Jaylen Brown Supermax

[SHAQATTACK]

Not sounding very promising.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Not sounding very promising.

How did you get that? Sounds promising to me?

[Muzzy66]

Per the Boston Globe:

Jaylen Brown has made it clear over the years that he views himself as Jayson Tatum’s equal rather than his sidekick, and it would be understandable for his camp to push for the player option that Tatum.

This pretty much just confirms my greatest fear with Brown - that he considers himself to be Tatum's equal.  This basically sets in stone for me the idea that these two guys will inevitably go down the Kobe/Shaq road where neither will ever be willing to accept that they are the #2 guy, and as long as they are on the same team they'll continue the nightly attempts to try to outplay/outshoot each other and will continue butting heads until they eventually reach the point where the relationship implodes and one of them demands a trade.

I don't like this at all. 

For the last couple of years talent has not been the problem for the Celtics, it's been mentality/attitude.  For a team to win a Championship everybody must know their role and embrace their role.  I honestly believe that as long as we have Tatum and Brown both on this roster earning max money believe they are each the best player on the team, this team will continue to struggle with chemistry issues and struggle to win a title. 

To me if I'm Brad, this mentality puts me instantly into "Trade Brown" mode.  Though of course I wouldn't want to make this obvious (in order to not drive his trade value down), but I would be have a very open ear to any teams out there who are looking to trade major pieces (including Lillard) and I would be going into contract negotiations based on the expectation that Brown will end up getting traded at some point in the next year or so. 

[keevsnick]

Per the Boston Globe:

Jaylen Brown has made it clear over the years that he views himself as Jayson Tatum’s equal rather than his sidekick, and it would be understandable for his camp to push for the player option that Tatum.

This pretty much just confirms my greatest fear with Brown - that he considers himself to be Tatum's equal.  This basically sets in stone for me the idea that these two guys will inevitably go down the Kobe/Shaq road where neither will ever be willing to accept that they are the #2 guy, and as long as they are on the same team they'll continue the nightly attempts to try to outplay/outshoot each other and will continue butting heads until they eventually reach the point where the relationship implodes and one of them demands a trade.

I don't like this at all. 

For the last couple of years talent has not been the problem for the Celtics, it's been mentality/attitude.  For a team to win a Championship everybody must know their role and embrace their role.  I honestly believe that as long as we have Tatum and Brown both on this roster earning max money believe they are each the best player on the team, this team will continue to struggle with chemistry issues and struggle to win a title. 

To me if I'm Brad, this mentality puts me instantly into "Trade Brown" mode.  Though of course I wouldn't want to make this obvious (in order to not drive his trade value down), but I would be have a very open ear to any teams out there who are looking to trade major pieces (including Lillard) and I would be going into contract negotiations based on the expectation that Brown will end up getting traded at some point in the next year or so.

I love this. An all-nba guy SHOULD have supreme confidence, he should be driven to be the best.

[Moranis]

Per the Boston Globe:

Jaylen Brown has made it clear over the years that he views himself as Jayson Tatum’s equal rather than his sidekick, and it would be understandable for his camp to push for the player option that Tatum.

This pretty much just confirms my greatest fear with Brown - that he considers himself to be Tatum's equal.  This basically sets in stone for me the idea that these two guys will inevitably go down the Kobe/Shaq road where neither will ever be willing to accept that they are the #2 guy, and as long as they are on the same team they'll continue the nightly attempts to try to outplay/outshoot each other and will continue butting heads until they eventually reach the point where the relationship implodes and one of them demands a trade.

I don't like this at all. 

For the last couple of years talent has not been the problem for the Celtics, it's been mentality/attitude.  For a team to win a Championship everybody must know their role and embrace their role.  I honestly believe that as long as we have Tatum and Brown both on this roster earning max money believe they are each the best player on the team, this team will continue to struggle with chemistry issues and struggle to win a title. 

To me if I'm Brad, this mentality puts me instantly into "Trade Brown" mode.  Though of course I wouldn't want to make this obvious (in order to not drive his trade value down), but I would be have a very open ear to any teams out there who are looking to trade major pieces (including Lillard) and I would be going into contract negotiations based on the expectation that Brown will end up getting traded at some point in the next year or so.

I love this. An all-nba guy SHOULD have supreme confidence, he should be driven to be the best.

