2023-2024 NCAAF Official Thread

[tazzmaniac]

One item that I haven't seen mentioned here is the response of Florida politicians.  DeSantis is now talking about putting $1M in the state budget to allow FSU to sue.  Hopefully, everyone on here, regardless of their position on FSU missing the playoffs, can agree that these Florida politicians are being ridiculous and petulant. 

[tazzmaniac]

An interesting development. 

NCAA president Charlie Baker on Tuesday proposed the creation of a new subdivision within Division I that would allow the highest-resource schools the ability to compensate athletes directly through a trust fund and direct name, image and likeness (NIL) payments.

The groundbreaking proposal was sent out to Division I members and obtained by The Athletic on Tuesday morning, and it included the following recommendations:

The formation of a new subdivision made up of institutions with the highest resources that can directly compensate athletes through an “enhanced educational trust fund,” which requires the schools that opt into it an investment of at least $30,000 per year per athlete for at least half of the school’s eligible athletes. Schools would have to adhere to Title IX, providing equal monetary opportunities to both female and male athletes.

Schools in the new subdivision could create their own rules separate from the rest of D-I, and those rules would allow them the ability to address policies such as scholarship limits and roster size as well as transfers and NIL.

Any Division I school would be able to enter into an NIL deal with its athletes directly, which is not currently permissible.

Any Division I school would be able to distribute to any athlete funding related to educational benefits without any caps on such compensation.

https://theathletic.com/5114092/2023/12/05/ncaa-subdivision-athlete-compensation-charlie-baker/

So now athletes who are making way more than $30k a year get limited to $30k a year?  Seems shady to me.

No, it is a minimum of 30k, not a maximum.

If you think this isn’t the NCAA trying to limit compensation, you haven’t paid attention to the NCAA, in like, ever.

I don't think it is a limit at all except for the top level athletes.  This is about getting the lesser athletes, including women, paid.

It is about the NCAA and schools accepting reality of the situation and trying to claw back some control and trying to tamp down on the wild west aspects of NIL.  Having the 3rd party collectives, agents running the show is not good for the schools or the players. 

This article has a bit more details and some speculation. 
https://www.on3.com/news/the-ncaa-president-embraced-common-sense-whats-the-catch/

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One item that I haven't seen mentioned here is the response of Florida politicians.  DeSantis is now talking about putting $1M in the state budget to allow FSU to sue.  Hopefully, everyone on here, regardless of their position on FSU missing the playoffs, can agree that these Florida politicians are being ridiculous and petulant.

what a waste of money.

[Celtics2021]

An interesting development. 

NCAA president Charlie Baker on Tuesday proposed the creation of a new subdivision within Division I that would allow the highest-resource schools the ability to compensate athletes directly through a trust fund and direct name, image and likeness (NIL) payments.

The groundbreaking proposal was sent out to Division I members and obtained by The Athletic on Tuesday morning, and it included the following recommendations:

The formation of a new subdivision made up of institutions with the highest resources that can directly compensate athletes through an “enhanced educational trust fund,” which requires the schools that opt into it an investment of at least $30,000 per year per athlete for at least half of the school’s eligible athletes. Schools would have to adhere to Title IX, providing equal monetary opportunities to both female and male athletes.

Schools in the new subdivision could create their own rules separate from the rest of D-I, and those rules would allow them the ability to address policies such as scholarship limits and roster size as well as transfers and NIL.

Any Division I school would be able to enter into an NIL deal with its athletes directly, which is not currently permissible.

Any Division I school would be able to distribute to any athlete funding related to educational benefits without any caps on such compensation.

https://theathletic.com/5114092/2023/12/05/ncaa-subdivision-athlete-compensation-charlie-baker/

So now athletes who are making way more than $30k a year get limited to $30k a year?  Seems shady to me.

No, it is a minimum of 30k, not a maximum.

If you think this isn’t the NCAA trying to limit compensation, you haven’t paid attention to the NCAA, in like, ever.

I don't think it is a limit at all except for the top level athletes.  This is about getting the lesser athletes, including women, paid.

