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[Roy H.]

If Tatum really wanted Jaylen back and they still went ahead and traded him for that, then I would fear for Tatum's time here too. A few more early playoff exits and cost-cutting measures and Tatum will probably ask out too.

I refuse to believe that though, if JT wanted Jaylen back badly he could have petitioned for it more behind the scenes or even put out stuff on social media supporting him like he has in the past. He didn't. I think he wanted Jaylen gone, although yes maybe he's surprised Jaylen didn't have that much trade value either

Celtics didn?t want Browns contract. Tatum was not going to be able to do anything to change that.

Seems like no one wanted Browns contract.

Based upon what? Multiple teams expressed interest in Brown, and at least some of the offers were reportedly better than the one that Brad took. We ended up with a lousy deal not because of Brown's contract, but because Brad's asking price was initially way too high, and he priced interested teams out of the market. For whatever reason, he decided to make a bad trade rather than no trade.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

If Tatum really wanted Jaylen back and they still went ahead and traded him for that, then I would fear for Tatum's time here too. A few more early playoff exits and cost-cutting measures and Tatum will probably ask out too.

I refuse to believe that though, if JT wanted Jaylen back badly he could have petitioned for it more behind the scenes or even put out stuff on social media supporting him like he has in the past. He didn't. I think he wanted Jaylen gone, although yes maybe he's surprised Jaylen didn't have that much trade value either

Celtics didn?t want Browns contract. Tatum was not going to be able to do anything to change that.

Seems like no one wanted Browns contract.

Based upon what? Multiple teams expressed interest in Brown, and at least some of the offers were reportedly better than the one that Brad took. We ended up with a lousy deal not because of Brown's contract, but because Brad's asking price was initially way too high, and he priced interested teams out of the market. For whatever reason, he decided to make a bad trade rather than no trade.

Both your comment and the previous ones are opinions. There's no facts here. We don't have all the info on what any teams actually offered, when they offered it, and when they stopped being interested.

[JBcat]

If Tatum really wanted Jaylen back and they still went ahead and traded him for that, then I would fear for Tatum's time here too. A few more early playoff exits and cost-cutting measures and Tatum will probably ask out too.

I refuse to believe that though, if JT wanted Jaylen back badly he could have petitioned for it more behind the scenes or even put out stuff on social media supporting him like he has in the past. He didn't. I think he wanted Jaylen gone, although yes maybe he's surprised Jaylen didn't have that much trade value either

Celtics didn?t want Browns contract. Tatum was not going to be able to do anything to change that.

Seems like no one wanted Browns contract.

Based upon what? Multiple teams expressed interest in Brown, and at least some of the offers were reportedly better than the one that Brad took. We ended up with a lousy deal not because of Brown's contract, but because Brad's asking price was initially way too high, and he priced interested teams out of the market. For whatever reason, he decided to make a bad trade rather than no trade.

Both your comment and the previous ones are opinions. There's no facts here. We don't have all the info on what any teams actually offered, when they offered it, and when they stopped being interested.

I also don?t believe some offers were reportedly better. Brad isn?t purposely going to take a weaker offer. I thought I saw a report from an executive that they lowballed an initial offer thinking they would get a chance later on to increase it. The thing is there is no guarantee a team will increase an offer later on. Just keeping Brown rather than what we traded for is a valid point, but none of us know what was going on behind the scenes. I also think the 2 first round picks we got in return are extremely valuable to keep or flip again in a trade. Not all firsts are created equal.

[Celtics2021]

If Tatum really wanted Jaylen back and they still went ahead and traded him for that, then I would fear for Tatum's time here too. A few more early playoff exits and cost-cutting measures and Tatum will probably ask out too.

I refuse to believe that though, if JT wanted Jaylen back badly he could have petitioned for it more behind the scenes or even put out stuff on social media supporting him like he has in the past. He didn't. I think he wanted Jaylen gone, although yes maybe he's surprised Jaylen didn't have that much trade value either

Celtics didn?t want Browns contract. Tatum was not going to be able to do anything to change that.

Seems like no one wanted Browns contract.

Based upon what? Multiple teams expressed interest in Brown, and at least some of the offers were reportedly better than the one that Brad took. We ended up with a lousy deal not because of Brown's contract, but because Brad's asking price was initially way too high, and he priced interested teams out of the market. For whatever reason, he decided to make a bad trade rather than no trade.