There is confidence and then there is someone who isn't in reality.  Tatum is the best player on the team.  The team plays better with Tatum.  If Brown can't fit in around Tatum, then he needs to go.  While the C's guys aren't as good as Lebron and Wade, Wade had the sense to realize that Lebron was better than he was and that the Heat would go as far as Lebron would take them, so Wade told Lebron it was his team, to stop deferring, and to take over.  I don't know if they win 2 titles together without Wade doing that. 

[radiohead]

If we don’t get an extension done by October, what happens next? Does he become an unrestricted free agent?

[Celtics2021]

If we don’t get an extension done by October, what happens next? Does he become an unrestricted free agent?

My guess is he’s traded in that event.  If you can’t sign a guy when you’ve got the ability to negotiate a unique contract with him, you’re not going to keep him the following summer, especially when, if he doesn’t make All-NBA again, you’d just have regular Bird rights.

[hpantazo]

If we don’t get an extension done by October, what happens next? Does he become an unrestricted free agent?

My guess is he’s traded in that event.  If you can’t sign a guy when you’ve got the ability to negotiate a unique contract with him, you’re not going to keep him the following summer, especially when, if he doesn’t make All-NBA again, you’d just have regular Bird rights.

Which is why it is in Brown's interest to sign the extension. No other team can give him nearly as much money, not this year or next year. If he want to risk that to haggle over a player option or some other clause , it's a big gamble for him.

[Celtics2021]

If we don’t get an extension done by October, what happens next? Does he become an unrestricted free agent?

My guess is he’s traded in that event.  If you can’t sign a guy when you’ve got the ability to negotiate a unique contract with him, you’re not going to keep him the following summer, especially when, if he doesn’t make All-NBA again, you’d just have regular Bird rights.

Which is why it is in Brown's interest to sign the extension. No other team can give him nearly as much money, not this year or next year. If he want to risk that to haggle over a player option or some other clause , it's a big gamble for him.

Unless it’s important to him to choose where he spends the second part of his career, which is why he wants options and/or ETOs.  He’s getting his hundreds of millions one way or the other.

[hpantazo]

If we don’t get an extension done by October, what happens next? Does he become an unrestricted free agent?

My guess is he’s traded in that event.  If you can’t sign a guy when you’ve got the ability to negotiate a unique contract with him, you’re not going to keep him the following summer, especially when, if he doesn’t make All-NBA again, you’d just have regular Bird rights.

Which is why it is in Brown's interest to sign the extension. No other team can give him nearly as much money, not this year or next year. If he want to risk that to haggle over a player option or some other clause , it's a big gamble for him.

Unless it’s important to him to choose where he spends the second part of his career, which is why he wants options and/or ETOs.  He’s getting his hundreds of millions one way or the other.

I mean, every NBA star signs the max contract and then demands a trade when they want to leave regardless. The difference in money he would get from the supermax here vs signing elsewhere is quite significant. Unless/until the NBA fixes that problem, teams have no reason to consider these options. What's actually protecting the NBA teams here when they do give the supermax without player options or early termination or something and the player suddenly decides I want out, and want to go only to one or two teams so take a pu pu platter of mediocre picks and players and thanks for the money?

[obnoxiousmime]

Per the Boston Globe:

Jaylen Brown has made it clear over the years that he views himself as Jayson Tatum’s equal rather than his sidekick, and it would be understandable for his camp to push for the player option that Tatum.

This pretty much just confirms my greatest fear with Brown - that he considers himself to be Tatum's equal.  This basically sets in stone for me the idea that these two guys will inevitably go down the Kobe/Shaq road where neither will ever be willing to accept that they are the #2 guy, and as long as they are on the same team they'll continue the nightly attempts to try to outplay/outshoot each other and will continue butting heads until they eventually reach the point where the relationship implodes and one of them demands a trade.

I don't like this at all. 

For the last couple of years talent has not been the problem for the Celtics, it's been mentality/attitude.  For a team to win a Championship everybody must know their role and embrace their role.  I honestly believe that as long as we have Tatum and Brown both on this roster earning max money believe they are each the best player on the team, this team will continue to struggle with chemistry issues and struggle to win a title. 

To me if I'm Brad, this mentality puts me instantly into "Trade Brown" mode.  Though of course I wouldn't want to make this obvious (in order to not drive his trade value down), but I would be have a very open ear to any teams out there who are looking to trade major pieces (including Lillard) and I would be going into contract negotiations based on the expectation that Brown will end up getting traded at some point in the next year or so.

