Can we trade Brown for Dame Now

[KG Living Legend]

 Is that possible and if so can we do a sign and trade with Grant to make the numbers work, I'd rather not deal Horford or Williams to make it work.

[Vermont Green]

Yes, of course it is possible to trade Brown for Dame (but in theory, not the only option).  Setting aside Grant for now, either of the following would work:

Brown + RWill

Brogdon + White + Champagnie

In the case of Brogdon and White, I suspect a 3rd team would be needed as I can't see POR having much interest in any of those players.  Straight up Brown does not work, more is needed.

As to Grant, he would be BYC so we can only count half his outgoing salary.  The trade that I found that worked was:

Brown + Grant + Pritchard + Kornet + Champagnie

A trade with Grant (assuming $12M contract) is going to be unwieldly as POR would need to have enough roster spots to take back 5 players.

I think the trade if you want to do this would have to be:

Brown + RWill
for
Lillard

To me, that is too much to give up.  In another thread, I suggested to expand the trade as follows:

Brown + RWill + Pritchard
for
Lillard + Sharpe

...but the consensus on that was POR would not give up Sharpe.

[KG Living Legend]

 Excellent response.  Tp Vermont.  Thanks.

[boscel33]

I am not trading Brown (26yo) for Dame (33yo), not for more in return than just Dame (players/picks)

Season number 7 for each:

JB:  26.6 PPG, 6.9 RPG, 3.5 APG, 1.1 SPG, .4 BPG, .491 FG%, .335 3PT%, .765 FT%
Dame:  25.8 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 6.9 APG, 1.1 SPG, .4 BPG, .444 FG%, .369 3PT%, .912 FT%

Each had 1 All-Star and 1 All NBA.

What I'm saying, JB is at or ahead of where Dame was at year 7 of his career. 

Let JB and JT play with KP and see what magic comes of it.

[green_bballers13]

Very few are looking at his games played. Dame played 58 games last year and 29 games the year before. This is essentially the same issue that I saw with trading for KD. The talent is unquestionably there, but the athlete is aging and can't stay healthy. He's not very dependable in 2024 and going forward.

[RJ87]

Boston Sports Gordo
@BOSSportsGordo
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38m

According to @ramonashelburne, the Celtics have expressed interest in acquiring Damian Lillard and have the assets to get it done, but they are not on his list.

Boston is “not a city that (Lillard) would necessarily welcome going to right now.”

This isn't the first leak that Lillard doesn't want to play here. Can we stop now? We're too good a franchise to have to pine after players.

[celticinorlando]

I don’t care about Dame and his feelings. Boston should go after him if they want him.

Get him to Boston. What’s he going to do? Not play and lose his money?

[Who]

Boston Sports Gordo
@BOSSportsGordo
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38m

According to @ramonashelburne, the Celtics have expressed interest in acquiring Damian Lillard and have the assets to get it done, but they are not on his list.

Boston is “not a city that (Lillard) would necessarily welcome going to right now.”

This isn't the first leak that Lillard doesn't want to play here. Can we stop now? We're too good a franchise to have to pine after players.

Reminds me of that saying "it doesn't matter if you are the first choice, the second choice or even the 7th choice. It only matters that you are the right choice".

I have no issue with not being the top of Dame's wish list or even on his wish list. That does not mean he won't be able to see the value in being here after thinking about it some more. After being able to talk to people and see what opportunities are here.

In the end, I believe Lillard will see what Boston has to offer him and be delighted to get to play here. Just like KG was after initially not being interested in coming.

The first reaction / early responses do not matter. It is the response after the dust is settled that matters.

[RPGenerate]

If you believe in your organization, you bring Lillard in regardless of what he says and convince him to like it. Of course, this is a separate argument from how much you should actually give up for him.

[RJ87]

Boston Sports Gordo
@BOSSportsGordo
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38m

According to @ramonashelburne, the Celtics have expressed interest in acquiring Damian Lillard and have the assets to get it done, but they are not on his list.

Boston is “not a city that (Lillard) would necessarily welcome going to right now.”

This isn't the first leak that Lillard doesn't want to play here. Can we stop now? We're too good a franchise to have to pine after players.

Reminds me of that saying "it doesn't matter if you are the first choice, the second choice or even the 7th choice. It only matters that you are the right choice".

I have no issue with not being the top of Dame's wish list or even on his wish list. That does not mean he won't be able to see the value in being here after thinking about it some more. After being able to talk to people and see what opportunities are here.

In the end, I believe Lillard will see what Boston has to offer him and be delighted to get to play here. Just like KG was after initially not being interested in coming.

The first reaction / early responses do not matter. It is the response after the dust is settled that matters.

The KG thing really isn't similar. KG had concerns about talent level because we really only had Paul Pierce. His tune changed once we added Ray Allen. Then he thought we had enough to win a championship.

Talent isn't an issue with this current team. He'd be joining a team with a 1st team All-NBA forward and a really good big man in KP at the very least.

[Who]

Boston Sports Gordo
@BOSSportsGordo
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38m

According to @ramonashelburne, the Celtics have expressed interest in acquiring Damian Lillard and have the assets to get it done, but they are not on his list.

Boston is “not a city that (Lillard) would necessarily welcome going to right now.”

This isn't the first leak that Lillard doesn't want to play here. Can we stop now? We're too good a franchise to have to pine after players.

Reminds me of that saying "it doesn't matter if you are the first choice, the second choice or even the 7th choice. It only matters that you are the right choice".

I have no issue with not being the top of Dame's wish list or even on his wish list. That does not mean he won't be able to see the value in being here after thinking about it some more. After being able to talk to people and see what opportunities are here.

