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[Goldstar88]

Bill Simmons reported that Giannis Antetokounmpo was ready to approve a trade to the Boston Celtics, but the deal fell apart over a contract extension. Simmons stated that Boston refused to give Giannis a three-year max extension worth 35% of the cap, only offering a two-year deal worth 30%. Because they couldn't agree on the terms, Giannis greenlit a trade to the Miami Heat instead, and Boston ultimately pivoted to trade Jaylen Brown for Paul George.

[ozgod]

Bill Simmons reported that Giannis Antetokounmpo was ready to approve a trade to the Boston Celtics, but the deal fell apart over a contract extension. Simmons stated that Boston refused to give Giannis a three-year max extension worth 35% of the cap, only offering a two-year deal worth 30%. Because they couldn't agree on the terms, Giannis greenlit a trade to the Miami Heat instead, and Boston ultimately pivoted to trade Jaylen Brown for Paul George.

I posted this on the Fire Brad StevensBrad Stevens Criticism Thread but I'm skeptical...sure Giannis can decide who he is willing to sign the extension with but surely the Bucks can also decide which package they want better, and I heard they wanted Miami's better because it was a better fit for their rebuilding timeline. Basically he's saying Giannis dictated what return the Bucks were going to get for him.

[radiohead]

Why is there no ?welcome to Boston? posts from the Celtics social media people? Could it be that PG is being shipped to a third team?

[Celtics2021]

Why is there no ?welcome to Boston? posts from the Celtics social media people? Could it be that PG is being shipped to a third team?

No, they cannot post anything official until after the trade is processed, which cannot happen until the official start of the league year on Monday.  If it is not processed by Monday evening you can start to wonder, but until then it is a holding pattern.  They may be still talking trades, of course.  Probably are.  But I doubt there is something ready to break.

[ozgod]

Why is there no ?welcome to Boston? posts from the Celtics social media people? Could it be that PG is being shipped to a third team?

Because it's not official yet. The transaction is pending physicals and signing contracts.

[Goldstar88]

NBA Base: The Boston Celtics feared how the Jayson Tatum-Jaylen Brown duo would age together, and felt the bond between Brown and the franchise was "irreparable" after his name was dangled in trade talks, per @ramonashelburne. He wanted to be the number one option and it would be hard for him to go back into more of a supporting role with Jayson Tatum.
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Bill Simmons reported that Giannis Antetokounmpo was ready to approve a trade to the Boston Celtics, but the deal fell apart over a contract extension. Simmons stated that Boston refused to give Giannis a three-year max extension worth 35% of the cap, only offering a two-year deal worth 30%. Because they couldn't agree on the terms, Giannis greenlit a trade to the Miami Heat instead, and Boston ultimately pivoted to trade Jaylen Brown for Paul George.

Celticsblog had another report saying BOS were willing to pay Giannis the 35% and this wasn't the reason the trade fell through.

However, a league source told CelticsBlog that Giannis Antetokounmpo?s looming extension was not a factor in why the Celtics didn?t land him, and that they were prepared to offer him the full 3-year, 35% contract extension.

[SparzWizard]

Bill Simmons reported that Giannis Antetokounmpo was ready to approve a trade to the Boston Celtics, but the deal fell apart over a contract extension. Simmons stated that Boston refused to give Giannis a three-year max extension worth 35% of the cap, only offering a two-year deal worth 30%. Because they couldn't agree on the terms, Giannis greenlit a trade to the Miami Heat instead, and Boston ultimately pivoted to trade Jaylen Brown for Paul George.

Celticsblog had another report saying BOS were willing to pay Giannis the 35% and this wasn't the reason the trade fell through.

However, a league source told CelticsBlog that Giannis Antetokounmpo?s looming extension was not a factor in why the Celtics didn?t land him, and that they were prepared to offer him the full 3-year, 35% contract extension.

It sounds like GM malpractice if one of the top 5 players in the world want to play for you but you don't want to give him a 3 year extension or trade Hugo Freaking Gonzalez.

Bring out the pitchforks, Brad's gotta go

[Celtics4ever]

It sounds like GM malpractice if one of the top 5 players in the world want to play for you but you don't want to give him a 3 year extension or trade Hugo Freaking Gonzalez.