I love this. An all-nba guy SHOULD have supreme confidence, he should be driven to be the best.

There is confidence and then there is someone who isn't in reality.  Tatum is the best player on the team.  The team plays better with Tatum.  If Brown can't fit in around Tatum, then he needs to go.  While the C's guys aren't as good as Lebron and Wade, Wade had the sense to realize that Lebron was better than he was and that the Heat would go as far as Lebron would take them, so Wade told Lebron it was his team, to stop deferring, and to take over.  I don't know if they win 2 titles together without Wade doing that.

It's more that the Js playstyles are too similar and neither is a great playmaker. LeBron could win games without having to take a ton of shots because he was such a great point forward. Also, they already were buddies before they teamed up, and Wade actually had the humbling experience of trying to win in the playoffs alone as the top star (post-Shaq). Jaylen has never had to swim on his own (especially because Tatum almost never misses games) so he doesn't actually really know his own limitations. The whole point of the Heat team-up was they were sick of losing individually and CHOSE to play together. Jaylen never chose to be in this situation, it was pretty much determined when he was drafted. It's obviously something that still bothers him when he talks about having to sacrifice.

[Muzzy66]

Per the Boston Globe:

Jaylen Brown has made it clear over the years that he views himself as Jayson Tatum’s equal rather than his sidekick, and it would be understandable for his camp to push for the player option that Tatum.

This pretty much just confirms my greatest fear with Brown - that he considers himself to be Tatum's equal.  This basically sets in stone for me the idea that these two guys will inevitably go down the Kobe/Shaq road where neither will ever be willing to accept that they are the #2 guy, and as long as they are on the same team they'll continue the nightly attempts to try to outplay/outshoot each other and will continue butting heads until they eventually reach the point where the relationship implodes and one of them demands a trade.

I don't like this at all. 

For the last couple of years talent has not been the problem for the Celtics, it's been mentality/attitude.  For a team to win a Championship everybody must know their role and embrace their role.  I honestly believe that as long as we have Tatum and Brown both on this roster earning max money believe they are each the best player on the team, this team will continue to struggle with chemistry issues and struggle to win a title. 

To me if I'm Brad, this mentality puts me instantly into "Trade Brown" mode.  Though of course I wouldn't want to make this obvious (in order to not drive his trade value down), but I would be have a very open ear to any teams out there who are looking to trade major pieces (including Lillard) and I would be going into contract negotiations based on the expectation that Brown will end up getting traded at some point in the next year or so.

I love this. An all-nba guy SHOULD have supreme confidence, he should be driven to be the best.

Oh as far as Jaylen's career goes I absolutely agree that its a good thing that he feels this way.  But as far as Celtics success goes it's a totally different story. 

For years I've been watching Tatum and Brown playing, and feeling like I'm constantly watching two guys trying to one up each other to prove they are the #1 guy rather then just working together as two parts of a greater team.  For a long time I've suspected that JB things he is the #1 guy and that he has been unwilling to accept the #2 role as a compliment to Tatum because he things he's "too good for that". This paragraph seems to just prove that point for me.

Per the Boston Globe:

Jaylen Brown has made it clear over the years that he views himself as Jayson Tatum’s equal rather than his sidekick, and it would be understandable for his camp to push for the player option that Tatum.

This pretty much just confirms my greatest fear with Brown - that he considers himself to be Tatum's equal.  This basically sets in stone for me the idea that these two guys will inevitably go down the Kobe/Shaq road where neither will ever be willing to accept that they are the #2 guy, and as long as they are on the same team they'll continue the nightly attempts to try to outplay/outshoot each other and will continue butting heads until they eventually reach the point where the relationship implodes and one of them demands a trade.

I don't like this at all. 

For the last couple of years talent has not been the problem for the Celtics, it's been mentality/attitude.  For a team to win a Championship everybody must know their role and embrace their role.  I honestly believe that as long as we have Tatum and Brown both on this roster earning max money believe they are each the best player on the team, this team will continue to struggle with chemistry issues and struggle to win a title. 

To me if I'm Brad, this mentality puts me instantly into "Trade Brown" mode.  Though of course I wouldn't want to make this obvious (in order to not drive his trade value down), but I would be have a very open ear to any teams out there who are looking to trade major pieces (including Lillard) and I would be going into contract negotiations based on the expectation that Brown will end up getting traded at some point in the next year or so.

