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Re: Celtics (1-0) at Knicks (0-0) Preseason Game #2 10/9/23
« Reply #165 on: October 10, 2023, 12:03:24 AM »

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Kornet with 4 points and 2 rebounds in 20 minutes of play. How can you be a 7’2” Center and get only 2 boards playing that many minutes… Pretty worried that he’s in the rotation and the first big off the bench…

It will surprise you then to know that Kornet had the 3rd most offensive rebounds for the Cs last season...Drew brought it up and I couldn't believe it so I had to check.



Also, he's at 11.9% Offensive Reb %, which is 2nd on the team behind Timelord at 14%. Amazing isn't it. Defensive rebound % he's mid pack which is where we expect but he's (apparently) a beast on the offensive glass  :angel:

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Re: Celtics (1-0) at Knicks (0-0) Preseason Game #2 10/9/23
« Reply #166 on: October 10, 2023, 12:07:29 AM »

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I imagine they will lean more heavily on Lamar and Brissett on days that Al plays.

If Al sits, then they will play Luke more.

Re: Celtics (1-0) at Knicks (0-0) Preseason Game #2 10/9/23
« Reply #167 on: October 10, 2023, 06:40:15 AM »

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Kornet is unplayable

Hauser provides next to nothing.

Re: Celtics (1-0) at Knicks (0-0) Preseason Game #2 10/9/23
« Reply #168 on: October 10, 2023, 07:23:25 AM »

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Any good YT roundups on the games for those of us who can't watch them live?
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Re: Celtics (1-0) at Knicks (0-0) Preseason Game #2 10/9/23
« Reply #169 on: October 10, 2023, 07:36:17 AM »

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Any good YT roundups on the games for those of us who can't watch them live?
The NBA is pretty quick to put up highlights. I like Tomasz Kordylewski's channel (https://www.youtube.com/@Timi.) He is a private fan that puts up awesome cuts. He does individual player highlights (including FTs) in addition to game highlights.

I have YT tv and league pass, but these NY ones are blacked out. I live in Upstate NY so the MSG broadcast isn't readily available. It is pretty frustrating.
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Re: Celtics (1-0) at Knicks (0-0) Preseason Game #2 10/9/23
« Reply #170 on: October 10, 2023, 08:30:41 AM »

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It's not fair to judge guys when they're playing out of their normal roles, but reading the game thread there's a general consensus that:

* all of our bigs sucked;
* Banton was solid;
* Pritchard was the best player on the floor

Does that sound right?  I didn't see the game. 

I was surprised to see Banton jack up 17 shots.  That sounds like a guy trying to put up numbers to secure his roster spot.  Were his shots forced, or within the flow of the offense?  How was his defense?  Passing?

Svi and Stevens looked okay?

Other than his poor effort from outside, how was Brissett?  Hauser?


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Re: Celtics (1-0) at Knicks (0-0) Preseason Game #2 10/9/23
« Reply #171 on: October 10, 2023, 08:38:48 AM »

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It's not fair to judge guys when they're playing out of their normal roles, but reading the game thread there's a general consensus that:

* all of our bigs sucked;
* Banton was solid;
* Pritchard was the best player on the floor

Does that sound right?  I didn't see the game. 

I was surprised to see Banton jack up 17 shots.  That sounds like a guy trying to put up numbers to secure his roster spot.  Were his shots forced, or within the flow of the offense?  How was his defense?  Passing?

Svi and Stevens looked okay?

Other than his poor effort from outside, how was Brissett?  Hauser?

I wonder if Banton is a guy who will look better in a game like this where he is allowed more freedom to attack off the dribble than in a game alongside the star talent where he has to take more of a back-seat and play more off ball.

If we are getting a bit of a false image based on last night's game due to the altered role.

Re: Celtics (1-0) at Knicks (0-0) Preseason Game #2 10/9/23
« Reply #172 on: October 10, 2023, 08:45:09 AM »

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Kornet with 4 points and 2 rebounds in 20 minutes of play. How can you be a 7’2” Center and get only 2 boards playing that many minutes… Pretty worried that he’s in the rotation and the first big off the bench…

It will surprise you then to know that Kornet had the 3rd most offensive rebounds for the Cs last season...Drew brought it up and I couldn't believe it so I had to check.



Also, he's at 11.9% Offensive Reb %, which is 2nd on the team behind Timelord at 14%. Amazing isn't it. Defensive rebound % he's mid pack which is where we expect but he's (apparently) a beast on the offensive glass  :angel:

Interesting, and Grant is only ahead of him due to having played far more minutes. 

I don't see the point in piling on Kornet.  We all know what he is.  He provided some useful injury replacement minutes last season while RWill was out.  In 69 games, 804 minutes, he filled in and was able to generate a +61.  He held his own, he didn't hurt the team.  That is what he is and that is what I expect him to be this season too.  I like Kornet so long as he is in the 13-15 range on the depth chart, you just can't expect any more than that from him.

The problem is that since we traded RWill and have not replaced him, Kornet is higher up on the depth chart  That is not his fault though.

I did not see the part of the NYK game where Queta played, but I assume he played like a 2-way player.  I did see Gabriel play.  I saw some amazing agility and athleticism from Gabriel but he is a long way from being a rotation NBA player, probably behind Kornet based on last night's play.  I suspect last night was not the best of Gabriel.  He probably needs more time with the team and will be better, but he does not appear to be the answer that we are looking for for the primary back up big behind Porzingis and Horford.

Re: Celtics (1-0) at Knicks (0-0) Preseason Game #2 10/9/23
« Reply #173 on: October 10, 2023, 09:00:29 AM »

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It's not fair to judge guys when they're playing out of their normal roles, but reading the game thread there's a general consensus that:

* all of our bigs sucked;
* Banton was solid;
* Pritchard was the best player on the floor

Does that sound right?  I didn't see the game. 