Bring out the pitchforks, Brad's gotta go

I think that is little more than a rumor.

[Muzzy66]

Bill Simmons reported that Giannis Antetokounmpo was ready to approve a trade to the Boston Celtics, but the deal fell apart over a contract extension. Simmons stated that Boston refused to give Giannis a three-year max extension worth 35% of the cap, only offering a two-year deal worth 30%. Because they couldn't agree on the terms, Giannis greenlit a trade to the Miami Heat instead, and Boston ultimately pivoted to trade Jaylen Brown for Paul George.

Celticsblog had another report saying BOS were willing to pay Giannis the 35% and this wasn't the reason the trade fell through.

However, a league source told CelticsBlog that Giannis Antetokounmpo?s looming extension was not a factor in why the Celtics didn?t land him, and that they were prepared to offer him the full 3-year, 35% contract extension.

It sounds like GM malpractice if one of the top 5 players in the world want to play for you but you don't want to give him a 3 year extension or trade Hugo Freaking Gonzalez.

Bring out the pitchforks, Brad's gotta go

Jaylen is not a 'top 5 player in the world' by any measure.  Not by raw statistics, not by advanced statistics, and not by career accolades.  He's a top 10-15 player who put up career best numbers in a year where he had a usage rate of 36.2%.

To put that usage rate in perspective Tatum's career high usage rate was 32.7% in  2022-23 when he averatged 29.3 points, 8.6 rebounds and 4.5 assists.

Over 10 NBA seasons Jaylen Brown has averaged 25+ PPG twice, has made 2 all-NBA teams, has made 5 all-star teams, has a net rating of +0 and a BPM of +0.7

Also I don't know if there is a single human in the NBA who is better at recognising potential in unexpected places then Brad Stevens, so if he WAS that high on Hugo then I would say he's got enough of a track record at this point to deserve the benefit of the doubt. 

Remember also that that Brad's job is not to put players on the roster who put up big numbers and get media attention.  His job is to put guys on the roster that maximise the team's ability to win games.  He probably things a that a guy like Hugo (who can impact winning in a big way, seems highly coachable, and is only making $2.9M a year) is better value then getting locked in to $70M a year 5 years from now for a guy who has a tendancy to create controversy and generate drama.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Bill Simmons reported that Giannis Antetokounmpo was ready to approve a trade to the Boston Celtics, but the deal fell apart over a contract extension. Simmons stated that Boston refused to give Giannis a three-year max extension worth 35% of the cap, only offering a two-year deal worth 30%. Because they couldn't agree on the terms, Giannis greenlit a trade to the Miami Heat instead, and Boston ultimately pivoted to trade Jaylen Brown for Paul George.

Celticsblog had another report saying BOS were willing to pay Giannis the 35% and this wasn't the reason the trade fell through.

However, a league source told CelticsBlog that Giannis Antetokounmpo?s looming extension was not a factor in why the Celtics didn?t land him, and that they were prepared to offer him the full 3-year, 35% contract extension.

It sounds like GM malpractice if one of the top 5 players in the world want to play for you but you don't want to give him a 3 year extension or trade Hugo Freaking Gonzalez.

Bring out the pitchforks, Brad's gotta go

Jaylen is not a 'top 5 player in the world' by any measure.  Not by raw statistics, not by advanced statistics, and not by career accolades.  He's a top 10-15 player who put up career best numbers in a year where he had a usage rate of 36.2%.

To put that usage rate in perspective Tatum's career high usage rate was 32.7% in  2022-23 when he averatged 29.3 points, 8.6 rebounds and 4.5 assists.

Over 10 NBA seasons Jaylen Brown has averaged 25+ PPG twice, has made 2 all-NBA teams, has made 5 all-star teams, has a net rating of +0 and a BPM of +0.7

Also I don't know if there is a single human in the NBA who is better at recognising potential in unexpected places then Brad Stevens, so if he WAS that high on Hugo then I would say he's got enough of a track record at this point to deserve the benefit of the doubt. 

Remember also that that Brad's job is not to put players on the roster who put up big numbers and get media attention.  His job is to put guys on the roster that maximise the team's ability to win games.  He probably things a that a guy like Hugo (who can impact winning in a big way, seems highly coachable, and is only making $2.9M a year) is better value then getting locked in to $70M a year 5 years from now for a guy who has a tendancy to create controversy and generate drama.