I love this. An all-nba guy SHOULD have supreme confidence, he should be driven to be the best.

There is confidence and then there is someone who isn't in reality.  Tatum is the best player on the team.  The team plays better with Tatum.  If Brown can't fit in around Tatum, then he needs to go.  While the C's guys aren't as good as Lebron and Wade, Wade had the sense to realize that Lebron was better than he was and that the Heat would go as far as Lebron would take them, so Wade told Lebron it was his team, to stop deferring, and to take over.  I don't know if they win 2 titles together without Wade doing that.

Exactly my point.  You can never have two #1 guys on a team - it's a recipe for disaster.  The only example I think of in past years where teams have win championships with two players who both think they are #1 was the Lakers with Kobe and Shaq - they weren't so far as winning 3 titles together from memory.  But even that fell apart eventually, as both players insisted on being the Alpha and neither would accept being the #2, with the end result being a very public conflict that eventually ended in Shaq demanding a trade. 

So i'm not going to say you CAN'T win a title with two guys who both thing they are number 1...but it's definitely a major hinderance and if it doesn't result in desaster from day one it almost certinaly will at some point later down the road. 

In this league more often then not the teams that win are the teams where every play knows there roles, embraces thier role, and is willing to accept it.  It was the willingness of KG and Ray to sacrifice t be the #2 / #2 guys that allowed the Celtics to win in 2008. 

I understand the argument that if we trade Brown we won't get a player back who is on the same level as he is.  That may well be true, and probably is.  But getting a player back who is 85% or 90% of Jaylen Brown BUT is willing to accept and embrace that role as a #2 guy may well be better for the team's success. 

A big part of why I like the Porzingis pickup so much is because from the interviews it is clear that Porzingis knows his place on the team- he knows this team belongs to Tatum and Brown, and that he is the third banana.  And he's expressed his willingness to not only accept but embrace that role.  That's the type of attitude you need from the top 5-7 guys if you want to have a serious shot at a title.

[Muzzy66]

Per the Boston Globe:

Jaylen Brown has made it clear over the years that he views himself as Jayson Tatum’s equal rather than his sidekick, and it would be understandable for his camp to push for the player option that Tatum.

This pretty much just confirms my greatest fear with Brown - that he considers himself to be Tatum's equal.  This basically sets in stone for me the idea that these two guys will inevitably go down the Kobe/Shaq road where neither will ever be willing to accept that they are the #2 guy, and as long as they are on the same team they'll continue the nightly attempts to try to outplay/outshoot each other and will continue butting heads until they eventually reach the point where the relationship implodes and one of them demands a trade.

I don't like this at all. 

For the last couple of years talent has not been the problem for the Celtics, it's been mentality/attitude.  For a team to win a Championship everybody must know their role and embrace their role.  I honestly believe that as long as we have Tatum and Brown both on this roster earning max money believe they are each the best player on the team, this team will continue to struggle with chemistry issues and struggle to win a title. 

To me if I'm Brad, this mentality puts me instantly into "Trade Brown" mode.  Though of course I wouldn't want to make this obvious (in order to not drive his trade value down), but I would be have a very open ear to any teams out there who are looking to trade major pieces (including Lillard) and I would be going into contract negotiations based on the expectation that Brown will end up getting traded at some point in the next year or so.

I love this. An all-nba guy SHOULD have supreme confidence, he should be driven to be the best.

There is confidence and then there is someone who isn't in reality.  Tatum is the best player on the team.  The team plays better with Tatum.  If Brown can't fit in around Tatum, then he needs to go.  While the C's guys aren't as good as Lebron and Wade, Wade had the sense to realize that Lebron was better than he was and that the Heat would go as far as Lebron would take them, so Wade told Lebron it was his team, to stop deferring, and to take over.  I don't know if they win 2 titles together without Wade doing that.

It's more that the Js playstyles are too similar and neither is a great playmaker. LeBron could win games without having to take a ton of shots because he was such a great point forward. Also, they already were buddies before they teamed up, and Wade actually had the humbling experience of trying to win in the playoffs alone as the top star (post-Shaq). Jaylen has never had to swim on his own (especially because Tatum almost never misses games) so he doesn't actually really know his own limitations. The whole point of the Heat team-up was they were sick of losing individually and CHOSE to play together. Jaylen never chose to be in this situation, it was pretty much determined when he was drafted. It's obviously something that still bothers him when he talks about having to sacrifice.