I was surprised to see Banton jack up 17 shots. That sounds like a guy trying to put up numbers to secure his roster spot.  Were his shots forced, or within the flow of the offense?  How was his defense?  Passing?

Svi and Stevens looked okay?

Other than his poor effort from outside, how was Brissett?  Hauser?

I only saw the 4th quarter but Banton per the box score was actually 8 for 19.  I thought he looked better than in the PHI game, but still not that good.  Doesn't seem to play with purpose, just kind of runs around trying to keep up with the game.  Not sure what kind of ceiling there may be with him.

I was also interested to see how Mykhailiuk played.  His box score looked pretty good but he must have done most of his damage earlier in the game as he didn't do much in the 4th.  He is definitely a shot hunter, which is good and bad.  He is listed at 6'-7" (like just about all our bench) but plays smaller.  To me, he is a big guard, which is fine.  I would have him behind Pritchard but ahead of Banton.

Stevens to me played well, just like in the PHI game.  He looks like a keeper to me, he demonstrated that he can play as a solid NBA bench player.  Listed at 6'-6" but more of a forward to me than Mykhailiuk, but not a PF like Grant.  Stevens looks to be behind Brissett but maybe ahead of Hauser, at least he has played better than Hauser so far this off season as Hauser has not played well in my view.

Re: Celtics (1-0) at Knicks (0-0) Preseason Game #2 10/9/23
« Reply #174 on: October 10, 2023, 09:34:15 AM »

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It's gonna be brutal having to watch Kornet play heavy minutes in some of these games...
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Re: Celtics (1-0) at Knicks (0-0) Preseason Game #2 10/9/23
« Reply #175 on: October 10, 2023, 09:45:45 AM »

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Unfortunately we are stuck with Kornet. Brad and Joe are going to die on that hill and watching him play meaningful minutes this year will be tough.

Re: Celtics (1-0) at Knicks (0-0) Preseason Game #2 10/9/23
« Reply #176 on: October 10, 2023, 10:27:59 AM »

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It's not fair to judge guys when they're playing out of their normal roles, but reading the game thread there's a general consensus that:

* all of our bigs sucked;
* Banton was solid;
* Pritchard was the best player on the floor

Does that sound right?  I didn't see the game. 

I was surprised to see Banton jack up 17 shots.  That sounds like a guy trying to put up numbers to secure his roster spot.  Were his shots forced, or within the flow of the offense?  How was his defense?  Passing?

Svi and Stevens looked okay?

Other than his poor effort from outside, how was Brissett?  Hauser?

This is all accurate imo. 

Banton did okay as one of our primary scoring options.  I don't have an issue with the number of shots that he took, because he and Pritchard were the only guys in the starting lineup who had much success creating a shot.  He was getting to the rim quite a bit.  But I don't think he would handle a small supporting role as well.  Not for lack of effort mind you; he's a willing cutter off ball.  He just doesn't appear to have the hands or the finishing ability (he fumbles passes and can chuck up some pretty wild layups if he's not under control) to make the most of that, and he's a poor outside shooter.  He needs the ball in his hands to make an impact on the game, and as a third-string guard it's hard for me to imagine when that ever happens.  Willing defender.  Passing... eh, he's definitely looking to score.  I can see why Brad took an interest in him, but at same time, I can also see why he never broke through with Toronto.

Svi's offense was better than advertised and his defense was worse than advertised to me.  Well-rounded offensive game, not just a spot-up shooter, can attack a closeout and make a pass off of the bounce.  Cone on defense though.  I think Hauser will shake out as the better option for us since he can carry his own water defensively.  But Svi can play. 

I think Brissett and Stevens are cut from the same cloth. Physical forwards who hustle and defend, poor outside shooters.  Stevens had the better game last night.  I do think they're a bit redundant but versatile defenders with motors aren't a bad thing to have multiples of. 

Hauser can't find his stroke right now but still looks like an adequate defender and quietly tied for the team lead with eight boards.  His shooting is the part of his game I'm NOT worried about.  He'll figure it out. 

Walsh kind of strikes me as a Robert Covington type of player.  Great length (seriously, dude's arms just keep going), and enough quickness to defend smaller players on the outside.  Navigates screens well.  Not sure he'll ever be a good offensive player but man, the tools are there on the other end. 
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Re: Celtics (1-0) at Knicks (0-0) Preseason Game #2 10/9/23
« Reply #177 on: October 10, 2023, 11:08:27 AM »

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Lack of wing shooting skill a big concern.  Hauser seems to have regressed as an athlete.  Svi is a sieve on defense.  Brissett, Walsh and Stevens are bad 3 point shooters.

But our biggest need is another decent center.  I already am lamenting the Jrue Holiday trade.  I think we will really miss Rob Williams and the added depth at the bigs when we face teams like Denver and the Lakers.  Hoping a decent back up center/power forward is available before the trade deadline that we can fit into the GW trade exception plus 2nd round picks.

Re: Celtics (1-0) at Knicks (0-0) Preseason Game #2 10/9/23
« Reply #178 on: October 10, 2023, 11:51:01 AM »

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I am not seeing it with Hauser. If he can't make 3s there is no point in playing him. He does not look for his shot anywhere else.

Re: Celtics (1-0) at Knicks (0-0) Preseason Game #2 10/9/23
« Reply #179 on: October 10, 2023, 11:55:58 AM »

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I'm conflicted about last night's game. On one hand, the backups had a full game to play, which will help in evaluation. On the other hand, the starters didn't play at all because it was the second night of a back to back. With two new starters, every game rep helps. Why schedule a team back to back night's in the preseason?