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[Roy H.]

Spotrac has been updated.

They estimate that we're still $331k above the second apron, and $20.2 million above the tax line (after the Garza and Minott signings).

Right now, we're projected to pay $88.44 million in luxury tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Note:  waiving and stretching Simons would save us $18,452,647.33 this year.  Cutting Davison would then get us below the tax line, I believe.  (For those who object to carrying dead money, would ownership carry $9.2 million in dead money for two more seasons to save $88 million?  I think they would, although I think they'll try to deal Simons for smaller contracts first).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

[Celtics2021]

Spotrac has been updated.

They estimate that we're still $331k above the second apron, and $20.2 million above the tax line (after the Garza and Minott signings).

Right now, we're projected to pay $88.44 million in luxury tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Note:  waiving and stretching Simons would save us $18,452,647.33 this year.  Cutting Davison would then get us below the tax line, I believe.  (For those who object to carrying dead money, would ownership carry $9.2 million in dead money for two more seasons to save $88 million?  I think they would, although I think they'll try to deal Simons for smaller contracts first).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

The Celtics could also get under the second apron by waiving either Queta or Walsh, who are both only partially guaranteed.  I think either is less likely, but if Davison impresses it isn?t impossible.

Also, White has $1.7 million in bonuses, that currently count against the second apron.  It is therefore possible that they would need to do nothing to get below the second apron.

[Roy H.]

Spotrac has been updated.

They estimate that we're still $331k above the second apron, and $20.2 million above the tax line (after the Garza and Minott signings).

Right now, we're projected to pay $88.44 million in luxury tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Note:  waiving and stretching Simons would save us $18,452,647.33 this year.  Cutting Davison would then get us below the tax line, I believe.  (For those who object to carrying dead money, would ownership carry $9.2 million in dead money for two more seasons to save $88 million?  I think they would, although I think they'll try to deal Simons for smaller contracts first).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

The Celtics could also get under the second apron by waiving either Queta or Walsh, who are both only partially guaranteed.  I think either is less likely, but if Davison impresses it isn?t impossible.

Also, White has $1.7 million in bonuses, that currently count against the second apron.  It is therefore possible that they would need to do nothing to get below the second apron.

Yeah, getting the last $2 million under isn't the major concern; we could sell off an end-of-roster player at the deadline easy enough.

It's that $18 million chunk.  I think that fans need to be prepared for Simons to be a cap casualty, and to see him as an expiring contract rather than a key piece. 

[lbgreen33]

Spotrac has been updated.

They estimate that we're still $331k above the second apron, and $20.2 million above the tax line (after the Garza and Minott signings).

Right now, we're projected to pay $88.44 million in luxury tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Note:  waiving and stretching Simons would save us $18,452,647.33 this year.  Cutting Davison would then get us below the tax line, I believe.  (For those who object to carrying dead money, would ownership carry $9.2 million in dead money for two more seasons to save $88 million?  I think they would, although I think they'll try to deal Simons for smaller contracts first).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Roy you are the man, but my question to this is why would brad have bothered to even do the trade then? I mean couldn't we have just waived and stretched Holiday? You know this stuff way better than me, but that seems like a lot of work just to waive Simons?  Also, I just said this in another post, he was averaging nearly 20 pts & 5 ast. why not give him a run and see what we have? Other players to cut that would make more sense to me.

[Roy H.]

Spotrac has been updated.

They estimate that we're still $331k above the second apron, and $20.2 million above the tax line (after the Garza and Minott signings).

Right now, we're projected to pay $88.44 million in luxury tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Note:  waiving and stretching Simons would save us $18,452,647.33 this year.  Cutting Davison would then get us below the tax line, I believe.  (For those who object to carrying dead money, would ownership carry $9.2 million in dead money for two more seasons to save $88 million?  I think they would, although I think they'll try to deal Simons for smaller contracts first).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Roy you are the man, but my question to this is why would brad have bothered to even do the trade then? I mean couldn't we have just waived and stretched Holiday? You know this stuff way better than me, but that seems like a lot of work just to waive Simons?  Also, I just said this in another post, he was averaging nearly 20 pts & 5 ast. why not give him a run and see what we have? Other players to cut that would make more sense to me.

There's a big difference in stretching and waiving Simons, versus Holiday.

The formula is that you can stretch a contract over twice the years remaining, plus one additional year.