Yeah, and I find that very, very worrying. 

This has all the markings of a scenario where the guy isn't really mentally/emotionally committed to being a Celtic and would probably walk and go elsewhere if not for the fact that staying is his only way to a titanic pay day. 

I don't like the idea of having a guy who is staying in Boston only for the money.  Because that is the type of scenario which boils, stews, and then explodes one year later when the player is legally capable of being traded and decided he just doens't want to be here anymore.

I see a bunch of similarities between JB's scenario here and Lillard's scenario in Portland last year. Yes Lillard's scenario is a bit different because he signed based on the promise from the Blazers that they would try to build a winning team around him...so wanting out is somewhat justified given that he feels stabbed in the back and just doesnt want to sit through a rebuild. But contractually I see a similar scenario - Lillard COULD have left last year and signed with any team he wanted, but he chose to stay in Portland (who I'm assuming were able to pay more then anybody else).  Now he still has 3/4 years on his contract with no trade clause, and he'ss still creating a nightmare of a scenario for Portland. 

And sorry to say, but Jaylen Brown seems like EXACTLY the type of player who would try this type of move.  He's extremely outspoken, never one to be afraid to push for what he wants.  Seems to me like a guy who is very much focussed on his own interests above all else (he's just always given me that vibe).  I can very much see him signing this extension and then demanding a trade in a year, forcing Brad to then take a weak return so that JB can go where he wants AND keep his money.

I don't like any of it.  Frankly I'd rather just jump him right now for Lavine, for KAT, for Lillard...for anybody basically.  I've always been cautious in having faith in Tatum and Brown to ever truly 'click' and this claim about Brown just makes me convinced that will never happen.  It'll be tatum vs brown as long as they are both in Celtics green.

[keevsnick]

Per the Boston Globe:

Jaylen Brown has made it clear over the years that he views himself as Jayson Tatum’s equal rather than his sidekick, and it would be understandable for his camp to push for the player option that Tatum.

This pretty much just confirms my greatest fear with Brown - that he considers himself to be Tatum's equal.  This basically sets in stone for me the idea that these two guys will inevitably go down the Kobe/Shaq road where neither will ever be willing to accept that they are the #2 guy, and as long as they are on the same team they'll continue the nightly attempts to try to outplay/outshoot each other and will continue butting heads until they eventually reach the point where the relationship implodes and one of them demands a trade.

I don't like this at all. 

For the last couple of years talent has not been the problem for the Celtics, it's been mentality/attitude.  For a team to win a Championship everybody must know their role and embrace their role.  I honestly believe that as long as we have Tatum and Brown both on this roster earning max money believe they are each the best player on the team, this team will continue to struggle with chemistry issues and struggle to win a title. 

To me if I'm Brad, this mentality puts me instantly into "Trade Brown" mode.  Though of course I wouldn't want to make this obvious (in order to not drive his trade value down), but I would be have a very open ear to any teams out there who are looking to trade major pieces (including Lillard) and I would be going into contract negotiations based on the expectation that Brown will end up getting traded at some point in the next year or so.

I love this. An all-nba guy SHOULD have supreme confidence, he should be driven to be the best.

Oh as far as Jaylen's career goes I absolutely agree that its a good thing that he feels this way.  But as far as Celtics success goes it's a totally different story. 

For years I've been watching Tatum and Brown playing, and feeling like I'm constantly watching two guys trying to one up each other to prove they are the #1 guy rather then just working together as two parts of a greater team.  For a long time I've suspected that JB things he is the #1 guy and that he has been unwilling to accept the #2 role as a compliment to Tatum because he things he's "too good for that". This paragraph seems to just prove that point for me.

Per the Boston Globe:

Jaylen Brown has made it clear over the years that he views himself as Jayson Tatum’s equal rather than his sidekick, and it would be understandable for his camp to push for the player option that Tatum.

This pretty much just confirms my greatest fear with Brown - that he considers himself to be Tatum's equal.  This basically sets in stone for me the idea that these two guys will inevitably go down the Kobe/Shaq road where neither will ever be willing to accept that they are the #2 guy, and as long as they are on the same team they'll continue the nightly attempts to try to outplay/outshoot each other and will continue butting heads until they eventually reach the point where the relationship implodes and one of them demands a trade.

