Mazulla fit that bill. It's a wash.
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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2024, 08:38:52 AM »

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Lots of talk about Luka vs Tatum or which team has the better top duo. But not much about the coaching in this series. Kidd doesn’t seem very well regarded around the league and Mazulla is often maligned around here. So, does one side hold a coaching edge over the other? What does each do well and not do well?
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Joe Mazzulla has never told his assistant to hit him and hurled his drink onto the court.

Joe Mazzulla doesn't care about winning.
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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2024, 10:32:14 AM »

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I'm just glad we aren't playing a well-respected former championship coach for a change. It seems we often have a coaching disadvantage and that doesn't seem to be the case this time around.

There does seem to be more of an established system in Boston, whereas DAL relies more on Luka to run the show

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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2024, 11:51:53 AM »

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Jason Kidd was charged with domestic abuse, while Mazzulla was charged with domestic battery.  I'm going to need one of our resident lawyers to weigh in here and let me know who wins that matchup.

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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2024, 11:58:16 AM »

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A certain pool of voters has already weighted in on this, the coach of the year voters:

   Mazzulla           79 points (including 2 first place votes)
   Kidd                   1 point  (1 third place vote)

I don't think there is any advantage either way, at least in terms of who will win the series.  But I find it funny that after all the debate about how bad a coach Mazzulla is, how it will be our biggest treat to a title, that in the end, it turns out that the coach doesn't matter that much.  That we may end up having a coaching advantage in the finals.

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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2024, 12:10:22 PM »

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Lots of talk about Luka vs Tatum or which team has the better top duo. But not much about the coaching in this series. Kidd doesn’t seem very well regarded around the league and Mazulla is often maligned around here. So, does one side hold a coaching edge over the other? What does each do well and not do well?
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Joe Mazzulla has never told his assistant to hit him and hurled his drink onto the court.

Joe Mazzulla doesn't care about winning.

Kidd pled guilty, while Joe received some sort of prosecutorial diversion.  So, despite both being terrible human beings at one point, only Kidd has a criminal record.


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A certain pool of voters has already weighted in on this, the coach of the year voters:

   Mazzulla           79 points (including 2 first place votes)
   Kidd                   1 point  (1 third place vote)

I don't think there is any advantage either way, at least in terms of who will win the series.  But I find it funny that after all the debate about how bad a coach Mazzulla is, how it will be our biggest treat to a title, that in the end, it turns out that the coach doesn't matter that much.  That we may end up having a coaching advantage in the finals.

Despite all the whining from some fans, Joe Mazz has been very solid. I imagine Kidd is doing something right in Dallas too. At the end of the day, the best players will determine the outcome, like in every other sport.
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2024, 12:30:43 PM »

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Kidd is a POS human being.


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« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2024, 01:08:51 PM »

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I know it is hard to keep things separate sometimes, but the poll question is which coach will give their team a coaching advantage, not which coach is a better human being or more likeable to fans.

Both coaches have their teams playing well, bought in.  Kidd even has Kyrie Irving bought in.  Kidd deserves some credit for that but the reality is that Irving could flake out tomorrow and I am not sure Kidd would be able to do anything about that.  I don't expect that, Kyrie will probably hold it together for the rest of the series, but you never know.

I don't see this series as requiring any "rocket science" from the head coaches.  There will be adjustments, there will be decisions made, plays called, but I don't expect either team to do anything radical.  I don't think DAL has the personnel to do anything much different than what they have been doing and I don't think BOS will have any reason to suddenly start doing something radically different than what they have been doing all season.

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I know it is hard to keep things separate sometimes, but the poll question is which coach will give their team a coaching advantage, not which coach is a better human being or more likeable to fans.


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« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2024, 05:11:05 PM »

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Lots of talk about Luka vs Tatum or which team has the better top duo. But not much about the coaching in this series. Kidd doesn’t seem very well regarded around the league and Mazulla is often maligned around here. So, does one side hold a coaching edge over the other? What does each do well and not do well?
Vote! Discuss!

Joe Mazzulla has never told his assistant to hit him and hurled his drink onto the court.

Joe Mazzulla doesn't care about winning.

Kidd pled guilty, while Joe received some sort of prosecutorial diversion.  So, despite both being terrible human beings at one point, only Kidd has a criminal record.
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« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2024, 05:35:25 PM »

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Throwing the Coke on the playing floor to get a time- out was probably the most moronic things I ve seen in NBA game , maybe only surpassed By Ron Artest leap into the crowd and duking it out with fans. Kidd is the worst example of a coach , no wonder Irving gets along with him……both dopes

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« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2024, 05:45:09 PM »

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Kidd is a more experienced coach who has been well regarded by his former players.  He just coached the Mavs as the road team to 3 straight series wins. He isn't Spo, but there is more evidence of competence with him than Joe. 
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2024, 06:24:13 PM »

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Unless there's a really questionable decision regarding rotations, or a fantastic ATO play that decides the series, it's probably gonna come down to which team executes better on the court, and not what the coaches do.
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