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Re: Celtics News
« Reply #1695 on: Yesterday at 09:27:46 AM »

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They should have just paid the tax.

This could have been a 50 win team without Tatum. With Tatum due to return in time for the playoffs if all goes well. Adding Tatum to a 50 win team gives you a real shot at winning the East. Especially given how weak the top of the East is.

Yep. But it seems Brad got his marching orders to quietly tank. They burned more of the house down than expected. Just don't see 2025 as anything more than playing out the string for 82 games.

By next offseason you dump everyone you can. Garza, Simons, Walsh, Baylor, Davison, Tillman, Niang, etc. Only interested in building around Tatum, Brown, White, their 2026 lottery pick and PP. Hauser can stay or go...not a big deal.

At this point, just get below the first apron and reset everything for 2026.

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« Reply #1696 on: Yesterday at 09:55:10 AM »

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Still time to fill the team but to me they were going to always take a hit on talent when losing KP and Holiday. The deciding point was always going to be on Horford and Kornet. It seems at this point it is unlikely they bring either back as I think Horford will go elsewhere. I think their main goal now will be to get below the tax entirely. That will require gutting the roster more. And then this feels like a great year for Brown to rest his knee and do a tank that way. You then come back the following year with Tatum, Brown, White and ideally a solid rookie with potential. Then you try to go for it. It is tough to see how this team is in the playoffs next year and I would prefer a tanking route by still keeping White and Brown. Will be a year to look at the development of some young guys so hopefully there will be some fun there. Least it will be a lot less stressful next year!

I see it as kind of like a summer league team all season (but not exactly):

Solid Starters:        Brown, White, Simons
Solid Bench:           Pritchard, Hauser
(All guards so far, not likely the starting 5)
Fringe NBA Vet:      Tillman, Niang, Garza, Queta
Fringe NBA Young:  Walsh, Scheierman, Davison
Rookies/2-way:       Gonzalez, Williams, Shulga, Norris

Brown has averaged 67 games per season in his career and this season he is coming off surgery.  So expect him to be good for say 60 games?  In those 22 games or so he doesn't play, the roster looks really bad.  Excluding his rookie season (only 20 games) Simons has only averaged 61.5 games per season.  Hauser, Pritchard, and White have pretty durable track records.

My point is that there are going to be a lot of minutes for the Fringe NBA, Rookies, and 2-way players throughout the year.  It is not going to be all that much better than a summer league team on some nights.  Queta and Garza might be starters (keeping Pritchard and Hauser as bench guys).

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« Reply #1697 on: Yesterday at 10:00:31 AM »

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Fringe NBA Vet:      Tillman, Niang, Garza, Queta
Fringe NBA Young:  Walsh, Scheierman, Davison
Rookies/2-way:       Gonzalez, Williams, Shulga, Norris

That's ugly.  It's gotta be one of the worst bottom-10s in the NBA, and right now two of those guys will be starters.


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« Reply #1698 on: Yesterday at 10:15:21 AM »

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Fringe NBA Vet:      Tillman, Niang, Garza, Queta
Fringe NBA Young:  Walsh, Scheierman, Davison
Rookies/2-way:       Gonzalez, Williams, Shulga, Norris

That's ugly.  It's gotta be one of the worst bottom-10s in the NBA, and right now two of those guys will be starters.
Am I looking at Maine roster coming up????
C/PF-Horford, Baynes, Noel, Theis, Morris,
SF/SG- Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Smart, Semi, Clark
PG- Irving, Rozier, Larkin

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« Reply #1699 on: Yesterday at 10:28:51 AM »

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Fringe NBA Vet:      Tillman, Niang, Garza, Queta
Fringe NBA Young:  Walsh, Scheierman, Davison
Rookies/2-way:       Gonzalez, Williams, Shulga, Norris

That's ugly.  It's gotta be one of the worst bottom-10s in the NBA, and right now two of those guys will be starters.
Am I looking at Maine roster coming up????

I think we all knew this was coming but we didn't know how bad it would look after Tatum went down.  The hard part is that if the team is going to be bad then be bad.  I don't want a fringe playoff team that gets knocked out of the first round and has a middle of the road pick.  All the years of championship contention had us spoiled.  At some point this team needed to reset and get young talent.  The only way to do that is through the draft. 

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« Reply #1700 on: Yesterday at 10:51:57 AM »

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Fringe NBA Vet:      Tillman, Niang, Garza, Queta
Fringe NBA Young:  Walsh, Scheierman, Davison
Rookies/2-way:       Gonzalez, Williams, Shulga, Norris

That's ugly.  It's gotta be one of the worst bottom-10s in the NBA, and right now two of those guys will be starters.

People are too harsh on Niang on this board because of his dirty play.  I get disliking him and not wanting him on the team, but he belongs on the same tier as Hauser when discussing our roster, and not as a fringe NBA vet.  He isn?t awesome, but he also belongs in an NBA rotation.

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« Reply #1701 on: Yesterday at 11:01:35 AM »

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Fringe NBA Vet:      Tillman, Niang, Garza, Queta
Fringe NBA Young:  Walsh, Scheierman, Davison
Rookies/2-way:       Gonzalez, Williams, Shulga, Norris

That's ugly.  It's gotta be one of the worst bottom-10s in the NBA, and right now two of those guys will be starters.

People are too harsh on Niang on this board because of his dirty play.  I get disliking him and not wanting him on the team, but he belongs on the same tier as Hauser when discussing our roster, and not as a fringe NBA vet.  He isn?t awesome, but he also belongs in an NBA rotation.