It’s really not.  That’s the PR, but it isn’t.

[Birdman]

Alabama vs Texas with Bama winning it all is my prediction...NCAA will be happy..

[Moranis]

An interesting development. 

NCAA president Charlie Baker on Tuesday proposed the creation of a new subdivision within Division I that would allow the highest-resource schools the ability to compensate athletes directly through a trust fund and direct name, image and likeness (NIL) payments.

The groundbreaking proposal was sent out to Division I members and obtained by The Athletic on Tuesday morning, and it included the following recommendations:

The formation of a new subdivision made up of institutions with the highest resources that can directly compensate athletes through an “enhanced educational trust fund,” which requires the schools that opt into it an investment of at least $30,000 per year per athlete for at least half of the school’s eligible athletes. Schools would have to adhere to Title IX, providing equal monetary opportunities to both female and male athletes.

Schools in the new subdivision could create their own rules separate from the rest of D-I, and those rules would allow them the ability to address policies such as scholarship limits and roster size as well as transfers and NIL.

Any Division I school would be able to enter into an NIL deal with its athletes directly, which is not currently permissible.

Any Division I school would be able to distribute to any athlete funding related to educational benefits without any caps on such compensation.

https://theathletic.com/5114092/2023/12/05/ncaa-subdivision-athlete-compensation-charlie-baker/

So now athletes who are making way more than $30k a year get limited to $30k a year?  Seems shady to me.

No, it is a minimum of 30k, not a maximum.

If you think this isn’t the NCAA trying to limit compensation, you haven’t paid attention to the NCAA, in like, ever.

I don't think it is a limit at all except for the top level athletes.  This is about getting the lesser athletes, including women, paid.

It’s really not.  That’s the PR, but it isn’t.

It won't limit overall compensation, it will just push it to more people. It will take from the rich and give to the poor. It will also even the playing field some among schools and change the rules entirely making them employees, but the money is still going to be there. May in fact be more money with the schools being in charge of it.  Easier to give a million bucks to a school than to a qb through random back channel sources.

[Celtics2021]

An interesting development. 

NCAA president Charlie Baker on Tuesday proposed the creation of a new subdivision within Division I that would allow the highest-resource schools the ability to compensate athletes directly through a trust fund and direct name, image and likeness (NIL) payments.

The groundbreaking proposal was sent out to Division I members and obtained by The Athletic on Tuesday morning, and it included the following recommendations:

The formation of a new subdivision made up of institutions with the highest resources that can directly compensate athletes through an “enhanced educational trust fund,” which requires the schools that opt into it an investment of at least $30,000 per year per athlete for at least half of the school’s eligible athletes. Schools would have to adhere to Title IX, providing equal monetary opportunities to both female and male athletes.

Schools in the new subdivision could create their own rules separate from the rest of D-I, and those rules would allow them the ability to address policies such as scholarship limits and roster size as well as transfers and NIL.

Any Division I school would be able to enter into an NIL deal with its athletes directly, which is not currently permissible.

Any Division I school would be able to distribute to any athlete funding related to educational benefits without any caps on such compensation.

https://theathletic.com/5114092/2023/12/05/ncaa-subdivision-athlete-compensation-charlie-baker/

So now athletes who are making way more than $30k a year get limited to $30k a year?  Seems shady to me.

No, it is a minimum of 30k, not a maximum.

If you think this isn’t the NCAA trying to limit compensation, you haven’t paid attention to the NCAA, in like, ever.

I don't think it is a limit at all except for the top level athletes.  This is about getting the lesser athletes, including women, paid.

It’s really not.  That’s the PR, but it isn’t.

It won't limit overall compensation, it will just push it to more people. It will take from the rich and give to the poor. It will also even the playing field some among schools and change the rules entirely making them employees, but the money is still going to be there. May in fact be more money with the schools being in charge of it.  Easier to give a million bucks to a school than to a qb through random back channel sources.

It might shift money from some student athletes to others, but it will not shift money from the self-interested parties (coaches and athletic directors, and NCAA officials) making these rules.  And they make a lot of money for themselves, as well as the family and friends they hire and contract with.

