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[Kuberski33]

I'm still holding out hope of a trade.  Maybe Ace Bailey is available as he hasn't yet flown to Utah and no one knows when or if he is going to.

Don't think Brown makes sense there so maybe a 3 team trade

Boston - Vassell, Johnson, Castle, Bailey
San An - Brown, Collins
Utah - Barnes, Sochan, Scheireman, Carter Bryant, 26 SA 1st (ATL), 27 ATL 1st, 28 SA 1st (BOS), 30 SA 1st (MIN/DAL)

That seems like fair value for all 3 teams. Spurs go all in and become a top 3 team next year.  Boston gets some decent vets along with 2 high end young players.  Utah gets a lotto pick this year (essentially dropping back 9 spots) and 4 future 1st none of which are solely in SA fate (meaning they could be pretty valuable).

I keep waiting for the shoe to drop with Brown being dealt to Utah and Bailey plus others being sent to Boston.

It would be depressing to be counting on Ace Bailey becoming a star. The whole team's future dependent on it.

Another Ron Mercer.

He didn't exactly turn the Rutgers program around.

[Celtics2021]

Horford, however, is a must-sign. We gotta have him. I couldn't care less about Kornet.

I agree with everything but this.  Every season could be Horford's last season.  Why spend money on Horford for the 2025-26 season?  It is a lost season.  Who cares.  What matters is who we have for 2026 and beyond.  That is why I agree on keeping Hauser.  He is part of that 2026 and beyond, a productive player on a fair contract.  But how likely is it that Horford is even still playing in 2026-27?  And if he is still playing, at what level is he playing?

And really what would matter with Horford is how is he playing in May and June in 2027 when the Celtics would be expected to be in the playoffs again.  That is a long way away for a NBA player who just turned 39.  Are you suggesting signing Horford to a 2 or 3 year deal?  It doesn't make sense to me for either Horford or the Celtics.  2025-26 is potentially Horford's last season.  Does it makes sense for him to play his potentially last season on a gap year team?

The Celtics will be in the playoffs this season.  The East is not good.  White, Pritchard, Simons, Jaylen, Hauser, Horford, and Kornet is a competitive top 7, and hopefully some guys like Scheierman or Walsh step up as well.  The Celtics are not winning 60 games, but barring a rash of additional injuries, they are still a playoff team.  Holiday was not awesome last season.  Porzingis was not presnet half the season and a liability half the time he was available. Tatum is the obvious major loss, but we are not dropping 20 wins off our total because of his absence, at least if we are able to keep our two bigs.  We still have the talent to win 48-50 games, and there is accordingly room and reason for Horford.

[Moranis]

Horford, however, is a must-sign. We gotta have him. I couldn't care less about Kornet.

I agree with everything but this.  Every season could be Horford's last season.  Why spend money on Horford for the 2025-26 season?  It is a lost season.  Who cares.  What matters is who we have for 2026 and beyond.  That is why I agree on keeping Hauser.  He is part of that 2026 and beyond, a productive player on a fair contract.  But how likely is it that Horford is even still playing in 2026-27?  And if he is still playing, at what level is he playing?

And really what would matter with Horford is how is he playing in May and June in 2027 when the Celtics would be expected to be in the playoffs again.  That is a long way away for a NBA player who just turned 39.  Are you suggesting signing Horford to a 2 or 3 year deal?  It doesn't make sense to me for either Horford or the Celtics.  2025-26 is potentially Horford's last season.  Does it makes sense for him to play his potentially last season on a gap year team?

The Celtics will be in the playoffs this season.  The East is not good.  White, Pritchard, Simons, Jaylen, Hauser, Horford, and Kornet is a competitive top 7, and hopefully some guys like Scheierman or Walsh step up as well.  The Celtics are not winning 60 games, but barring a rash of additional injuries, they are still a playoff team.  Holiday was not awesome last season.  Porzingis was not presnet half the season and a liability half the time he was available. Tatum is the obvious major loss, but we are not dropping 20 wins off our total because of his absence, at least if we are able to keep our two bigs.  We still have the talent to win 48-50 games, and there is accordingly room and reason for Horford.

that is not a top 7 team. Lucky to be in the play in. It won't however be near bottom which hurts the draft pick. 