So, Simons has one additional year, at roughly (since I don't want to look it up again, haha), $27 million.  So, $27 million divided by 3 years (his 1 year x 2 = 2, plus one additional year = 3) is $9 million.

With Holiday, he has 3 years, $104 million left.  Stretching him would be over 7 years (3 x 2, +1), or $14.86 million per season.

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It's why I expect further trades to reduce the salary before any waiver.  For instance, a Simons for Marcus Smart deal would save about $6 million total, but if stretched the hit would "only" be $7 million per year.  And so on and so forth.  Same thing with Niang to a lesser extent.

[86MaxwellSmart]

Waive Walsh, He is completely useless.

[lbgreen33]

Spotrac has been updated.

They estimate that we're still $331k above the second apron, and $20.2 million above the tax line (after the Garza and Minott signings).

Right now, we're projected to pay $88.44 million in luxury tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Note:  waiving and stretching Simons would save us $18,452,647.33 this year.  Cutting Davison would then get us below the tax line, I believe.  (For those who object to carrying dead money, would ownership carry $9.2 million in dead money for two more seasons to save $88 million?  I think they would, although I think they'll try to deal Simons for smaller contracts first).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Roy you are the man, but my question to this is why would brad have bothered to even do the trade then? I mean couldn't we have just waived and stretched Holiday? You know this stuff way better than me, but that seems like a lot of work just to waive Simons?  Also, I just said this in another post, he was averaging nearly 20 pts & 5 ast. why not give him a run and see what we have? Other players to cut that would make more sense to me.

There's a big difference in stretching and waiving Simons, versus Holiday.

The formula is that you can stretch a contract over twice the years remaining, plus one additional year.

So, Simons has one additional year, at roughly (since I don't want to look it up again, haha), $27 million.  So, $27 million divided by 3 years (his 1 year x 2 = 2, plus one additional year = 3) is $9 million.

With Holiday, he has 3 years, $104 million left.  Stretching him would be over 7 years (3 x 2, +1), or $14.86 million per season.

Got ya, thanks Roy, we are all lucky to have you!

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Spotrac has been updated.

They estimate that we're still $331k above the second apron, and $20.2 million above the tax line (after the Garza and Minott signings).

Right now, we're projected to pay $88.44 million in luxury tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Note:  waiving and stretching Simons would save us $18,452,647.33 this year.  Cutting Davison would then get us below the tax line, I believe.  (For those who object to carrying dead money, would ownership carry $9.2 million in dead money for two more seasons to save $88 million?  I think they would, although I think they'll try to deal Simons for smaller contracts first).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Roy you are the man, but my question to this is why would brad have bothered to even do the trade then? I mean couldn't we have just waived and stretched Holiday? You know this stuff way better than me, but that seems like a lot of work just to waive Simons?  Also, I just said this in another post, he was averaging nearly 20 pts & 5 ast. why not give him a run and see what we have? Other players to cut that would make more sense to me.

There's a big difference in stretching and waiving Simons, versus Holiday.

The formula is that you can stretch a contract over twice the years remaining, plus one additional year.

So, Simons has one additional year, at roughly (since I don't want to look it up again, haha), $27 million.  So, $27 million divided by 3 years (his 1 year x 2 = 2, plus one additional year = 3) is $9 million.

With Holiday, he has 3 years, $104 million left.  Stretching him would be over 7 years (3 x 2, +1), or $14.86 million per season.

These are good thoughts Roy, but the stated objective by multiple people has not been to get below the tax, but to gain our flexibility to make a championship roster back. Stevens already communicated that the new owners are commited to spending.

[Roy H.]

Spotrac has been updated.

They estimate that we're still $331k above the second apron, and $20.2 million above the tax line (after the Garza and Minott signings).

Right now, we're projected to pay $88.44 million in luxury tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Note:  waiving and stretching Simons would save us $18,452,647.33 this year.  Cutting Davison would then get us below the tax line, I believe.  (For those who object to carrying dead money, would ownership carry $9.2 million in dead money for two more seasons to save $88 million?  I think they would, although I think they'll try to deal Simons for smaller contracts first).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Roy you are the man, but my question to this is why would brad have bothered to even do the trade then? I mean couldn't we have just waived and stretched Holiday? You know this stuff way better than me, but that seems like a lot of work just to waive Simons?  Also, I just said this in another post, he was averaging nearly 20 pts & 5 ast. why not give him a run and see what we have? Other players to cut that would make more sense to me.

