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What year in contract will JB get traded
« on: July 26, 2023, 06:28:36 PM »

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 He might not go anywhere if he gets a ring in the next 3 years, but if he doesn't I think the best time to trade him is probably about two years into his big contract.

 That would give the new team 3 years control of his new contract,  correct? It should also give us a hefty return.
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Jesus, the ink isn't even dry on the extension yet...  ::)


 I know just want to hear what everyone thinks.  Dies he actually make it through this 5 year extension.

 Also has anyone heard what the trade kicker is actually worth? I just heard it's really not much because of the megabucks he's getting,  but no real numbers.

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Jesus, the ink isn't even dry on the extension yet...  ::)


 I know just want to hear what everyone thinks.  Dies he actually make it through this 5 year extension.

 Also has anyone heard what the trade kicker is actually worth? I just heard it's really not much because of the megabucks he's getting,  but no real numbers.
the kicker is 15%, but his contract can never be higher than the maximum for years of service, so the kicker depends entirely on how much the cap increases.
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« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2023, 09:44:45 PM »

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isn't the unfortunate question actually : how soon until he requests/ demands to be traded?

because can someone be an NBA superstar without doing that??

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maybe things will go well and Tatum and Brown will continue to improve, we will win at least 1-2 titles
and both end up retiring as Celtics.

Why can't that be the narrative?

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« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2023, 12:25:02 AM »

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He might not go anywhere if he gets a ring in the next 3 years, but if he doesn't I think the best time to trade him is probably about two years into his big contract.

 That would give the new team 3 years control of his new contract,  correct? It should also give us a hefty return.

To me the best time to trade him is when we probably wouldn't want to trade him, because it would be when his value is highest. Maybe after a year, two years or three years of constant improvement (since we can't trade him for a year now). We would find plenty of takers for him, whether there's 4 years, 3 years or two left. I don't think Brad or anyone would have a specific time to trade him, other than looking at what his production is and his fit with the team, how much he is impacting winning, and whether it is likely to get better or worse over time, and what his next contract post this one would look like, and what his expected production would be then.

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Need a poll to be honest.

I would say trade deadline 2026
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Jesus, the ink isn't even dry on the extension yet...  ::)


 I know just want to hear what everyone thinks.  Dies he actually make it through this 5 year extension.

 Also has anyone heard what the trade kicker is actually worth? I just heard it's really not much because of the megabucks he's getting,  but no real numbers.

I ran the numbers for the max amount it could be worth in the extension thread:

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Fully guaranteed, with a trade kicker. No player option.

I did not want the trade kicker. Another factor that will knock his trade value moving forward on top of his already massive salary.

I am sure others will chime in on this but I thought that even though there is a kicker, his salary can't kick above 35% of the cap in any case anyway, so a trade kicker may not mean that much.  Is that correct?

Is that a rule change? I do not believe that was the case in the past.

I believe VM is correct.  Even with a trade kicker, a player's salary can't exceed the maximum, I believe.

Here's Larry Coon regarding the prior CBA:

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doesnt that mean that if the cap explodes and goes up by more than the annual raise, he can get an increase to the 35% number in whatever year the trade happens and then would just get the annual raise after the increase.

Kind of, but the key here is “based on his years of service”.  Despite being a designated veteran, he would not be eligible for 35% with any other team until after he had 10 years of service, so until June 30th, 2026 has passed, the kicker couldn’t take him over 30%.  And in subsequent years, it would be reduced by any amount that takes him over 35%.  Practically speaking, the kicker really doesn’t have a major impact for several years.  That’s why it should have been an easy give for the C’s.

To give some numbers for context, that's a 4.3% ($2.6 million) kicker in 2026-27, a 7.3% ($4.8 million) kicker in 2027-28, and a 10.9% ($7.5 million) kicker in 2028-29.

That's a max of about $15 million over the course of the contract. Certainly not small potatoes, but not nearly as bad as a typical 15% kicker.
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Boy, we really have some JB haters if we're trying to figure out when he's going to be dealt after he just signed his contract.

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Or he continues to make incremental improvements, and we end up with 2 of the top 5 wings (most important position) that are both locked up at fair contracts for their primes.
As a fan who personally likes Brown, I am voting for not being traded during the contract.
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Loved JBs comments yesterday. Heartfelt comments about Marcus along with an understanding that change brings opportunity.

 “My work ethic is second to none” - “always working to get better; always learning”.

I believe JB is still on a growth trajectory and he’s going to be better this year than last. 

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maybe things will go well and Tatum and Brown will continue to improve, we will win at least 1-2 titles
and both end up retiring as Celtics.

Why can't that be the narrative?

Because negativity is always the choice for CS.
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If Celtics don't make it to the NBA Finals next season, he will be traded in one year. (Before the new contract kicks in)

If Celtics don't win a championship within the next 2 seasons, he will be traded after 2 years.

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In two years. Honestly if he received the richest contract in the NBA, then all expectations are to the max. If no NBA title, def in two years.


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