I am sure teams feel that their offer was better, but I am also sure that we have heard nothing of any team being willing to take on Jaylen?s contract without sending commensurate salary back.  So sure, they would prefer Jaylen at that money compared to others already on their roster, but that does not mean they would want Brown?s contract in and of itself.  We did not hear about Chicago making an offer, or the Lakers, two teams with cap space.  Or Charlotte, which could have included Jaylen in the LaMelo-Randle-Claxton-Reid deal and matched by sending back about $6 million.  So no one wanted his contract straight up.  We heard names of bad salary like Jerami Grant and Jordan Poole and Ja Morant.

I highly doubt, if JB were a free agent, that he would have gotten anywhere near three years at the max like he has left.  And that is what I mean that no one wanted his contract.

It surprised me greatly, but it seems to be true.

[Roy H.]

If Tatum really wanted Jaylen back and they still went ahead and traded him for that, then I would fear for Tatum's time here too. A few more early playoff exits and cost-cutting measures and Tatum will probably ask out too.

I refuse to believe that though, if JT wanted Jaylen back badly he could have petitioned for it more behind the scenes or even put out stuff on social media supporting him like he has in the past. He didn't. I think he wanted Jaylen gone, although yes maybe he's surprised Jaylen didn't have that much trade value either

Celtics didn?t want Browns contract. Tatum was not going to be able to do anything to change that.

Seems like no one wanted Browns contract.

Based upon what? Multiple teams expressed interest in Brown, and at least some of the offers were reportedly better than the one that Brad took. We ended up with a lousy deal not because of Brown's contract, but because Brad's asking price was initially way too high, and he priced interested teams out of the market. For whatever reason, he decided to make a bad trade rather than no trade.

I am sure teams feel that their offer was better, but I am also sure that we have heard nothing of any team being willing to take on Jaylen?s contract without sending commensurate salary back.  So sure, they would prefer Jaylen at that money compared to others already on their roster, but that does not mean they would want Brown?s contract in and of itself.  We did not hear about Chicago making an offer, or the Lakers, two teams with cap space.  Or Charlotte, which could have included Jaylen in the LaMelo-Randle-Claxton-Reid deal and matched by sending back about $6 million.  So no one wanted his contract straight up.  We heard names of bad salary like Jerami Grant and Jordan Poole and Ja Morant.

I highly doubt, if JB were a free agent, that he would have gotten anywhere near three years at the max like he has left.  And that is what I mean that no one wanted his contract.

It surprised me greatly, but it seems to be true.

I mean, that is literally true of almost all trades.  No team had a $60 million trade exception, so of course all of them were sending back contracts. However, not all of the reported offers included bad contracts.

[Roy H.]

If Tatum really wanted Jaylen back and they still went ahead and traded him for that, then I would fear for Tatum's time here too. A few more early playoff exits and cost-cutting measures and Tatum will probably ask out too.

I refuse to believe that though, if JT wanted Jaylen back badly he could have petitioned for it more behind the scenes or even put out stuff on social media supporting him like he has in the past. He didn't. I think he wanted Jaylen gone, although yes maybe he's surprised Jaylen didn't have that much trade value either

Celtics didn?t want Browns contract. Tatum was not going to be able to do anything to change that.

Seems like no one wanted Browns contract.

Based upon what? Multiple teams expressed interest in Brown, and at least some of the offers were reportedly better than the one that Brad took. We ended up with a lousy deal not because of Brown's contract, but because Brad's asking price was initially way too high, and he priced interested teams out of the market. For whatever reason, he decided to make a bad trade rather than no trade.

Both your comment and the previous ones are opinions. There's no facts here. We don't have all the info on what any teams actually offered, when they offered it, and when they stopped being interested.

Opinions and reported facts aren't the same.  It's not my opinion that Brad's initial asking price was too high, or that other interested teams moved on.  Those are things that have been reported as true. Maybe the reporters made that up, but they're not opinions.

[Celtics2021]

If Tatum really wanted Jaylen back and they still went ahead and traded him for that, then I would fear for Tatum's time here too. A few more early playoff exits and cost-cutting measures and Tatum will probably ask out too.

I refuse to believe that though, if JT wanted Jaylen back badly he could have petitioned for it more behind the scenes or even put out stuff on social media supporting him like he has in the past. He didn't. I think he wanted Jaylen gone, although yes maybe he's surprised Jaylen didn't have that much trade value either

Celtics didn?t want Browns contract. Tatum was not going to be able to do anything to change that.