[Moranis]

I'm still holding out hope of a trade.  Maybe Ace Bailey is available as he hasn't yet flown to Utah and no one knows when or if he is going to.

Don't think Brown makes sense there so maybe a 3 team trade

Boston - Vassell, Johnson, Castle, Bailey
San An - Brown, Collins
Utah - Barnes, Sochan, Scheireman, Carter Bryant, 26 SA 1st (ATL), 27 ATL 1st, 28 SA 1st (BOS), 30 SA 1st (MIN/DAL)

That seems like fair value for all 3 teams. Spurs go all in and become a top 3 team next year.  Boston gets some decent vets along with 2 high end young players.  Utah gets a lotto pick this year (essentially dropping back 9 spots) and 4 future 1st none of which are solely in SA fate (meaning they could be pretty valuable).

I keep waiting for the shoe to drop with Brown being dealt to Utah and Bailey plus others being sent to Boston.

It would be depressing to be counting on Ace Bailey becoming a star. The whole team's future dependent on it.

Another Ron Mercer.

the team would also be worse next year improving the 26 lottery pick.  Castle is also an excellent prospect.  So Castle, Bailey, 26 high lotto pick (Dybantsa, Boozer, Peterson, Menace, Stokes) gives the team 3 good shots at hitting on a star.  Vassell, Johnson, and Simons are quality rotation level young vets that can be contributors moving forward or trade assets. Still have White and Tatum.

Guards - White, Castle, Vassell, Simons,  Pritchard, Gonzalez
Wings - Tatum, Bailey, Johnson,  Hauser
Bigs - 26 lotto, Kornet, Williams

Ideally you'd move a couple guards for a big guy and balance team better

[Moranis]

I don't agree with the concept of trading Brown to deconstruct the roster to allow a new and better roster to be built.  You do that when your roster has gotten too old or for some other reason that current players cannot be expected to be part of a contending roster in the future.  Brown can be a key player on a contending team now and in the future.

I do not support the whole concept of trading Brown primarily for draft picks.  If you can get Giannis or maybe something like Sabonis, trading a top player for a different type of top player to pair with Tatum, then OK.  But Tatum-Brown-White could have a 5-year run as a top team.  These rookies and draft picks may or may not even turn out to be good.

who else is on that team and how are you acquiring those players?

[boscel33]

Wonder if the C's are going to get into the undrafted market?  Seeing players already signing with teams this morning.

https://hardwoodhoudini.com/boston-celtics-quietly-make-pair-roster-moves-after-2025-nba-draft-aaron-scott-ben-gregg

[blink]

I don't agree with the concept of trading Brown to deconstruct the roster to allow a new and better roster to be built.  You do that when your roster has gotten too old or for some other reason that current players cannot be expected to be part of a contending roster in the future.  Brown can be a key player on a contending team now and in the future.

I do not support the whole concept of trading Brown primarily for draft picks.  If you can get Giannis or maybe something like Sabonis, trading a top player for a different type of top player to pair with Tatum, then OK.  But Tatum-Brown-White could have a 5-year run as a top team.  These rookies and draft picks may or may not even turn out to be good.

who else is on that team and how are you acquiring those players?

why do you want to get rid of a top 20 player in their prime for a bunch of draft picks that might not even get you near to that level of player?   At the same time, do you think Tatum is ok with wasting multiple years of his prime?  Because that is what you are doing by bottoming out.   So JT is out a year with an injury and the C's trade away the 1a from the team because they can't be patient for a year?   That is how you get JT to ask for a trade.

[Moranis]

I don't agree with the concept of trading Brown to deconstruct the roster to allow a new and better roster to be built.  You do that when your roster has gotten too old or for some other reason that current players cannot be expected to be part of a contending roster in the future.  Brown can be a key player on a contending team now and in the future.

