Trade Idea: Ball for Brogdon

[JSD]

Bulls trade something like Lonzo and two top 4 protected first round picks for Brogdon.

It just makes too much sense

[Moranis]

Why would anyone trade 2 1st round picks for Brogdon

[BitterJim]

Why would anyone trade 2 1st round picks for Brogdon

My first thought was that one of them must be to get out of a year or two of Ball's contract, but nope. They both have 2 seasons remaining (assuming Ball picks up his player option, which seems like a pretty safe bet)

[JSD]

Why would anyone trade 2 1st round picks for Brogdon

Turning dead cap space into Brogdon has to be worth something. Portland isn’t going to take on $20 Million of dead space for nothing, I don’t think 1 pick is enough.

So let’s say it’s a first and a second. Who says no?

[Birdman]

Why would anyone trade for Ball?? He’s probably done

[BitterJim]

Why would anyone trade for Ball?? He’s probably done

"Why would anyone trade for Kris Humphries, Gerald Wallace, and Kieth Bogans? They aren't good"

"Why would anyone trade for Kemba Walker? He's overpaid and cooked"

Because it's not about the player(s), it's about the picks. The players are just matching salary

[Vermont Green]

I think the premise of the trade is similar to the SAC-DAL Richaun Holmes salary dump, at least the dumping Ball part of it.  In that trade, SAC gave DAL a first round pick so that they would take Holmes ($12.9M) into a TPE they had from an earlier trade.

In the proposed trade, CHI is getting out of Ball's contact but instead of a pure salary dump, they are getting back a player (Brogdon) who can actually help them now.  Ball is a bad contract due to injury, he is just taking up space on CHI's roster.  Brogdon is not a bad contract, he is a good player who can help a contending team as a starter.

So if the price to dump Holmes and his 1 year $12.9M is a late first (it was actually #24 I believe), what is the cost to dump 2 years and about $43M Ball contract?  I thought SAC gave a lot to dump Holmes, I think POR would be happy with 1 first to take on Ball. who may follow Shaun Livingston and find his way to some productive play at some point.  Then the question is what is Brogdon worth?  The Celtics gave up a first and some useful players (Nesmith, Theis) and that was before Brogdon won 6moY award.  I can't see that he is worth less than that now.

I see this as a reasonable trade proposal.

[Moranis]

Doesn't Chicago have insurance on Ball though? I just don't get the trade for Chicago. Makes no sense.  Maybe for a 2nd round pick or two, but not a first let alone 2.

[Donoghus]

Doesn't Chicago have insurance on Ball though? I just don't get the trade for Chicago. Makes no sense.  Maybe for a 2nd round pick or two, but not a first let alone 2.

Yeah, I can't see a treadmill team giving up 2 first round picks for Brogdon, let alone one.

[BitterJim]

Doesn't Chicago have insurance on Ball though? I just don't get the trade for Chicago. Makes no sense.  Maybe for a 2nd round pick or two, but not a first let alone 2.

A Brogdon-Ball swap would definitely have a first associated with it. You're severally underrating Brogdon if you think a second (or two) would get it done. 2 firsts is too much, but 1 first is equally ridiculous

[Moranis]

Doesn't Chicago have insurance on Ball though? I just don't get the trade for Chicago. Makes no sense.  Maybe for a 2nd round pick or two, but not a first let alone 2.

A Brogdon-Ball swap would definitely have a first associated with it. You're severally underrating Brogdon if you think a second (or two) would get it done. 2 firsts is too much, but 1 first is equally ridiculous

what team is giving up a 1st for Brogdon?

[BitterJim]

Doesn't Chicago have insurance on Ball though? I just don't get the trade for Chicago. Makes no sense.  Maybe for a 2nd round pick or two, but not a first let alone 2.

A Brogdon-Ball swap would definitely have a first associated with it. You're severally underrating Brogdon if you think a second (or two) would get it done. 2 firsts is too much, but 1 first is equally ridiculous

what team is giving up a 1st for Brogdon?

What team is accepting only a second rounder in return for Brogdon?

[Moranis]

Doesn't Chicago have insurance on Ball though? I just don't get the trade for Chicago. Makes no sense.  Maybe for a 2nd round pick or two, but not a first let alone 2.

A Brogdon-Ball swap would definitely have a first associated with it. You're severally underrating Brogdon if you think a second (or two) would get it done. 2 firsts is too much, but 1 first is equally ridiculous

what team is giving up a 1st for Brogdon?

What team is accepting only a second rounder in return for Brogdon?

The team that wants an asset and can't anything better.

[Who]

Why would anyone trade 2 1st round picks for Brogdon

Turning dead cap space into Brogdon has to be worth something. Portland isn’t going to take on $20 Million of dead space for nothing, I don’t think 1 pick is enough.

So let’s say it’s a first and a second. Who says no?

1 first for Brogdon is a fair price.
1 first for taking Lonzo's dead contract is a fair price.

2 firsts in this deal is fair.

[Who]

I don't like it for Chicago. I don't like the fit of Brogdon next to DeRozan and LaVine. I believe Brogdon to be too much of a one-on-one player, an iso type player, a ball-dominant player, to fit next to those two. DeRozan is also very much this same style of player.

LaVine is the least of the three of them but he still needs quite a bit of the ball given how prolific a scorer he is. LaVine is ball-dominant too but not as much as the other two. He blends better with other talent than those two do.

DeRozan and Brogdon would clash in a major way. DeRozan with his mid-post isos. Brogdon with his high PnR turning into isos. They would be a your turn, my turn type of offense.

Lonzo Ball was a great fit for Chicago because he was focused on team offense instead of individual offense. He was a passer, floor general and floor spacer first of all. That is why he fit so well next to two ball-dominant scorers. Chicago needs this type of a PG or a low usage type PG like they had with Pat Beverley in the 2nd half of last season. Not a high usage ball dominant PG like Brogdon.

Brogdon would have a similar effect in Chicago as in Boston. Two ball dominant stars only DeRozan is an even worse fit than Tatum or Jaylen are. LaVine is a similar fit. DeRozan's mid-post game fits worse. Brogdon played very well without the two stars on the floor alongside him here in Boston where Brogdon was allowed monopolize the offense but fell back into role player floor spacer mode when they were on the floor next to them because his offensive creation did not function well alongside them. It would be similar in Chicago. No use paying big (firsts, salary) for a guy who fits so badly next to your stars.

That does not even include Vucevic who needs touches and shots as well. I hadn't even thought of him. Worse again. Chicago need a team offense (Lonzo) or low usage style PG (Beverley). Not a medium efficiency high usage PG like Brogdon.