Seems like no one wanted Browns contract.

Based upon what? Multiple teams expressed interest in Brown, and at least some of the offers were reportedly better than the one that Brad took. We ended up with a lousy deal not because of Brown's contract, but because Brad's asking price was initially way too high, and he priced interested teams out of the market. For whatever reason, he decided to make a bad trade rather than no trade.

I am sure teams feel that their offer was better, but I am also sure that we have heard nothing of any team being willing to take on Jaylen?s contract without sending commensurate salary back.  So sure, they would prefer Jaylen at that money compared to others already on their roster, but that does not mean they would want Brown?s contract in and of itself.  We did not hear about Chicago making an offer, or the Lakers, two teams with cap space.  Or Charlotte, which could have included Jaylen in the LaMelo-Randle-Claxton-Reid deal and matched by sending back about $6 million.  So no one wanted his contract straight up.  We heard names of bad salary like Jerami Grant and Jordan Poole and Ja Morant.

I highly doubt, if JB were a free agent, that he would have gotten anywhere near three years at the max like he has left.  And that is what I mean that no one wanted his contract.

It surprised me greatly, but it seems to be true.

I mean, that is literally true of almost all trades.  No team had a $60 million trade exception, so of course all of them were sending back contracts. However, not all of the reported offers included bad contracts.

Name one that did not include a bad contract.  I have not heard of any.

And again, teams did have cap space.  The Lakers were willing to send a load of picks to sign Kessler in free agency.  They were presumably not willing to send that for Brown.  The Bulls had space.  The Hornets could have acquired him very simply, but chose to preserve a $40 million TPE instead.  The Nets had the space but went with Randle instead.  There were sufficient teams who could have sent back no or very little salary.  They did not bite.  No one wanted that contract.

[Roy H.]

If Tatum really wanted Jaylen back and they still went ahead and traded him for that, then I would fear for Tatum's time here too. A few more early playoff exits and cost-cutting measures and Tatum will probably ask out too.

I refuse to believe that though, if JT wanted Jaylen back badly he could have petitioned for it more behind the scenes or even put out stuff on social media supporting him like he has in the past. He didn't. I think he wanted Jaylen gone, although yes maybe he's surprised Jaylen didn't have that much trade value either

Celtics didn?t want Browns contract. Tatum was not going to be able to do anything to change that.

Seems like no one wanted Browns contract.

Based upon what? Multiple teams expressed interest in Brown, and at least some of the offers were reportedly better than the one that Brad took. We ended up with a lousy deal not because of Brown's contract, but because Brad's asking price was initially way too high, and he priced interested teams out of the market. For whatever reason, he decided to make a bad trade rather than no trade.

I am sure teams feel that their offer was better, but I am also sure that we have heard nothing of any team being willing to take on Jaylen?s contract without sending commensurate salary back.  So sure, they would prefer Jaylen at that money compared to others already on their roster, but that does not mean they would want Brown?s contract in and of itself.  We did not hear about Chicago making an offer, or the Lakers, two teams with cap space.  Or Charlotte, which could have included Jaylen in the LaMelo-Randle-Claxton-Reid deal and matched by sending back about $6 million.  So no one wanted his contract straight up.  We heard names of bad salary like Jerami Grant and Jordan Poole and Ja Morant.

I highly doubt, if JB were a free agent, that he would have gotten anywhere near three years at the max like he has left.  And that is what I mean that no one wanted his contract.

It surprised me greatly, but it seems to be true.

I mean, that is literally true of almost all trades.  No team had a $60 million trade exception, so of course all of them were sending back contracts. However, not all of the reported offers included bad contracts.

Name one that did not include a bad contract.  I have not heard of any.

And again, teams did have cap space.  The Lakers were willing to send a load of picks to sign Kessler in free agency.  They were presumably not willing to send that for Brown.  The Bulls had space.  The Hornets could have acquired him very simply, but chose to preserve a $40 million TPE instead.  The Nets had the space but went with Randle instead.  There were sufficient teams who could have sent back no or very little salary.  They did not bite.  No one wanted that contract.

None of those teams had )60 million in cap space; Brown doesn't fit the timeline of Chicago and Brooklyn; Charlotte made a good offer; the Lakers prioritized a center.

Your disingenuous is very transparent, and is beneath you.

[Celtics2021]

If Tatum really wanted Jaylen back and they still went ahead and traded him for that, then I would fear for Tatum's time here too. A few more early playoff exits and cost-cutting measures and Tatum will probably ask out too.

