2023 1st rd Pick #25 Manuevering

[Boss_D]

2023 Pick #25 - Traded to Pistons for #31 + Two Future 2nd
        Pick #31 - From Pistons - Traded to Hornets for #34 + #39
        Pick #34 - From Hornets - Traded to Kings for #38 + Future 2nd
        Pick #38 - From Kings - Drafted Jordan Walsh
        Pick #39 - From Hornets - Traded to Hawks for Future 2nd


Essentially Pick #25 =  Pick #38 Jordan Walsh + 4 Future 2nd from Pistons(2), Kings & Hawks.

[keevsnick]

Said this in another thread but its going to be interesting what picks exactly Boston got. DET doesn't have their 24' or 26' seconds but has what projects to be Washingtons 24' and 25' seconds as well as three extra seconds in 26'/27' from various teams. SAC has all its own seconds, 24' and 28' DAL Second and 25' POR second to trade. ATL doesn't have really any of its own seconds to trade but has some farther out from GSW and LAC.

My hope would be the c's got the 24' WAS second from detroit. That could easily be pick 31 in next years draft.

[Celtics2021]

Said this in another thread but its going to be interesting what picks exactly Boston got. DET doesn't have their 24' or 26' seconds but has what projects to be Washingtons 24' and 25' seconds as well as three extra seconds in 26'/27' from various teams. SAC has all its own seconds, 24' and 28' DAL Second and 25' POR second to trade. ATL doesn't have really any of its own seconds to trade but has some farther out from GSW and LAC.

My hope would be the c's got the 24' WAS second from detroit. That could easily be pick 31 in next years draft.

Yeah, getting that 2024 from Washington would be very nice.

[ozgod]

This is probably the reason for all the maneuvering:

[boscel33]

This is probably the reason for all the maneuvering:

Maybe, but dang, could it have fallen better with Sasser or Sheppard right there for the taking.  I hope Brad there's a move coming that explains all of this.  I say the same thing with BB when the Pats trade back all the time.

[Surferdad]

In another thread somebody said Brad may be afraid of picking a 1st rounder. I think the opposite, that perhaps he actually has high confidence in his scouting team, that they can pluck out gems in the 2nd round.

[Boss_D]

Said this in another thread but its going to be interesting what picks exactly Boston got. DET doesn't have their 24' or 26' seconds but has what projects to be Washingtons 24' and 25' seconds as well as three extra seconds in 26'/27' from various teams. SAC has all its own seconds, 24' and 28' DAL Second and 25' POR second to trade. ATL doesn't have really any of its own seconds to trade but has some farther out from GSW and LAC.

My hope would be the c's got the 24' WAS second from detroit. That could easily be pick 31 in next years draft.

From Masslive.com article,

Here’s the full list of draft picks the Celtics acquired on Thursday night

Dallas’ 2024 second round pick
The best of Detroit’s, Golden State’s, or Washington’s 2025 second round pick
The best of Minnesota’s, New Orleans’s, New York’s, or Portland’s 2026 second round pick
Atlanta’s 2027 second round pick

[celts55]

Serious question. If second round picks are so valuable, why did they waste 2 on Muscala? The guy never played

[Neurotic Guy]

Said this in another thread but its going to be interesting what picks exactly Boston got. DET doesn't have their 24' or 26' seconds but has what projects to be Washingtons 24' and 25' seconds as well as three extra seconds in 26'/27' from various teams. SAC has all its own seconds, 24' and 28' DAL Second and 25' POR second to trade. ATL doesn't have really any of its own seconds to trade but has some farther out from GSW and LAC.

My hope would be the c's got the 24' WAS second from detroit. That could easily be pick 31 in next years draft.

From Masslive.com article,

Here’s the full list of draft picks the Celtics acquired on Thursday night

Dallas’ 2024 second round pick
The best of Detroit’s, Golden State’s, or Washington’s 2025 second round pick
The best of Minnesota’s, New Orleans’s, New York’s, or Portland’s 2026 second round pick
Atlanta’s 2027 second round pick

‘25 and ‘26 probably decent picks.

[Celtics4ever]

Serious question. If second round picks are so valuable, why did they waste 2 on Muscala? The guy never played

They're not that valuable.

[Vermont Green]

Serious question. If second round picks are so valuable, why did they waste 2 on Muscala? The guy never played

They're not that valuable.