[tazzmaniac]

An interesting development. 

NCAA president Charlie Baker on Tuesday proposed the creation of a new subdivision within Division I that would allow the highest-resource schools the ability to compensate athletes directly through a trust fund and direct name, image and likeness (NIL) payments.

The groundbreaking proposal was sent out to Division I members and obtained by The Athletic on Tuesday morning, and it included the following recommendations:

The formation of a new subdivision made up of institutions with the highest resources that can directly compensate athletes through an “enhanced educational trust fund,” which requires the schools that opt into it an investment of at least $30,000 per year per athlete for at least half of the school’s eligible athletes. Schools would have to adhere to Title IX, providing equal monetary opportunities to both female and male athletes.

Schools in the new subdivision could create their own rules separate from the rest of D-I, and those rules would allow them the ability to address policies such as scholarship limits and roster size as well as transfers and NIL.

Any Division I school would be able to enter into an NIL deal with its athletes directly, which is not currently permissible.

Any Division I school would be able to distribute to any athlete funding related to educational benefits without any caps on such compensation.

https://theathletic.com/5114092/2023/12/05/ncaa-subdivision-athlete-compensation-charlie-baker/

So now athletes who are making way more than $30k a year get limited to $30k a year?  Seems shady to me.

No, it is a minimum of 30k, not a maximum.

If you think this isn’t the NCAA trying to limit compensation, you haven’t paid attention to the NCAA, in like, ever.

I don't think it is a limit at all except for the top level athletes.  This is about getting the lesser athletes, including women, paid.

It’s really not.  That’s the PR, but it isn’t.

It won't limit overall compensation, it will just push it to more people. It will take from the rich and give to the poor. It will also even the playing field some among schools and change the rules entirely making them employees, but the money is still going to be there. May in fact be more money with the schools being in charge of it.  Easier to give a million bucks to a school than to a qb through random back channel sources.

I do not think this proposal means the athletes become employees.  The NCAA/schools are still going to be fighting that.  This would give schools more direct control over how athletes are compensated. 

[tazzmaniac]

Alabama vs Texas with Bama winning it all is my prediction...NCAA will be happy..

I think it will be Alabama vs. Texas.  But I'm not as confident that Bama will beat Texas. 

[Moranis]

Alabama vs Texas with Bama winning it all is my prediction...NCAA will be happy..

I think it will be Alabama vs. Texas.  But I'm not as confident that Bama will beat Texas.

Michigan is the best team this year and I think after last year's debacle they will be ready.  Michigan over Bama covering the spread easily.  Less certain in other game as neither team has looked all that good of late. I think I'm leaning towards Washington to win outright, but I'd certainly take the points.

[Phantom255x]

Michigan > Alabama 34-31
Washington > Texas 38-35

Michigan > Washington 38-31

[Donoghus]

I think Washington beats Texas but I have no idea what is going to happen in Michigan-Alabama.

[tazzmaniac]

Alabama vs Texas with Bama winning it all is my prediction...NCAA will be happy..

I think it will be Alabama vs. Texas.  But I'm not as confident that Bama will beat Texas.

Michigan is the best team this year and I think after last year's debacle they will be ready.  Michigan over Bama covering the spread easily.  Less certain in other game as neither team has looked all that good of late. I think I'm leaning towards Washington to win outright, but I'd certainly take the points.

Why are they the best team?  The B1G overall is weak and even OSU was a bit down this season. 
Michigan's best OOC opponent was UNLV.  They struggled a bit with Maryland who was the only opponent other than OSU whose offense had a pulse.  Bama has had to play Texas, Ole Miss, LSU and Georgia. 

Bama isn't TCU.  I'd refer you to the previous year's debacle against Georgia.  I don't expect a debacle but I think Bama will prevail due to talent advantage and Saban having several weeks to prepare.  Also Bama's OL and DL mostly controlled the lines against Georgia which I did not expect.  I've heard Michigan has been having some issues with their OL.  McCarthy is a nice QB but he certainly doesn't scare anyone. 