I refuse to believe that though, if JT wanted Jaylen back badly he could have petitioned for it more behind the scenes or even put out stuff on social media supporting him like he has in the past. He didn't. I think he wanted Jaylen gone, although yes maybe he's surprised Jaylen didn't have that much trade value either

Celtics didn?t want Browns contract. Tatum was not going to be able to do anything to change that.

Seems like no one wanted Browns contract.

Based upon what? Multiple teams expressed interest in Brown, and at least some of the offers were reportedly better than the one that Brad took. We ended up with a lousy deal not because of Brown's contract, but because Brad's asking price was initially way too high, and he priced interested teams out of the market. For whatever reason, he decided to make a bad trade rather than no trade.

I am sure teams feel that their offer was better, but I am also sure that we have heard nothing of any team being willing to take on Jaylen?s contract without sending commensurate salary back.  So sure, they would prefer Jaylen at that money compared to others already on their roster, but that does not mean they would want Brown?s contract in and of itself.  We did not hear about Chicago making an offer, or the Lakers, two teams with cap space.  Or Charlotte, which could have included Jaylen in the LaMelo-Randle-Claxton-Reid deal and matched by sending back about $6 million.  So no one wanted his contract straight up.  We heard names of bad salary like Jerami Grant and Jordan Poole and Ja Morant.

I highly doubt, if JB were a free agent, that he would have gotten anywhere near three years at the max like he has left.  And that is what I mean that no one wanted his contract.

It surprised me greatly, but it seems to be true.

I mean, that is literally true of almost all trades.  No team had a $60 million trade exception, so of course all of them were sending back contracts. However, not all of the reported offers included bad contracts.

Name one that did not include a bad contract.  I have not heard of any.

And again, teams did have cap space.  The Lakers were willing to send a load of picks to sign Kessler in free agency.  They were presumably not willing to send that for Brown.  The Bulls had space.  The Hornets could have acquired him very simply, but chose to preserve a $40 million TPE instead.  The Nets had the space but went with Randle instead.  There were sufficient teams who could have sent back no or very little salary.  They did not bite.  No one wanted that contract.

None of those teams had )60 million in cap space; Brown doesn't fit the timeline of Chicago and Brooklyn; Charlotte made a good offer; the Lakers prioritized a center.

Your disingenuous is very transparent, and is beneath you.

Maybe I have my numbers off, but from what I see on Spotrac, the Nets would be at $106 million after trading Claxton (whom they gave to Chicago for free), before including Randle.  So that is roughly $58 million in space, and also takes into account that they declined a team option on Sharpe and gave him a raise.  Maybe they would have needed to send $5-10 million in salary, but that is still way different than $55-$60 million.

The Bulls had $54 million in space before they traded for Claxton and signed Powell, and, for some reason, resigned Zach Collins. 

The Lakers spent $56 million in cap space on Kessler, Grimes, and Mamu.

Charlotte made an offer that included sending back at least one contract that they did not want, and we have no clue what the draft picks were.  They did not offer to take on most of the salary of Brown, which they could have done.  Even after the Bridges trade, sending Reid and picks would have worked, but there is no indication that was on the table.

[Goldstar88]

Here?s a link to Brads presser at 4pm.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XojpffAKWbA&ra=m

[Goldstar88]

First reason Brad gave was regarding the financials and having so much money tied up with 2 players which does not allow them to add depth. Steven?s mentioned that when they won it all a few years back 47% of the teams payroll was Jayson and Jaylen. It increased to 70%

[Roy H.]

If Tatum really wanted Jaylen back and they still went ahead and traded him for that, then I would fear for Tatum's time here too. A few more early playoff exits and cost-cutting measures and Tatum will probably ask out too.

I refuse to believe that though, if JT wanted Jaylen back badly he could have petitioned for it more behind the scenes or even put out stuff on social media supporting him like he has in the past. He didn't. I think he wanted Jaylen gone, although yes maybe he's surprised Jaylen didn't have that much trade value either

Celtics didn?t want Browns contract. Tatum was not going to be able to do anything to change that.

Seems like no one wanted Browns contract.

Based upon what? Multiple teams expressed interest in Brown, and at least some of the offers were reportedly better than the one that Brad took. We ended up with a lousy deal not because of Brown's contract, but because Brad's asking price was initially way too high, and he priced interested teams out of the market. For whatever reason, he decided to make a bad trade rather than no trade.