He averaged 20 minutes per game last year in Atlanta and Cleveland. I expect in Boston he will average close to 30 minutes a game. Issue is can he get himself in shape to play that many minutes.

He really is the only PF on the team at this point. I can't stand him. Hate his game. Think is he a dirty player. But who else do they have?

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« Reply #1702 on: Yesterday at 11:09:11 AM »

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I would say for sure the Cs are behind the Bucks now in the East

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« Reply #1703 on: Yesterday at 11:30:19 AM »

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I would say for sure the Cs are behind the Bucks now in the East

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BREAKING: Free agent center Myles Turner has agreed to a four-year, $107 million deal with the Milwaukee Bucks, plus a player option for year four in 2028-29 and a full 15% trade kicker, sources tell ESPN. Stunner.

Indy must be trying to save money as well no? Time to break the ECF core with Hali out.

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« Reply #1704 on: Yesterday at 11:30:26 AM »

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Fringe NBA Vet:      Tillman, Niang, Garza, Queta
Fringe NBA Young:  Walsh, Scheierman, Davison
Rookies/2-way:       Gonzalez, Williams, Shulga, Norris

That's ugly.  It's gotta be one of the worst bottom-10s in the NBA, and right now two of those guys will be starters.

It is hard to find one worse.

* Brooklyn?
* maybe Utah?
* Sacramento are one to keep an eye on. Already lost LaRavia. Lost som depth in the Fox trade. Didn't have much to begin with.
* Denver's bench is still terrible. Bruce Brown gives them 6 legit players. Then it gets dicey. Incredible that a contender can have a bench this bad. And year after year at that. I am not sure I have ever seen another title contender have one of the worst benches in the league year after year. Self-sabotage.
* Perhaps Toronto. They are pretty weak. J Shead, Ja'Kobe Walter, G Dick, C Boucher, Mogbo.

That is it.

Charlotte has a better bench. New Orleans has a better bench (just).

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« Reply #1705 on: Yesterday at 11:31:40 AM »

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I would say for sure the Cs are behind the Bucks now in the East

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Indy must be trying to save money as well no? Time to break the ECF core with Hali out.

Yeah, there was talk about them doing so. Figuring out how much tax they could afford and whether they would pay it with Hali out. Not a wealthy team. Smaller market. Tougher on them than us.

I don't understand. How is Milwaukee paying this money? This must be a sign and trade right?

$107m / 4yrs is a great deal for M Turner. $26-27mil a season. For a top 15 center. Maybe top 10 center. Cheap.

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« Reply #1706 on: Yesterday at 11:36:02 AM »

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Fringe NBA Vet:      Tillman, Niang, Garza, Queta
Fringe NBA Young:  Walsh, Scheierman, Davison
Rookies/2-way:       Gonzalez, Williams, Shulga, Norris

That's ugly.  It's gotta be one of the worst bottom-10s in the NBA, and right now two of those guys will be starters.

People are too harsh on Niang on this board because of his dirty play.  I get disliking him and not wanting him on the team, but he belongs on the same tier as Hauser when discussing our roster, and not as a fringe NBA vet.  He isn?t awesome, but he also belongs in an NBA rotation.

I don't think G Niang is on the same tier as Hauser. Hauser is a well above average bench SF. He can defend his position adequately. Niang cannot defend his position. He is an offense-only player. He is a below average bench PF.

But I agree he is a legit rotation player unlike the rest of them. Queta, Scheierman, J Walsh, H Gonzales, Garza. All have a lot to prove to be put on a tier with Niang.

Niang needs a tier to himself. Not as good as Hauser. Not as bad as the rest. Gosh, he is actually our 6th best player. That is shocking. Solid 9th man though. Hopefully Horford will come back and make Niang our 7th man!

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« Reply #1707 on: Yesterday at 11:36:57 AM »

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Fringe NBA Vet:      Tillman, Niang, Garza, Queta
Fringe NBA Young:  Walsh, Scheierman, Davison
Rookies/2-way:       Gonzalez, Williams, Shulga, Norris

That's ugly.  It's gotta be one of the worst bottom-10s in the NBA, and right now two of those guys will be starters.

People are too harsh on Niang on this board because of his dirty play.  I get disliking him and not wanting him on the team, but he belongs on the same tier as Hauser when discussing our roster, and not as a fringe NBA vet.  He isn't awesome, but he also belongs in an NBA rotation.

I admit to not being all that clear about what to expect from Niang.  So taking Celtics2021 at his word and upgrading Niang, I revise my summary as follows (with an asterisk for Niang):

Solid Starters:        Brown, White, Simons
Solid Bench:           Pritchard, Hauser, Niang*
(All guards so far, not likely the starting 5)
Fringe NBA Vet:      Tillman, Garza, Queta
Fringe NBA Young:  Walsh, Scheierman, Davison
Rookies/2-way:       Gonzalez, Williams, Shulga, Norris

So that makes a roster with 6 actual NBA players (up from 5).  If Niang is better than we all think, he probably starts at PF with Queta, Brown, White, and Simons.

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« Reply #1708 on: Yesterday at 11:59:10 AM »

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Cs should sign Dame on the cheap, bring him in and let him rehab with Tatum. Have him for 2026 see what he has.

Sign him now to oversee the rehab in your building.

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« Reply #1709 on: Yesterday at 12:00:08 PM »

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Cs should sign Dame on the cheap, bring him in and let him rehab with Tatum. Have him for 2026 see what he has.

I like that idea.