Woj: Jrue to Celtics

[Roy H.]

Purely hypothetical:  Milwaukee offers us Dame for Jrue, Hauser (in place of Grayson Allen), a #1 and two pick swaps.

Any interest?

I was making a case for Jrue over Lillard straight up on Reddit. The Bucks were 9 games worse this year and that was with 22 extra Middleton games and 10 extra Giannis games. They were quite simply a worse team with overrated Lillard.

So, no, of course not. But I'm guessing this hypothetical is just making an obvious point that MIL messed up.

Yep.  I don't know what Milwaukee was thinking, particularly because it was likely that Jrue would end up with Philly, Miami or Boston.

[jpotter33]

Purely hypothetical:  Milwaukee offers us Dame for Jrue, Hauser (in place of Grayson Allen), a #1 and two pick swaps.

Any interest?

I was making a case for Jrue over Lillard straight up on Reddit. The Bucks were 9 games worse this year and that was with 22 extra Middleton games and 10 extra Giannis games. They were quite simply a worse team with overrated Lillard.

So, no, of course not. But I'm guessing this hypothetical is just making an obvious point that MIL messed up.

Yep.  I don't know what Milwaukee was thinking, particularly because it was likely that Jrue would end up with Philly, Miami or Boston.

I honestly don't think we do a straight up Lillard for Jrue swap at this point, and it has as much to do with fit as anything. Like, sure, on the whole Lillard is the better overall player right now, but he's absolutely not what this team needs. For the Celtics, Jrue is exactly what this team needs.

It'd honestly probably take a little more from Milwaukee to make that worth our while. Just no point in that kind of trade for us.

[jambr380]

Purely hypothetical:  Milwaukee offers us Dame for Jrue, Hauser (in place of Grayson Allen), a #1 and two pick swaps.

Any interest?

I was making a case for Jrue over Lillard straight up on Reddit. The Bucks were 9 games worse this year and that was with 22 extra Middleton games and 10 extra Giannis games. They were quite simply a worse team with overrated Lillard.

So, no, of course not. But I'm guessing this hypothetical is just making an obvious point that MIL messed up.

Yep.  I don't know what Milwaukee was thinking, particularly because it was likely that Jrue would end up with Philly, Miami or Boston.

I honestly don't think we do a straight up Lillard for Jrue swap at this point, and it has as much to do with fit as anything. Like, sure, on the whole Lillard is the better overall player individual volume scorer right now, but he's absolutely not what this team needs. For the Celtics, Jrue is exactly what this team needs.

It'd honestly probably take a little more from Milwaukee to make that worth our while. Just no point in that kind of trade for us.

Made a minor change. But, yeah, between contract, fit, and intangibles (and you guys know how much I love intangibles based on my Smart love), MIL would have to have picks/swaps coming our way in a trade

[BringToughnessBack]

Purely hypothetical:  Milwaukee offers us Dame for Jrue, Hauser (in place of Grayson Allen), a #1 and two pick swaps.

Any interest?

I was making a case for Jrue over Lillard straight up on Reddit. The Bucks were 9 games worse this year and that was with 22 extra Middleton games and 10 extra Giannis games. They were quite simply a worse team with overrated Lillard.

So, no, of course not. But I'm guessing this hypothetical is just making an obvious point that MIL messed up.

Yep.  I don't know what Milwaukee was thinking, particularly because it was likely that Jrue would end up with Philly, Miami or Boston.

I honestly don't think we do a straight up Lillard for Jrue swap at this point, and it has as much to do with fit as anything. Like, sure, on the whole Lillard is the better overall player right now, but he's absolutely not what this team needs. For the Celtics, Jrue is exactly what this team needs.

It'd honestly probably take a little more from Milwaukee to make that worth our while. Just no point in that kind of trade for us.

Interesting enough. Lillard, Beal and Jrue all changed teams and only one improved their new team. Defense plus offense !