Here's how I differentiate it.

Brown performed at a top 5-6 level last year, but I think there are 20 guys in the NBA who could potentially do that any given year, if they had the right system, health luck, teammates, etc.

But there are players year in and year out that are more reliably close to the top 5. Their ability overcomes bad systems, health, teammates, etc. Brown is not in that group, or anywhere near that group.

Credit his hard work, skill development, and consistent effort last year. It led to a top 6 season.

But I also think that Philly will have a worse system, worse teammate fit, etc for Brown, which is why I'd predict next season he will be closer to 25-30 in performance.

[Goldstar88]

Interesting that JB didn?t mention Hauser, White, Tatum or Pritchard. The guys that he played with for a long time. Least Brown is saying awesome year now instead of favorite. 

"The guys that I was able to build with, those guys that reached out to me, just told me ? Neemy (Queta), Luka (Garza), all those guys told me 'It was a pleasure to play with you, and I appreciate everything that you helped with.' So that's the stuff that gives you more motivation to keep going. So I'm grateful, and it was a pleasure. If this was my last year as a Celtic, this was an awesome year."
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[jambr380]

Bill Simmons reported that Giannis Antetokounmpo was ready to approve a trade to the Boston Celtics, but the deal fell apart over a contract extension. Simmons stated that Boston refused to give Giannis a three-year max extension worth 35% of the cap, only offering a two-year deal worth 30%. Because they couldn't agree on the terms, Giannis greenlit a trade to the Miami Heat instead, and Boston ultimately pivoted to trade Jaylen Brown for Paul George.

Celticsblog had another report saying BOS were willing to pay Giannis the 35% and this wasn't the reason the trade fell through.

However, a league source told CelticsBlog that Giannis Antetokounmpo?s looming extension was not a factor in why the Celtics didn?t land him, and that they were prepared to offer him the full 3-year, 35% contract extension.

It sounds like GM malpractice if one of the top 5 players in the world want to play for you but you don't want to give him a 3 year extension or trade Hugo Freaking Gonzalez.

Bring out the pitchforks, Brad's gotta go

Jaylen is not a 'top 5 player in the world' by any measure.  Not by raw statistics, not by advanced statistics, and not by career accolades.  He's a top 10-15 player who put up career best numbers in a year where he had a usage rate of 36.2%.

To put that usage rate in perspective Tatum's career high usage rate was 32.7% in  2022-23 when he averatged 29.3 points, 8.6 rebounds and 4.5 assists.

Over 10 NBA seasons Jaylen Brown has averaged 25+ PPG twice, has made 2 all-NBA teams, has made 5 all-star teams, has a net rating of +0 and a BPM of +0.7

Also I don't know if there is a single human in the NBA who is better at recognising potential in unexpected places then Brad Stevens, so if he WAS that high on Hugo then I would say he's got enough of a track record at this point to deserve the benefit of the doubt. 

Remember also that that Brad's job is not to put players on the roster who put up big numbers and get media attention.  His job is to put guys on the roster that maximise the team's ability to win games.  He probably things a that a guy like Hugo (who can impact winning in a big way, seems highly coachable, and is only making $2.9M a year) is better value then getting locked in to $70M a year 5 years from now for a guy who has a tendancy to create controversy and generate drama.

Sparz was talking about Giannis, not Jaylen. The report of not offering the 3yr extension at 35% (which might not be true) and not including Hugo to get the deal done. I don't even think Jaylen's mom thinks he's a top 5 player.

[Phantom255x]

It's still very odd to me Tatum hasn't said or posted anything on this matter all offseason. He's been posting stuff from his basketball camp and other advertisement-related stuff, but nothing on Jaylen.

And before anyone tells me "the trade isn't official", that more so applies to the official organizational accounts. George and Brown have posted their goodbyes, and some of the young players like Harper have commented on Jaylen leaving. Even Derrick White acknowledged it on a podcast. Edgecomb and Maxey called into Jaylen's stream last night. Pritchard has commented on Jaylen being in trade rumors last week too and his support for Jaylen in the process.

But, nada from Tatum. Nothing at all.