There's a big difference in stretching and waiving Simons, versus Holiday.

The formula is that you can stretch a contract over twice the years remaining, plus one additional year.

So, Simons has one additional year, at roughly (since I don't want to look it up again, haha), $27 million.  So, $27 million divided by 3 years (his 1 year x 2 = 2, plus one additional year = 3) is $9 million.

With Holiday, he has 3 years, $104 million left.  Stretching him would be over 7 years (3 x 2, +1), or $14.86 million per season.

These are good thoughts Roy, but the stated objective by multiple people has not been to get below the tax, but to gain our flexibility to make a championship roster back. Stevens already communicated that the new owners are commited to spending.

Three questions:

1.  Do you take ownership at face value?

2.  Did Brad say they were committed to spending *this season*?

3.  Is there a strong indication that Simons is part of the team's future plans?
3b.  If he's *not* a long term piece, what brings more value to the team, playing him this year or dumping him to save $88 million and improve our draft pick?

I don't think we'll have enough room next season to both resign Simons and to use the TPE on a big man, and I think it's more important that we fill the big spot.

[mobilija]

Spotrac has been updated.

They estimate that we're still $331k above the second apron, and $20.2 million above the tax line (after the Garza and Minott signings).

Right now, we're projected to pay $88.44 million in luxury tax.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

Note:  waiving and stretching Simons would save us $18,452,647.33 this year.  Cutting Davison would then get us below the tax line, I believe.  (For those who object to carrying dead money, would ownership carry $9.2 million in dead money for two more seasons to save $88 million?  I think they would, although I think they'll try to deal Simons for smaller contracts first).

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/boston-celtics/yearly

The Celtics could also get under the second apron by waiving either Queta or Walsh, who are both only partially guaranteed.  I think either is less likely, but if Davison impresses it isn?t impossible.

Also, White has $1.7 million in bonuses, that currently count against the second apron.  It is therefore possible that they would need to do nothing to get below the second apron.

Yeah, getting the last $2 million under isn't the major concern; we could sell off an end-of-roster player at the deadline easy enough.

It's that $18 million chunk.  I think that fans need to be prepared for Simons to be a cap casualty, and to see him as an expiring contract rather than a key piece.

That?s not bad. I?d prioritize dumping Niang w a 2nd rd pick and hopefully taking back no more than a vet min.

Then that leaves you with only having to get rid of roughly half of Simmons salary, right?

Hopefully you get 2 or 3 untested potential rotational players to develop out of it all and likely only lose a few 2nd rd picks

[Who]

I expect Brad Stevens likes A Simons' game. Rates him.

He likes three point shooters and Simons is one of the best three point shooters in the league. Volume + accuracy + variety of spot up and off movement and off dribble three point attempts.

He fits Stevens' offensive system very well.

[Jiri Welsch]

I expect Brad Stevens likes A Simons' game. Rates him.

He likes three point shooters and Simons is one of the best three point shooters in the league. Volume + accuracy + variety of spot up and off movement and off dribble three point attempts.

He fits Stevens' offensive system very well.

Just confusing how exactly they'll get off contracts if not giving up Simons. Maybe they're a first apron team next season.

[President Red]

Official welcome to Simons:

https://x.com/celtics/status/1942304498149626138

[Csfan1984]

I expect Brad Stevens likes A Simons' game. Rates him.

He likes three point shooters and Simons is one of the best three point shooters in the league. Volume + accuracy + variety of spot up and off movement and off dribble three point attempts.

He fits Stevens' offensive system very well.

Just confusing how exactly they'll get off contracts if not giving up Simons. Maybe they're a first apron team next season.

They should be a first apron team. Going under first apron is for rebuild teams. This is a soft reset.

[Jiri Welsch]

I expect Brad Stevens likes A Simons' game. Rates him.

He likes three point shooters and Simons is one of the best three point shooters in the league. Volume + accuracy + variety of spot up and off movement and off dribble three point attempts.

He fits Stevens' offensive system very well.

Just confusing how exactly they'll get off contracts if not giving up Simons. Maybe they're a first apron team next season.

They should be a first apron team. Going under first apron is for rebuild teams. This is a soft reset.

If the ownership is fine paying the repeater tax that's great. I thought they were trying to avoid that.