I don't like this at all. 

For the last couple of years talent has not been the problem for the Celtics, it's been mentality/attitude.  For a team to win a Championship everybody must know their role and embrace their role.  I honestly believe that as long as we have Tatum and Brown both on this roster earning max money believe they are each the best player on the team, this team will continue to struggle with chemistry issues and struggle to win a title. 

To me if I'm Brad, this mentality puts me instantly into "Trade Brown" mode.  Though of course I wouldn't want to make this obvious (in order to not drive his trade value down), but I would be have a very open ear to any teams out there who are looking to trade major pieces (including Lillard) and I would be going into contract negotiations based on the expectation that Brown will end up getting traded at some point in the next year or so.

I love this. An all-nba guy SHOULD have supreme confidence, he should be driven to be the best.

There is confidence and then there is someone who isn't in reality.  Tatum is the best player on the team.  The team plays better with Tatum.  If Brown can't fit in around Tatum, then he needs to go.  While the C's guys aren't as good as Lebron and Wade, Wade had the sense to realize that Lebron was better than he was and that the Heat would go as far as Lebron would take them, so Wade told Lebron it was his team, to stop deferring, and to take over.  I don't know if they win 2 titles together without Wade doing that.

Exactly my point.  You can never have two #1 guys on a team - it's a recipe for disaster.  The only example I think of in past years where teams have win championships with two players who both think they are #1 was the Lakers with Kobe and Shaq - they weren't so far as winning 3 titles together from memory.  But even that fell apart eventually, as both players insisted on being the Alpha and neither would accept being the #2, with the end result being a very public conflict that eventually ended in Shaq demanding a trade. 

So i'm not going to say you CAN'T win a title with two guys who both thing they are number 1...but it's definitely a major hinderance and if it doesn't result in desaster from day one it almost certinaly will at some point later down the road. 

In this league more often then not the teams that win are the teams where every play knows there roles, embraces thier role, and is willing to accept it.  It was the willingness of KG and Ray to sacrifice t be the #2 / #2 guys that allowed the Celtics to win in 2008. 

I understand the argument that if we trade Brown we won't get a player back who is on the same level as he is.  That may well be true, and probably is.  But getting a player back who is 85% or 90% of Jaylen Brown BUT is willing to accept and embrace that role as a #2 guy may well be better for the team's success. 

A big part of why I like the Porzingis pickup so much is because from the interviews it is clear that Porzingis knows his place on the team- he knows this team belongs to Tatum and Brown, and that he is the third banana.  And he's expressed his willingness to not only accept but embrace that role.  That's the type of attitude you need from the top 5-7 guys if you want to have a serious shot at a title.

To be entirely honest, i find this take almost incomprehensible. I really don't get it. The c's have had a staggering amount of success over the Tatum/Brown era, they had the 2nd bets offense in the league last year, they have been really good with Tatum/Brown. So saying "i worry about team performance because of this attitude" just strikes me as being disproved by the actual team performance over the last few years.

I don't think there's any evidence that Jaylen thinking he's good at basketball has had ANY negative impact on the Celtics, at all. Tatum had the 7th highest USG rate in the league last year, how much can Brown possibly be taking away from him?

[hpantazo]

Per the Boston Globe:

Jaylen Brown has made it clear over the years that he views himself as Jayson Tatum’s equal rather than his sidekick, and it would be understandable for his camp to push for the player option that Tatum.

This pretty much just confirms my greatest fear with Brown - that he considers himself to be Tatum's equal.  This basically sets in stone for me the idea that these two guys will inevitably go down the Kobe/Shaq road where neither will ever be willing to accept that they are the #2 guy, and as long as they are on the same team they'll continue the nightly attempts to try to outplay/outshoot each other and will continue butting heads until they eventually reach the point where the relationship implodes and one of them demands a trade.

I don't like this at all. 

For the last couple of years talent has not been the problem for the Celtics, it's been mentality/attitude.  For a team to win a Championship everybody must know their role and embrace their role.  I honestly believe that as long as we have Tatum and Brown both on this roster earning max money believe they are each the best player on the team, this team will continue to struggle with chemistry issues and struggle to win a title. 

To me if I'm Brad, this mentality puts me instantly into "Trade Brown" mode.  Though of course I wouldn't want to make this obvious (in order to not drive his trade value down), but I would be have a very open ear to any teams out there who are looking to trade major pieces (including Lillard) and I would be going into contract negotiations based on the expectation that Brown will end up getting traded at some point in the next year or so.