I think second round picks are going to become more valuable this new era with the second apron.  2nds offer a team a way to get cheap players even if they are over the apron.  They can sign them to regular contracts or as 2-ways (up to 3 now). 

As to the Muscala trade, it was a good use of second round picks, it just didn't work out.  Not all trades do.  But in the future, if the Celtics are over the second apron (which they will be), I don't think they could do a deal like that where we bring in more salary than we send out.  Nor will we be able to sign vet min contracts like Blake Griffin.  Draft picks are going to be the only way to fill those last few roster spots, if I understand correctly.

[BitterJim]

Serious question. If second round picks are so valuable, why did they waste 2 on Muscala? The guy never played

They're not that valuable.

I think second round picks are going to become more valuable this new era with the second apron.  2nds offer a team a way to get cheap players even if they are over the apron.  They can sign them to regular contracts or as 2-ways (up to 3 now). 

As to the Muscala trade, it was a good use of second round picks, it just didn't work out.  Not all trades do.  But in the future, if the Celtics are over the second apron (which they will be), I don't think they could do a deal like that where we bring in more salary than we send out.  Nor will we be able to sign vet min contracts like Blake Griffin.  Draft picks are going to be the only way to fill those last few roster spots, if I understand correctly.

Source on not being able to sign minimum contracts if over the second apron? I don't remember seeing anything about that, and it'd be weird to potentially trap teams at less than 12/13 players if they were over 2nd apron before filling out the roster

[jambr380]

I wasn't too keen on trading 35 to WAS in our deal to get 25 and a future 1st from GSW. It didn't feel like we were truly getting 1st rounder since we were really only moving up 10 spots. But with the addition of Walsh, it seems like he would have been our pick at 35 (reports are that he had a great workout with us).

So, in my mind, I can assume we actually kept the original pick at 35 and then traded 25 for four future 2nd rounders. I realize that may not sound awesome, but a couple of those picks have the potential to be pretty high in the 2nd round, and it just helps us replenish our trove of 2nd round picks in general (which we were really lacking).

25 is a pretty meh pick and it's unlikely we had any workouts with guys we wanted in that range anyway with the trade coming so late. A lot of teams might have just taken the guy they wanted (Walsh) at 25 and called it a day. At least we got Walsh and also managed to get 4 future 2nds out of it.

[Vermont Green]

Serious question. If second round picks are so valuable, why did they waste 2 on Muscala? The guy never played

They're not that valuable.

I think second round picks are going to become more valuable this new era with the second apron.  2nds offer a team a way to get cheap players even if they are over the apron.  They can sign them to regular contracts or as 2-ways (up to 3 now). 

As to the Muscala trade, it was a good use of second round picks, it just didn't work out.  Not all trades do.  But in the future, if the Celtics are over the second apron (which they will be), I don't think they could do a deal like that where we bring in more salary than we send out.  Nor will we be able to sign vet min contracts like Blake Griffin.  Draft picks are going to be the only way to fill those last few roster spots, if I understand correctly.

Source on not being able to sign minimum contracts if over the second apron? I don't remember seeing anything about that, and it'd be weird to potentially trap teams at less than 12/13 players if they were over 2nd apron before filling out the roster

You may be right.  I thought I saw that but now can't find it.  I was thinking the same thing.  It could result in a team being trapped and unable to fill out all of their roster.

[Celtics2021]

Serious question. If second round picks are so valuable, why did they waste 2 on Muscala? The guy never played

They're not that valuable.

I think second round picks are going to become more valuable this new era with the second apron.  2nds offer a team a way to get cheap players even if they are over the apron.  They can sign them to regular contracts or as 2-ways (up to 3 now). 

As to the Muscala trade, it was a good use of second round picks, it just didn't work out.  Not all trades do.  But in the future, if the Celtics are over the second apron (which they will be), I don't think they could do a deal like that where we bring in more salary than we send out.  Nor will we be able to sign vet min contracts like Blake Griffin.  Draft picks are going to be the only way to fill those last few roster spots, if I understand correctly.

Source on not being able to sign minimum contracts if over the second apron? I don't remember seeing anything about that, and it'd be weird to potentially trap teams at less than 12/13 players if they were over 2nd apron before filling out the roster

You may be right.  I thought I saw that but now can't find it.  I was thinking the same thing.  It could result in a team being trapped and unable to fill out all of their roster.

Teams are restricted from signing players who’ve been bought out, not from minimum vets altogether.