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Re: Celtics News
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« Reply #1831 on: Yesterday at 03:44:39 PM »

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« Reply #1832 on: Yesterday at 03:49:55 PM »

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Spotrac has been updated.

They estimate that we're still $331k above the second apron, and $20.2 million above the tax line (after the Garza and Minott signings).

Right now, we're projected to pay $88.44 million in luxury tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Note:  waiving and stretching Simons would save us $18,452,647.33 this year.  Cutting Davison would then get us below the tax line, I believe.  (For those who object to carrying dead money, would ownership carry $9.2 million in dead money for two more seasons to save $88 million?  I think they would, although I think they'll try to deal Simons for smaller contracts first).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

The way for them to fully reset the clock is by going under the tax line right? Let?s say they want to spend more in 26-27 they shouldn?t  really go over the second apron unless they reset the clock is my understanding. Getting below the first apron doesn?t reset it I don?t believe? Unless they are then below the second apron for two years in a row.


If this is actually true which I am no expert on really then it makes sense to bite the bullet this year and do almost whatever it takes to get below the tax like so they can spend without as much concern next year.

Now whether they actually spend that much next year who knows of course.

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« Reply #1833 on: Yesterday at 03:54:05 PM »

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From Himmelsbach's article in the Globe

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The Celtics are about $20 million over the luxury tax line with all 15 roster spots filled, but teams are required to carry just 14 players. Sources have stressed that ownership has not issued any financial edicts to the front office. But the Celtics have been a tax team for the last three years, and teams are hit with harsh repeater penalties when going over the mark in three of four seasons.

So, avoiding the tax this year, with Jayson Tatum likely to miss the entire season because of an Achilles injury anyway, could help Boston eventually reset that clock.

A league source said Monday that no trades were imminent, but that the Celtics would continue to explore all avenues. There is often a lull during this part of the offseason, before movement in the restricted free agent market heats up.

Full article: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2025/07/07/sports/celtics-jrue-holiday/

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« Reply #1834 on: Yesterday at 04:24:28 PM »

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Spotrac has been updated.

They estimate that we're still $331k above the second apron, and $20.2 million above the tax line (after the Garza and Minott signings).

Right now, we're projected to pay $88.44 million in luxury tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Note:  waiving and stretching Simons would save us $18,452,647.33 this year.  Cutting Davison would then get us below the tax line, I believe.  (For those who object to carrying dead money, would ownership carry $9.2 million in dead money for two more seasons to save $88 million?  I think they would, although I think they'll try to deal Simons for smaller contracts first).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

0% chance. Because sure, stretching Simons would save a lot of money but there are A LOT of LESS PAINFUL ways to accomplish that same thing. For example, attaching a second rounder to Niang to move off his 8.2 million saves 40+ million without sticking money on your books the next three years. Moving Niang+Hauser, both of whom fit into exceptions, probably nets you assets (slight neg for Niang, positive for Hauser) and saves almost that whole amount, again without sticking money on your books.

Its not just about what the stretch does, because I'm sure they would like to shave money. Its more about the fact that there are just less destructive ways to accomplish that.

There's just no good reason to stretch Simons. He's a good young player, and there are other waaaaaaay less painful ways to shed money. I have yet to see any source suggest they are even considering this, in fact I've yet to see any source indicate there's some mandate to get below the tax at all. And that's before factoring in how having 9 million on your books in years I imagine they want to compete can be a pretty significant stumbling block to doing so.
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Michael Scotto: Update: The San Antonio Spurs signed the Luke Kornet to a 4-year, $41 million deal, which descends, is fully guaranteed the first two years for $21.45 million, has a third-year $2.55 million partial guarantee salary and a fourth-year non-guaranteed salary, sources told @hoopshype
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Now that we have the full contract details, this is unbearably sad that the Celtics couldn't even afford to match a 2yr/roughly 24m guarantee. That is totally a reasonable price for a backup center. Even if you consider the fact that Texas' no state tax gives the Spurs' offer an advantage, the Celtics could have taken away the team options (limiting Kornet's ability to hit the FA market again) or offered a fully guaranteed third year. You'd think Kornet would have also been open to taking slightly less to stay, but I doubt the Celtics even came close  because they're so desperate to reduce their tax burden.

I always understood that Porzingis and Holiday were luxuries that were likely gone after two years, but losing competent bench guys who aren't even demanding more than 12m/year is really disturbing.