I am sure teams feel that their offer was better, but I am also sure that we have heard nothing of any team being willing to take on Jaylen?s contract without sending commensurate salary back.  So sure, they would prefer Jaylen at that money compared to others already on their roster, but that does not mean they would want Brown?s contract in and of itself.  We did not hear about Chicago making an offer, or the Lakers, two teams with cap space.  Or Charlotte, which could have included Jaylen in the LaMelo-Randle-Claxton-Reid deal and matched by sending back about $6 million.  So no one wanted his contract straight up.  We heard names of bad salary like Jerami Grant and Jordan Poole and Ja Morant.

I highly doubt, if JB were a free agent, that he would have gotten anywhere near three years at the max like he has left.  And that is what I mean that no one wanted his contract.

It surprised me greatly, but it seems to be true.

I mean, that is literally true of almost all trades.  No team had a $60 million trade exception, so of course all of them were sending back contracts. However, not all of the reported offers included bad contracts.

Name one that did not include a bad contract.  I have not heard of any.

And again, teams did have cap space.  The Lakers were willing to send a load of picks to sign Kessler in free agency.  They were presumably not willing to send that for Brown.  The Bulls had space.  The Hornets could have acquired him very simply, but chose to preserve a $40 million TPE instead.  The Nets had the space but went with Randle instead.  There were sufficient teams who could have sent back no or very little salary.  They did not bite.  No one wanted that contract.

None of those teams had )60 million in cap space; Brown doesn't fit the timeline of Chicago and Brooklyn; Charlotte made a good offer; the Lakers prioritized a center.

Your disingenuous is very transparent, and is beneath you.

Maybe I have my numbers off, but from what I see on Spotrac, the Nets would be at $106 million after trading Claxton (whom they gave to Chicago for free), before including Randle.  So that is roughly $58 million in space, and also takes into account that they declined a team option on Sharpe and gave him a raise.  Maybe they would have needed to send $5-10 million in salary, but that is still way different than $55-$60 million.

The Bulls had $54 million in space before they traded for Claxton and signed Powell, and, for some reason, resigned Zach Collins. 

The Lakers spent $56 million in cap space on Kessler, Grimes, and Mamu.

Charlotte made an offer that included sending back at least one contract that they did not want, and we have no clue what the draft picks were.  They did not offer to take on most of the salary of Brown, which they could have done.  Even after the Bridges trade, sending Reid and picks would have worked, but there is no indication that was on the table.

Like I said, disingenuous.  Rebuilding teams aren't going to give up draft assets for a 29 year old win now player.  By your logic, no team wanted to take on the contract of any player moved this off-season other than Kessler and Claxton.

[Donoghus]

Justin Turpin
@JustinmTurpin
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Bill Chisholm on whether there was any sort of financial mandate from ownership:

"No, absolutely not. This was all about basically trying to win, and, I think, really trusting in our process we have. I think we have the best front office in the NBA, and they put in their work, and they came to the conclusion this was the best way for us to win, and that's the mandate: Is to win. And I just have to keep saying that there is no ?we'll spend whatever it takes to do that. The mandate is to win.?

[Goldstar88]

Justin Turpin
@JustinmTurpin
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5m
Bill Chisholm on whether there was any sort of financial mandate from ownership:

"No, absolutely not. This was all about basically trying to win, and, I think, really trusting in our process we have. I think we have the best front office in the NBA, and they put in their work, and they came to the conclusion this was the best way for us to win, and that's the mandate: Is to win. And I just have to keep saying that there is no ?we'll spend whatever it takes to do that. The mandate is to win.?

He should have just let Brad do the talking. Least James Dolan came out and said going over the second apron is suicide and we will not be doing it. Chisholm saying that every move is about winning is completely disingenuous.

[SparzWizard]

Justin Turpin
@JustinmTurpin
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5m
Bill Chisholm on whether there was any sort of financial mandate from ownership:

"No, absolutely not. This was all about basically trying to win, and, I think, really trusting in our process we have. I think we have the best front office in the NBA, and they put in their work, and they came to the conclusion this was the best way for us to win, and that's the mandate: Is to win. And I just have to keep saying that there is no ?we'll spend whatever it takes to do that. The mandate is to win.?

If the goal is to win, then you take that Giannis deal 100 out of 10 over PG's albatross contract and those picks.

Yes that includes adding Hugo and Baylor to the package