Texas will have a talent advantage over Washington.  Sark had a great gameplan prepared for Bama this year and you might remember his masterpiece against OSU in 2020/21 championship.  Washington has had the luxury of playing Pac-12 defenses.  Washington is going to have to control Texas' excellent front 7 to have a chance. 

[Celtics2021]

Alabama vs Texas with Bama winning it all is my prediction...NCAA will be happy..

I think it will be Alabama vs. Texas.  But I'm not as confident that Bama will beat Texas.

Michigan is the best team this year and I think after last year's debacle they will be ready.  Michigan over Bama covering the spread easily.  Less certain in other game as neither team has looked all that good of late. I think I'm leaning towards Washington to win outright, but I'd certainly take the points.

Why are they the best team?  The B1G overall is weak and even OSU was a bit down this season. 
Michigan's best OOC opponent was UNLV.  They struggled a bit with Maryland who was the only opponent other than OSU whose offense had a pulse.  Bama has had to play Texas, Ole Miss, LSU and Georgia. 

Bama isn't TCU.  I'd refer you to the previous year's debacle against Georgia.  I don't expect a debacle but I think Bama will prevail due to talent advantage and Saban having several weeks to prepare.  Also Bama's OL and DL mostly controlled the lines against Georgia which I did not expect.  I've heard Michigan has been having some issues with their OL.  McCarthy is a nice QB but he certainly doesn't scare anyone. 

Texas will have a talent advantage over Washington.  Sark had a great gameplan prepared for Bama this year and you might remember his masterpiece against OSU in 2020/21 championship.  Washington has had the luxury of playing Pac-12 defenses.  Washington is going to have to control Texas' excellent front 7 to have a chance.

Need we list all the mediocre teams Bama struggled with this year?  It might have been half the teams they played.

[Moranis]

Alabama vs Texas with Bama winning it all is my prediction...NCAA will be happy..

I think it will be Alabama vs. Texas.  But I'm not as confident that Bama will beat Texas.

Michigan is the best team this year and I think after last year's debacle they will be ready.  Michigan over Bama covering the spread easily.  Less certain in other game as neither team has looked all that good of late. I think I'm leaning towards Washington to win outright, but I'd certainly take the points.

Why are they the best team?  The B1G overall is weak and even OSU was a bit down this season. 
Michigan's best OOC opponent was UNLV.  They struggled a bit with Maryland who was the only opponent other than OSU whose offense had a pulse.  Bama has had to play Texas, Ole Miss, LSU and Georgia. 

Bama isn't TCU.  I'd refer you to the previous year's debacle against Georgia.  I don't expect a debacle but I think Bama will prevail due to talent advantage and Saban having several weeks to prepare.  Also Bama's OL and DL mostly controlled the lines against Georgia which I did not expect.  I've heard Michigan has been having some issues with their OL.  McCarthy is a nice QB but he certainly doesn't scare anyone. 

Texas will have a talent advantage over Washington.  Sark had a great gameplan prepared for Bama this year and you might remember his masterpiece against OSU in 2020/21 championship.  Washington has had the luxury of playing Pac-12 defenses.  Washington is going to have to control Texas' excellent front 7 to have a chance.

Need we list all the mediocre teams Bama struggled with this year?  It might have been half the teams they played.

Yep. Also, the Maryland game was without Harbaugh, on the road, and sandwiched between PSU and OSU. They were also up 23-3 and basically coasted after that. At no point in that game did anyone realistically believe Maryland was going to win even though the final ended up being 7 points. They beat OSU by 6, PSU by 9, and no one else was within 20.  Those 3 close games were the 3 without Harbaugh (though I suspect PSU and OSU would have been close anyway).

I just don't have a lot of faith in a team that needed a 4th and 31 miracle to beat 6-6 Auburn. I mean the week before New Mexico State beat Auburn 31-10. If Bama beats Michigan it won't be shocking or anything, but Michigan is pretty clearly the best team this year. I'd have had them as the 1 seed over Georgia had they actually beaten Bama (I know the committee would have had UM 2, I just think Michigan is better and played more consistently all year).