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« Reply #1836 on: Yesterday at 04:31:32 PM »

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Spotrac has been updated.

They estimate that we're still $331k above the second apron, and $20.2 million above the tax line (after the Garza and Minott signings).

Right now, we're projected to pay $88.44 million in luxury tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Note:  waiving and stretching Simons would save us $18,452,647.33 this year.  Cutting Davison would then get us below the tax line, I believe.  (For those who object to carrying dead money, would ownership carry $9.2 million in dead money for two more seasons to save $88 million?  I think they would, although I think they'll try to deal Simons for smaller contracts first).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

The way for them to fully reset the clock is by going under the tax line right? Let?s say they want to spend more in 26-27 they shouldn?t  really go over the second apron unless they reset the clock is my understanding. Getting below the first apron doesn?t reset it I don?t believe? Unless they are then below the second apron for two years in a row.


If this is actually true which I am no expert on really then it makes sense to bite the bullet this year and do almost whatever it takes to get below the tax like so they can spend without as much concern next year.

Now whether they actually spend that much next year who knows of course.

They'd need to get below the tax BOTH this year, 25-26, and next year, 26-27, to reset the repeater tax.

I'm not 100% convinced that's the plan. I'm sure they'd love to get below the tax this year, teams that aren't competing typically don't love paying tax. But if they want to compete going forward they are going to have to pay the tax, and if they don't do so in 26-27 it actually becomes pretty difficult to build back up your spending.

I think the plan is probably more like be as inexpensive this year as possible and then build back up in summer 2026.

But also, its not my money.

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« Reply #1837 on: Yesterday at 04:42:31 PM »

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You have to keep in mind that the tax does not reset unless you are under for 2 consecutive seasons:

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In the NBA, a team can reset its repeater luxury tax status by staying under the luxury tax threshold for two consecutive seasons, effectively "resetting the clock" on their repeater status. This means that if a team has been a luxury tax "repeater" (having paid the tax in three of the previous four seasons), they can avoid the more punitive repeater tax rates by avoiding the tax for two consecutive seasons.

So getting under for 2025-26 doesn't do much good unless you plan to be under for 2026-27 also.  It will reduce the tax bill for the one season of course, but you are still repeater unless you do 2 seasons in a row.  It does not seem to be that the team is headed in a direction to be under the tax in 2026-27.  Under the apron, sure.

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« Reply #1838 on: Yesterday at 04:43:34 PM »

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Spotrac has been updated.

They estimate that we're still $331k above the second apron, and $20.2 million above the tax line (after the Garza and Minott signings).

Right now, we're projected to pay $88.44 million in luxury tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Note:  waiving and stretching Simons would save us $18,452,647.33 this year.  Cutting Davison would then get us below the tax line, I believe.  (For those who object to carrying dead money, would ownership carry $9.2 million in dead money for two more seasons to save $88 million?  I think they would, although I think they'll try to deal Simons for smaller contracts first).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

The way for them to fully reset the clock is by going under the tax line right? Let?s say they want to spend more in 26-27 they shouldn?t  really go over the second apron unless they reset the clock is my understanding. Getting below the first apron doesn?t reset it I don?t believe? Unless they are then below the second apron for two years in a row.


If this is actually true which I am no expert on really then it makes sense to bite the bullet this year and do almost whatever it takes to get below the tax like so they can spend without as much concern next year.

Now whether they actually spend that much next year who knows of course.

They'd need to get below the tax BOTH this year, 25-26, and next year, 26-27, to reset the repeater tax.

I'm not 100% convinced that's the plan. I'm sure they'd love to get below the tax this year, teams that aren't competing typically don't love paying tax. But if they want to compete going forward they are going to have to pay the tax, and if they don't do so in 26-27 it actually becomes pretty difficult to build back up your spending.

I think the plan is probably more like be as inexpensive this year as possible and then build back up in summer 2026.

But also, its not my money.
how ate they going to build back up though? That is the fundamental problem they have.  They dont have any way to add anyone good to the team without trading one of the big 3.
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« Reply #1839 on: Yesterday at 04:54:27 PM »

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Spotrac has been updated.

They estimate that we're still $331k above the second apron, and $20.2 million above the tax line (after the Garza and Minott signings).

