Everyone's best guess on what specifically Brogdon is mad about

[obnoxiousmime]

Is it just the injury? Is it just the aborted trade? Is it a combination of both? Since it's an elbow injury, I can't see it being a situation where playing on it was career-threatening or anything like that. If he was pressured to have surgery but he didn't want to, would that be enough to anger him so greatly? Does he think that them trying to trade him was related to him choosing not to get the surgery? Is the injury something that has the chance of lingering and eventually requiring the surgery, thus making the trade a damaged goods situation?

I guess that's my best guess: that Brogdon didn't want surgery and the Celtics did, and he thinks trying to trade him was at least partially related to that disagreement and the different opinions on how that might affect his effectiveness this upcoming season. The Celtics obviously wouldn't want a Brogdon that suddenly would need surgery midseason and miss the playoffs, or one who is playing at less than 100% the whole year.

I also think the way the injury was reported after the fact and the way they kept playing him despite his obvious ineffectiveness ended up making him look bad. We didn't really know he was injured until later in the series and they never publicly did the "Malcolm is playing hurt" statement to take the heat off him. Did he think he shouldn't be playing? Did he think playing made the injury worse? Does he think he was made to look like the fall guy for the disappointing Heat series and being shopped was like an extension of that?

[Roy H.]

Has it been established that he is actually angry?

[W8ting2McHale]

I suppose any or all of that might be true, if he’s actually still angry about it.

He seemed to enjoy playing here. He had a chance to play in the postseason and won a major award, so it’s not surprising that he would be angry about being included in trade talks, but all these guys understand that it’s a business and everyone not named Tatum is going to be on the table. And Brown now for the time being since he’s signed.

The Clippers are not a bad destination. I wonder if the main concern over his injury status wasn’t due to Isaiah Thomas being traded while injured and how that played out. If the Clippers weren’t thrilled with the injury report I don’t blame them for doing due diligence.

Everyone knows what happened after Thomas played while he was injured only to be traded. The Brow remembered. Supposedly that was a major reason for his not wanting to be a Celtics. I guess with his injury history I can’t blame him for not trusting Danny Ainge.

Now Brogdon plays well. Plays through injuries in the playoffs. Almost gets traded in the offseason to improve the team. Not exactly the same but still not the best optics.

In the end it was Marcus Smart who was sacrificed, so no reason for him not to show up and do his job. He has the same opportunity as last year if not more, so no reason to be angry about it.

[SparzWizard]

Folks believe losing Smsrt is a big deal. But I was over with him chucking balls and his defensive intensive took a sieve last year. The leadership mindset wasn't correct under him. It was right to move on from him at this point.

Brogdon if healthy can still start or come off the bench for the C's to provide a spark. The question is when will he be healthy to play. If he's upset then best Brad shops him too and get whatever we can get back.

[obnoxiousmime]

Has it been established that he is actually angry?

I think it's at least been confirmed he was upset at the time of the aborted trade. Mazzulla talked about a "healing process" at the Jaylen Brown presser (this is also the appearance where he stated White would be starting without any explanation over how they came to that decision). Gary Washburn literally said "he's angry with the team," though he admittedly doesn't know if that's still presently the case.

Ramona Shelburne stated on ESPN "I think a lot of this has to do with what's going on with his elbow." On his Celtics Beat podcast, co-host Adam Kaufman said "I have heard some whispers that they are still trying to trade him," even if both hosts acknowledged that they honestly don't know if Brogdon is still upset currently.

Then you have the fact that almost everyone of note has reported early to camp but Brogdon is conspicuously missing. Now, I'm sure if no trade happens he'll report on the last possible day and say all the right things, because he's a professional. However, the fact that there's been nothing but radio silence from him and the team suggests to me that Brogdon and the organization still have some friction.

On the "this is nothing" side, they've only been adding wings like Svi and Stevens recently. If they were worried about guard depth, either because Brogdon is upset or due to his injury status, you'd think they'd at least add another guard.

[SHAQATTACK]

He knows long as he isn’t 100% healthy, yes they will be looking to trade him , GMs of the NBA are like that ,  it’s what they do . Keep a healthy competitive team on the court.

If he wants secure his position at any team , he ll have to prove he is still capable of performing at the level expected of him. He didn’t want surgery, so now it’s up to him to prove he was right and still play at a high level.

He might have some of the Kemba Walker hurt feelings syndrome.  Can’t keep guys because they are good guys and team players and pay them huge money to be cheer leaders. 

We ll see what’s what when he takes the court .