[SCeltic34]

Jrue does it again.  Game Series sealing rebound.

[ozgod]

Purely hypothetical:  Milwaukee offers us Dame for Jrue, Hauser (in place of Grayson Allen), a #1 and two pick swaps.

Any interest?

I was making a case for Jrue over Lillard straight up on Reddit. The Bucks were 9 games worse this year and that was with 22 extra Middleton games and 10 extra Giannis games. They were quite simply a worse team with overrated Lillard.

So, no, of course not. But I'm guessing this hypothetical is just making an obvious point that MIL messed up.

Yep.  I don't know what Milwaukee was thinking, particularly because it was likely that Jrue would end up with Philly, Miami or Boston.

I honestly don't think we do a straight up Lillard for Jrue swap at this point, and it has as much to do with fit as anything. Like, sure, on the whole Lillard is the better overall player right now, but he's absolutely not what this team needs. For the Celtics, Jrue is exactly what this team needs.

It'd honestly probably take a little more from Milwaukee to make that worth our while. Just no point in that kind of trade for us.

Interesting enough. Lillard, Beal and Jrue all changed teams and only one improved their new team. Defense plus offense !

Jrue impacts winning. The other 2 are stat padders. Well Beal is anyway 

[trickybilly]

Ho man, totally worthwhile going back and reading this thread.

Some really prescient comments right back when the news first dropped. A lot of people bemoaning our lack of big men with Rob getting traded - and someone retorting that he is never healthy and cannot trust him (Rob played 6 games this year).

Clearly we had zero faith in Kornet back then (I'm sure some people still don't like Kornet), and Tillman deal hadn't yet happened obviously.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

This is a friendly reminder that Stevens acquired Jrue Holiday for
Malcolm Brogdon
Warriors 2024 1st (Bubb Carrington)
Celtics 2029 unprotected 1st
Robert Williams

The Blazers acquired Deni Advija for
Malcolm Brogdon
Warriors 2024 1st (Bubb Carrington)
Blazers 2029 1st (least favorable)
2 2nd round picks

Those trades are really, really close in value when you consider Williams' injury history. I realize the contracts play a part in this, but when you add in the fact that we resigned Holiday, it's an even better deal.

[SCeltic34]

I said at the start of this season that if we won banner 18, I'd buy Holiday's jersey.  I knew he was going to be key in winning it all.  Incredible glue player.

I don't make promises I can't keep.

This is a friendly reminder that Stevens acquired Jrue Holiday for
Malcolm Brogdon
Warriors 2024 1st (Bubb Carrington)
Celtics 2029 unprotected 1st
Robert Williams

The Blazers acquired Deni Advija for
Malcolm Brogdon
Warriors 2024 1st (Bubb Carrington)
Blazers 2029 1st (least favorable)
2 2nd round picks

Those trades are really, really close in value when you consider Williams' injury history. I realize the contracts play a part in this, but when you add in the fact that we resigned Holiday, it's an even better deal.

Brad has done an incredible job.  Very grateful for him.  I was in the front row at the parade and I yelled as loud as I could "Thank you Brad!" twice when he passed by on the duckboat.  He didn't hear me because it was too loud.

[RJ87]

Purely hypothetical:  Milwaukee offers us Dame for Jrue, Hauser (in place of Grayson Allen), a #1 and two pick swaps.

Any interest?

I was making a case for Jrue over Lillard straight up on Reddit. The Bucks were 9 games worse this year and that was with 22 extra Middleton games and 10 extra Giannis games. They were quite simply a worse team with overrated Lillard.

So, no, of course not. But I'm guessing this hypothetical is just making an obvious point that MIL messed up.

Yep.  I don't know what Milwaukee was thinking, particularly because it was likely that Jrue would end up with Philly, Miami or Boston.