Right now, we're projected to pay $88.44 million in luxury tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Note:  waiving and stretching Simons would save us $18,452,647.33 this year.  Cutting Davison would then get us below the tax line, I believe.  (For those who object to carrying dead money, would ownership carry $9.2 million in dead money for two more seasons to save $88 million?  I think they would, although I think they'll try to deal Simons for smaller contracts first).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

The way for them to fully reset the clock is by going under the tax line right? Let?s say they want to spend more in 26-27 they shouldn?t  really go over the second apron unless they reset the clock is my understanding. Getting below the first apron doesn?t reset it I don?t believe? Unless they are then below the second apron for two years in a row.


If this is actually true which I am no expert on really then it makes sense to bite the bullet this year and do almost whatever it takes to get below the tax like so they can spend without as much concern next year.

Now whether they actually spend that much next year who knows of course.

They'd need to get below the tax BOTH this year, 25-26, and next year, 26-27, to reset the repeater tax.

I'm not 100% convinced that's the plan. I'm sure they'd love to get below the tax this year, teams that aren't competing typically don't love paying tax. But if they want to compete going forward they are going to have to pay the tax, and if they don't do so in 26-27 it actually becomes pretty difficult to build back up your spending.

I think the plan is probably more like be as inexpensive this year as possible and then build back up in summer 2026.

But also, its not my money.
how ate they going to build back up though? That is the fundamental problem they have.  They dont have any way to add anyone good to the team without trading one of the big 3.

Sure they do, plenty of ways.

1) They could re-sign Simons then use him at a later date as matching salary in a trade.
2) They could aggregate some combo of Hauser/Pritchard/mins/young guys to bring in someone making something like 15-20 million.
3) They could let Simons walk and use the 22-million-dollar TPE they will generate from the KP trade next summer to either acquire someone via S&T or take back money in an unbalanced trade.
4) If they shed more money they could have access to the tax or even non tax MLE.

Depending on what exactly they do with Niang/Simons they won't have access to all these avenues, for example they probably can't re-sign Simons and use any TPE's because using TPE's hardcaps you at a level they'd be above with if Simon's returns.

5) Get some internal development from Scheierman/Walsh/Hugo or get some lottery luck next year and draft someone good.

I know its been a couple years since the Celtics really had to build back up their team, but there are ways to do it. They aren't in MUCH worse of a situation the then they were two years ago before acquiring KP and Holiday. They have work to do, but its doable work.
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"Major Change" to Blazers-Celtics trade. C's now no longer getting two 2nd round picks and it is a straight up 1-1 swap of Holiday for Simmons.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/celtics-blazers-make-major-change-to-jrue-holiday-anfernee-simons-trade/ar-AA1I8z9v?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=e54c5bc5f9804eb8ad7d756618709c8d&ei=10
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"Major Change" to Blazers-Celtics trade. C's now no longer getting two 2nd round picks and it is a straight up 1-1 swap of Holiday for Simmons.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/celtics-blazers-make-major-change-to-jrue-holiday-anfernee-simons-trade/ar-AA1I8z9v?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=e54c5bc5f9804eb8ad7d756618709c8d&ei=10

so nothing major enough to negate the trade, but enough to have Portland keep those draft picks?  omg..

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"Major Change" to Blazers-Celtics trade. C's now no longer getting two 2nd round picks and it is a straight up 1-1 swap of Holiday for Simmons.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/celtics-blazers-make-major-change-to-jrue-holiday-anfernee-simons-trade/ar-AA1I8z9v?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=e54c5bc5f9804eb8ad7d756618709c8d&ei=10

so nothing major enough to negate the trade, but enough to have Portland keep those draft picks?  omg..

A similar thing happened with the IT / Kyrie trade. The Celtics in that case I think had to add a second rounder because of stuff in IT's medicals the Cavs didn't like.

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"Major Change" to Blazers-Celtics trade. C's now no longer getting two 2nd round picks and it is a straight up 1-1 swap of Holiday for Simmons.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/celtics-blazers-make-major-change-to-jrue-holiday-anfernee-simons-trade/ar-AA1I8z9v?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=e54c5bc5f9804eb8ad7d756618709c8d&ei=10

so nothing major enough to negate the trade, but enough to have Portland keep those draft picks?  omg..

A similar thing happened with the IT / Kyrie trade. The Celtics in that case I think had to add a second rounder because of stuff in IT's medicals the Cavs didn't like.

And it should be noted IT was pretty much cooked for the rest of his career after that trade, sadly, so it could be a significant issue for Holiday.