In the end, I believe Lillard will see what Boston has to offer him and be delighted to get to play here. Just like KG was after initially not being interested in coming.

The first reaction / early responses do not matter. It is the response after the dust is settled that matters.

The KG thing really isn't similar. KG had concerns about talent level because we really only had Paul Pierce. His tune changed once we added Ray Allen. Then he thought we had enough to win a championship.

Talent isn't an issue with this current team. He'd be joining a team with a 1st team All-NBA forward and a really good big man in KP at the very least.

KG also had concerns about living in Boston. It wasn't just about talent.

[celticinorlando]

Don’t think the organization or players Boston has are the reason dame excluded the Cs. It’s the lazy narratives about the cities.

If he truly wants to win a title Boston is his best chance

[Neurotic Guy]

I don’t care about Dame and his feelings. Boston should go after him if they want him.

Get him to Boston. What’s he going to do? Not play and lose his money?

If Portland sees the Boston offer as the best offer, there should be zero hesitation in making the deal.  What leverage does Lillard have?  Is he saying he won’t play for the Celtics?  He’ll be a miserable teammate?  He’ll cry and whine and refuse to practice?  For crying out loud, the guy’s been screaming for Portland to upgrade for years and now he’s going snub an opportunity to play on possibly the best roster in the NBA?  And force the team that drafted him, and has paid him enormous amounts of money for ten years, into a deal that nets them a worse return?

There should be a commissioner intervention. Players under contract shouldn’t have this kind of influence - the NBA is an extraordinarily unique business that is incredibly lucrative for a very small number of individuals.  These are special circumstance given a goal of competitive equity among the teams that contribute to this money machine.

[RJ87]

Boston Sports Gordo
@BOSSportsGordo
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38m

According to @ramonashelburne, the Celtics have expressed interest in acquiring Damian Lillard and have the assets to get it done, but they are not on his list.

Boston is “not a city that (Lillard) would necessarily welcome going to right now.”

This isn't the first leak that Lillard doesn't want to play here. Can we stop now? We're too good a franchise to have to pine after players.

Reminds me of that saying "it doesn't matter if you are the first choice, the second choice or even the 7th choice. It only matters that you are the right choice".

I have no issue with not being the top of Dame's wish list or even on his wish list. That does not mean he won't be able to see the value in being here after thinking about it some more. After being able to talk to people and see what opportunities are here.

In the end, I believe Lillard will see what Boston has to offer him and be delighted to get to play here. Just like KG was after initially not being interested in coming.

The first reaction / early responses do not matter. It is the response after the dust is settled that matters.

The KG thing really isn't similar. KG had concerns about talent level because we really only had Paul Pierce. His tune changed once we added Ray Allen. Then he thought we had enough to win a championship.

Talent isn't an issue with this current team. He'd be joining a team with a 1st team All-NBA forward and a really good big man in KP at the very least.

KG also had concerns about living in Boston. It wasn't just about talent.

And that goes to my point. KG might've had additional concerns, but in the end we upgraded the talent and he bought in. There's no talent upgrade to be made here, that talent is on the team already and Dame still doesn't want any part of it.

I don't know what Dame's Boston aversion is, but I have no interest in trading for a player who can't see that this team is already a contender because is winning really their priority? Will we give up assets for him just to request out at the deadline or in the offseason?

Kawhi was traded to Toronto, won a championship and still bolted. These guys don't stay where they don't want to be.

[Who]

Boston Sports Gordo
@BOSSportsGordo
·
38m

According to @ramonashelburne, the Celtics have expressed interest in acquiring Damian Lillard and have the assets to get it done, but they are not on his list.

Boston is “not a city that (Lillard) would necessarily welcome going to right now.”

This isn't the first leak that Lillard doesn't want to play here. Can we stop now? We're too good a franchise to have to pine after players.

Reminds me of that saying "it doesn't matter if you are the first choice, the second choice or even the 7th choice. It only matters that you are the right choice".

I have no issue with not being the top of Dame's wish list or even on his wish list. That does not mean he won't be able to see the value in being here after thinking about it some more. After being able to talk to people and see what opportunities are here.

In the end, I believe Lillard will see what Boston has to offer him and be delighted to get to play here. Just like KG was after initially not being interested in coming.

The first reaction / early responses do not matter. It is the response after the dust is settled that matters.

The KG thing really isn't similar. KG had concerns about talent level because we really only had Paul Pierce. His tune changed once we added Ray Allen. Then he thought we had enough to win a championship.

Talent isn't an issue with this current team. He'd be joining a team with a 1st team All-NBA forward and a really good big man in KP at the very least.

KG also had concerns about living in Boston. It wasn't just about talent.

And that goes to my point. KG might've had additional concerns, but in the end we upgraded the talent and he bought in. There's no talent upgrade to be made here, that talent is on the team already and Dame still doesn't want any part of it.

I don't know what Dame's Boston aversion is, but I have no interest in trading for a player who can't see that this team is already a contender because is winning really their priority? Will we give up assets for him just to request out at the deadline or in the offseason?

Kawhi was traded to Toronto, won a championship and still bolted. These guys don't stay where they don't want to be.

I wouldn't trade for Lillard without talking to him first and getting his buy-in. I have no interest in an unhappy player who doesn't want to be here.

But I also wouldn't stop pursuing him until I have had a chance to talk to him about the team and tried to convince him that this is a good place for him to be.

I feel very good about our chances to convince him to come here given the talent at our disposal and our chances of winning a title with Lillard here.