Not hard to see what Milwaukee was thinking. Dame and Giannis had a friendship and they knew Giannis wanted to play with him. On paper, that's a good pick and roll duo. Given that Giannis is a terrible FT shooter, a lot of the end of game offense was Middleton/Giannis pick and rolls with Middleton as the ballhandler. They were thinking Middleton's knee is questionable moving and Dame should be a big offensive upgrade there. Not a terrible plan at all - considering some of the other roster-building we've seen around the league.

[Roy H.]

Purely hypothetical:  Milwaukee offers us Dame for Jrue, Hauser (in place of Grayson Allen), a #1 and two pick swaps.

Any interest?

I was making a case for Jrue over Lillard straight up on Reddit. The Bucks were 9 games worse this year and that was with 22 extra Middleton games and 10 extra Giannis games. They were quite simply a worse team with overrated Lillard.

So, no, of course not. But I'm guessing this hypothetical is just making an obvious point that MIL messed up.

Yep.  I don't know what Milwaukee was thinking, particularly because it was likely that Jrue would end up with Philly, Miami or Boston.

Not hard to see what Milwaukee was thinking. Dame and Giannis had a friendship and they knew Giannis wanted to play with him. On paper, that's a good pick and roll duo. Given that Giannis is a terrible FT shooter, a lot of the end of game offense was Middleton/Giannis pick and rolls with Middleton as the ballhandler. They were thinking Middleton's knee is questionable moving and Dame should be a big offensive upgrade there. Not a terrible plan at all - considering some of the other roster-building we've seen around the league.

Defense matters, though.  That was the backbone of the team.  I've said for years that I'd prefer Jrue over Kyrie.  Jrue versus Dame is the same type of analysis.

They traded a guy who gave them 19/5/7 with elite defense for a guy who gave them 24/4/7 with no defense and worse efficiency.  They added Grayson Allen, a first rounder and two pick swaps.  And, as mentioned, it was 100% foreseeable that Jrue would end up on an Eastern rival.

[Phantom255x]

That final minute where he just took over against Indiana in Game 3 on the road was amazing.

We don't win the Finals without Jrue. I love Smart a lot but getting Jrue really pushed us over the top. And Porzingis was also missing most of the postseason so Jrue had to step up even more and do a lot of the little things, even if his stats didn't always look "flashy"

[jambr380]

That final minute where he just took over against Indiana in Game 3 on the road was amazing.

We don't win the Finals without Jrue. I love Smart a lot but getting Jrue really pushed us over the top. And Porzingis was also missing most of the postseason so Jrue had to step up even more and do a lot of the little things, even if his stats didn't always look "flashy"

Why even bring up Smart, though? The guy we traded Smart for barely played in the playoffs. We also had a much much much easier path than we ever had in the past.

I'm super-happy with Jrue and how he turned it on after a tough Miami series, but Smart doesn't have anything to do with this. It's not like if we had Smart instead of KP these playoffs we wouldn't have won this year.

Our 2022 and 2023 teams likely win this year. But I acknowledge with a healthy KP, this year's team likely wins one or both of those years.

[Celtics2021]

That final minute where he just took over against Indiana in Game 3 on the road was amazing.

We don't win the Finals without Jrue. I love Smart a lot but getting Jrue really pushed us over the top. And Porzingis was also missing most of the postseason so Jrue had to step up even more and do a lot of the little things, even if his stats didn't always look "flashy"

Why even bring up Smart, though? The guy we traded Smart for barely played in the playoffs. We also had a much much much easier path than we ever had in the past.

I'm super-happy with Jrue and how he turned it on after a tough Miami series, but Smart doesn't have anything to do with this. It's not like if we had Smart instead of KP these playoffs we wouldn't have won this year.

Our 2022 and 2023 teams likely win this year. But I acknowledge with a healthy KP, this year's team likely wins one or both of those years.

We did use a pick we received for Smart in the Holiday trade, so he?s tangentially involved.

[SHAQATTACK]

Lillard is old now and probably got nagging injuries.  In another couple years he ll be Kemba 2.0