[celts55]

Who knows? Haven’t heard anything from him yet. I will say that I can understand if he feels his injury was not handled well by the team.
If he’s upset about the trade, he needs to get over it. Trades happen.
All he has to do is look at Smart. He got traded and yet he still had a bunch of Boston people at his wedding, including GM, coach, owners, and players. Although he was apparently hurt, he understands these things happen.
Again, I have no idea if he is actually upset, and if so why

[hpantazo]

I never understood why he was trying to play during the playoffs when it was clear the injury was preventing him from shooting anywhere near effectively. I mean, torn tendons in your shooting arm would be an obvious reason to sit as you would be hurting the team. Was it Brogdon insisting to play, or was it the Celtics who wanted to keep throwing him out there?

[SparzWizard]

I never understood why he was trying to play during the playoffs when it was clear the injury was preventing him from shooting anywhere near effectively. I mean, torn tendons in your shooting arm would be an obvious reason to sit as you would be hurting the team. Was it Brogdon insisting to play, or was it the Celtics who wanted to keep throwing him out there?

Wouldn't be surprised if Mazz kept playing him and didn't wanna clear out his bench...wasn't he obsessed with his same 7 or 8 man rotation

[Big333223]

Who knows? Haven’t heard anything from him yet. I will say that I can understand if he feels his injury was not handled well by the team.
If he’s upset about the trade, he needs to get over it. Trades happen.
All he has to do is look at Smart. He got traded and yet he still had a bunch of Boston people at his wedding, including GM, coach, owners, and players. Although he was apparently hurt, he understands these things happen.
Again, I have no idea if he is actually upset, and if so why

Until I hear something from Brogdon expressing dissatisfaction, it's all media gossip, to me.

[Neurotic Guy]

Who knows? Haven’t heard anything from him yet. I will say that I can understand if he feels his injury was not handled well by the team.
If he’s upset about the trade, he needs to get over it. Trades happen.
All he has to do is look at Smart. He got traded and yet he still had a bunch of Boston people at his wedding, including GM, coach, owners, and players. Although he was apparently hurt, he understands these things happen.
Again, I have no idea if he is actually upset, and if so why

Until I hear something from Brogdon expressing dissatisfaction, it's all media gossip, to me.

Agree.

[Silas]

Who knows? Haven’t heard anything from him yet. I will say that I can understand if he feels his injury was not handled well by the team.
If he’s upset about the trade, he needs to get over it. Trades happen.
All he has to do is look at Smart. He got traded and yet he still had a bunch of Boston people at his wedding, including GM, coach, owners, and players. Although he was apparently hurt, he understands these things happen.
Again, I have no idea if he is actually upset, and if so why

Until I hear something from Brogdon expressing dissatisfaction, it's all media gossip, to me.

Agree.

Also agree!

[liam]

Who knows? Haven’t heard anything from him yet. I will say that I can understand if he feels his injury was not handled well by the team.
If he’s upset about the trade, he needs to get over it. Trades happen.
All he has to do is look at Smart. He got traded and yet he still had a bunch of Boston people at his wedding, including GM, coach, owners, and players. Although he was apparently hurt, he understands these things happen.
Again, I have no idea if he is actually upset, and if so why

Until I hear something from Brogdon expressing dissatisfaction, it's all media gossip, to me.

Agree.

Also agree!

Ditto!

[obnoxiousmime]

It's fun to speculate about what might be happening behind the scenes. We're fans and we're not reporting these things, just talking about it. Is there harm in that?

I don't really get this mentality some fans have of distrusting the media in a knee-jerk fashion. As if players are honest and forthright all the time! Players are saying stuff to the media all the time anonymously or through intermediaries, because to actually go on record might damage their image. Teams are just as image-conscious, especially the Celtics. All they did last season was project togetherness even though it was clear there was friction with Mazzulla's inexperience, his 3-pt heavy system, and his handling of Grant's PT. However, if you tried to ask them about that last season they would look at you sideways and even be condescending in their response.

I think generally speaking we have a solid Celtics press core right now and they're not prone to sensationalism. Brogdon clearly was upset with what went down earlier this offseason, but if you actually require him to say that publicly to believe it then I guess you'll never believe it.

[No Nickname]

Who knows? Haven’t heard anything from him yet. I will say that I can understand if he feels his injury was not handled well by the team.
If he’s upset about the trade, he needs to get over it. Trades happen.
All he has to do is look at Smart. He got traded and yet he still had a bunch of Boston people at his wedding, including GM, coach, owners, and players. Although he was apparently hurt, he understands these things happen.
Again, I have no idea if he is actually upset, and if so why

Until I hear something from Brogdon expressing dissatisfaction, it's all media gossip, to me.

Agree.

Also agree!

Ditto!

Malcolm Brogdon is one of the most professional athletes in sports today.  He's been that way since he stepped on the floor at UVa.

He knows this is a business.  He knows nothing good could come from being a malcontent.

He's got maybe three more years in the league being a productive player.  He's not going to start burning bridges.

This is all nonsense.