I love this. An all-nba guy SHOULD have supreme confidence, he should be driven to be the best.

Oh as far as Jaylen's career goes I absolutely agree that its a good thing that he feels this way.  But as far as Celtics success goes it's a totally different story. 

For years I've been watching Tatum and Brown playing, and feeling like I'm constantly watching two guys trying to one up each other to prove they are the #1 guy rather then just working together as two parts of a greater team.  For a long time I've suspected that JB things he is the #1 guy and that he has been unwilling to accept the #2 role as a compliment to Tatum because he things he's "too good for that". This paragraph seems to just prove that point for me.

Per the Boston Globe:

Jaylen Brown has made it clear over the years that he views himself as Jayson Tatum’s equal rather than his sidekick, and it would be understandable for his camp to push for the player option that Tatum.

This pretty much just confirms my greatest fear with Brown - that he considers himself to be Tatum's equal.  This basically sets in stone for me the idea that these two guys will inevitably go down the Kobe/Shaq road where neither will ever be willing to accept that they are the #2 guy, and as long as they are on the same team they'll continue the nightly attempts to try to outplay/outshoot each other and will continue butting heads until they eventually reach the point where the relationship implodes and one of them demands a trade.

I don't like this at all. 

For the last couple of years talent has not been the problem for the Celtics, it's been mentality/attitude.  For a team to win a Championship everybody must know their role and embrace their role.  I honestly believe that as long as we have Tatum and Brown both on this roster earning max money believe they are each the best player on the team, this team will continue to struggle with chemistry issues and struggle to win a title. 

To me if I'm Brad, this mentality puts me instantly into "Trade Brown" mode.  Though of course I wouldn't want to make this obvious (in order to not drive his trade value down), but I would be have a very open ear to any teams out there who are looking to trade major pieces (including Lillard) and I would be going into contract negotiations based on the expectation that Brown will end up getting traded at some point in the next year or so.

I love this. An all-nba guy SHOULD have supreme confidence, he should be driven to be the best.

There is confidence and then there is someone who isn't in reality.  Tatum is the best player on the team.  The team plays better with Tatum.  If Brown can't fit in around Tatum, then he needs to go.  While the C's guys aren't as good as Lebron and Wade, Wade had the sense to realize that Lebron was better than he was and that the Heat would go as far as Lebron would take them, so Wade told Lebron it was his team, to stop deferring, and to take over.  I don't know if they win 2 titles together without Wade doing that.

Exactly my point.  You can never have two #1 guys on a team - it's a recipe for disaster.  The only example I think of in past years where teams have win championships with two players who both think they are #1 was the Lakers with Kobe and Shaq - they weren't so far as winning 3 titles together from memory.  But even that fell apart eventually, as both players insisted on being the Alpha and neither would accept being the #2, with the end result being a very public conflict that eventually ended in Shaq demanding a trade. 

So i'm not going to say you CAN'T win a title with two guys who both thing they are number 1...but it's definitely a major hinderance and if it doesn't result in desaster from day one it almost certinaly will at some point later down the road. 

In this league more often then not the teams that win are the teams where every play knows there roles, embraces thier role, and is willing to accept it.  It was the willingness of KG and Ray to sacrifice t be the #2 / #2 guys that allowed the Celtics to win in 2008. 

I understand the argument that if we trade Brown we won't get a player back who is on the same level as he is.  That may well be true, and probably is.  But getting a player back who is 85% or 90% of Jaylen Brown BUT is willing to accept and embrace that role as a #2 guy may well be better for the team's success. 

A big part of why I like the Porzingis pickup so much is because from the interviews it is clear that Porzingis knows his place on the team- he knows this team belongs to Tatum and Brown, and that he is the third banana.  And he's expressed his willingness to not only accept but embrace that role.  That's the type of attitude you need from the top 5-7 guys if you want to have a serious shot at a title.

To be entirely honest, i find this take almost incomprehensible. Like I really don't get it. The c's have had a staggering amount of success over the Tatum/Brown era, they had the 2nd bets offense in the league last year, they have been really good with Tatum/Brown. So saying "i worry about team performance because of this attitude" just strikes me as being disproved by the actual team performance over the last few years.

Exactly. We've been in the Conference Finals practically every year because we have these two guys.