I do not support the whole concept of trading Brown primarily for draft picks.  If you can get Giannis or maybe something like Sabonis, trading a top player for a different type of top player to pair with Tatum, then OK.  But Tatum-Brown-White could have a 5-year run as a top team.  These rookies and draft picks may or may not even turn out to be good.

who else is on that team and how are you acquiring those players?

why do you want to get rid of a top 20 player in their prime for a bunch of draft picks that might not even get you near to that level of player?   At the same time, do you think Tatum is ok with wasting multiple years of his prime?  Because that is what you are doing by bottoming out.   So JT is out a year with an injury and the C's trade away the 1a from the team because they can't be patient for a year?   That is how you get JT to ask for a trade.

the goal should be to win a title and I dont see a path to winning a title without a full reset.

And Brown isnt a top 20 player according to the few lists out there. Like the ringer who had him at 21 in their most recent rankings (he is dropping down their list - which makes sense since he is injured yet again).

I just see us sitting at this time next summer with an older core, no real options of improving, and the firm realization that that trio isnt good enough. 1 year later, the trade value is less, the team has again paid the tax, and has a worse draft pick then if they just do the reset now.  There was no reason to do the Mann and 22 dump right now if you weren't going to keep going. 

[Roy H.]

Bobby Manning @RealBobManning
about 5 hours ago
Next #Celtics date to watch: JD Davison's team option due SUN. Declining would drop C's below the 3rd tax bracket, bring their tax hit down to ~$43M & pull them within $5.1M of the 1st apron line, $12.8M of the tax line

No need to pick that option up.

[Jiri Welsch]

Bobby Manning @RealBobManning
about 5 hours ago
Next #Celtics date to watch: JD Davison's team option due SUN. Declining would drop C's below the 3rd tax bracket, bring their tax hit down to ~$43M & pull them within $5.1M of the 1st apron line, $12.8M of the tax line

No need to pick that option up.

Hey want to waste some money? Pick that thing up!!

[keevsnick]

Bobby Manning @RealBobManning
about 5 hours ago
Next #Celtics date to watch: JD Davison's team option due SUN. Declining would drop C's below the 3rd tax bracket, bring their tax hit down to ~$43M & pull them within $5.1M of the 1st apron line, $12.8M of the tax line

No need to pick that option up.

It's worth noting that although Bobby Manning makes this sound like a financial decision, its really not. Even if they decline Davidson's option they still need to fill that roster spot, and any vet player with 2+ years of experience will cost as much or more than Davidson's option year.

They may decline it if they think they can do better than Davidson in that spot, but it's not for financial reasons.

[Roy H.]

Bobby Manning @RealBobManning
about 5 hours ago
Next #Celtics date to watch: JD Davison's team option due SUN. Declining would drop C's below the 3rd tax bracket, bring their tax hit down to ~$43M & pull them within $5.1M of the 1st apron line, $12.8M of the tax line

No need to pick that option up.

It's worth noting that although Bobby Manning makes this sound like a financial decision, its really not. Even if they decline Davidson's option they still need to fill that roster spot, and any vet player with 2+ years of experience will cost as much or more than Davidson's option year.

They may decline it if they think they can do better than Davidson in that spot, but it's not for financial reasons.

He's just not an NBA player.  Cut him, and then offer something completely non-guaranteed if he's the best we can do.

[radiohead]

I don't agree with the concept of trading Brown to deconstruct the roster to allow a new and better roster to be built.  You do that when your roster has gotten too old or for some other reason that current players cannot be expected to be part of a contending roster in the future.  Brown can be a key player on a contending team now and in the future.

I do not support the whole concept of trading Brown primarily for draft picks.  If you can get Giannis or maybe something like Sabonis, trading a top player for a different type of top player to pair with Tatum, then OK.  But Tatum-Brown-White could have a 5-year run as a top team.  These rookies and draft picks may or may not even turn out to be good.

Excellent point. Trading JB and going on a full reset may even drive JT away from Boston.

[tazzmaniac]

When do the Holiday and KP trades become official?   

[tazzmaniac]

If the Celts are serious about retaining Horford and Kornet, how much is that going to cost?  This season Horford made 9.8M and Kornet made 2.8M.