The Run-It-Back Thread

[footey]

If you're going to roll with Joe, allow him to pick the staff.  But I'm most curious who the 'veteran assistant' will be. And who makes that call?  Brad or Joe?

There really needs to be an emphasis on player development because if they extend Jaylen, a lot of their roster flexibility goes out the window. So they're going to need to turn some guys with potential, but limited skills into rotation players. Which also means playing these guys, which doesn't jibe with the way Joe coached the team from February on.

Regarding Parish, I'm not a fan of the 'this guy was a great player, he'll make a great coach' thing. Parish had some off court issues with his ex wife where she accused him of abuse. Not sure whether that had anything to do with him never landing an assistant's job, but he's been out of the game for a long time now and has never coached at the NBA level.

Also the game has changed drastically in terms of a 5's role. And he's nearly 70 so I'm not sure how folks would expect him to relate to players who probably have no idea who he is and a coach literally half his age.

Regarding the veteran assistant, that is Brad’s call, because he has the better network to find the assistant than Joe does.  I’m sure Joe will get a say to a point, because an assistant isn’t going to be hired without meeting Mazzulla, but barring Joe saying “there’s no way I can work with this guy” after said meeting, it’s Brad who will have made that particular hire.

Also, when there’s talk of a veteran assistant, I actually think there will be two.  One assistant, like a Silas, who’s been a coach for a long time, and another who had a many year career as an NBA player.

What in Silas' resume makes him a good assistant coach, other than he is a former head coach who failed badly?

He was a well-regarded assistant coach for 20 years prior to getting a head coaching gig (on a team that intentionally tanking).

Whatever well regarding he may have earned it seems he lost during his 3 year stint in Houston.

From the Athletic:

“Defensively, while Silas attempted to stress the importance of versatility on that side of the ball, it was clear that it wasn’t his realm of expertise. His players were ill-equipped to defend and he failed to find any suitable scheme to cover up their many deficiencies on that end.

Still, Silas could and should have done a better job of managing things. He might not have had the full autonomy he expected but he fell short in a number of inexcusable key coaching areas.

Silas was consistently tactically inferior to his opponents and failed to find consistent rotations or substitution patterns — notably juggling the idea of staggering Porter, Sengun and Green to augment the team’s playmaking and creation issues. His vision of a freelance system clashed with inexperienced players and he never adapted adequately to their skillsets.

The Rockets lost a variety of games due to fourth-quarter collapses, some of them boiling down to mismanagement of the coaching staff. From a talent perspective, Houston had enough firepower to make games competitive but lacked understanding of bridging the gap — which boils down to the head coach’s responsibility.

[goCeltics]

They need more shooting, and they a defensive coordinator type on the bench

[hpantazo]

We need a legit replacement for Horford. He's 37 years old now. Can't expect to rely on him as our primary big anymore.

[NHHillbilly]

KG and Paul discuss what to do next:
https://youtu.be/yRcikX-xS6k

Great clip from Paul Pierce and KG.
Pierce said: "this is a championship roster." "You got your chicken and waffles. It's good. You got to add your lemonade..." "Everyone has to get better, starting at the top, Brad, roster, coaching staff, the Jays, and the other players."
They suggest Sam Cassel as an assistant coach. They mentioned that Cassel has coached a number of all-nba guards through the years. I am persuaded that Cassel can help Jaylen get better.

[Kernewek]

If you're going to roll with Joe, allow him to pick the staff.  But I'm most curious who the 'veteran assistant' will be. And who makes that call?  Brad or Joe?

There really needs to be an emphasis on player development because if they extend Jaylen, a lot of their roster flexibility goes out the window. So they're going to need to turn some guys with potential, but limited skills into rotation players. Which also means playing these guys, which doesn't jibe with the way Joe coached the team from February on.

Regarding Parish, I'm not a fan of the 'this guy was a great player, he'll make a great coach' thing. Parish had some off court issues with his ex wife where she accused him of abuse. Not sure whether that had anything to do with him never landing an assistant's job, but he's been out of the game for a long time now and has never coached at the NBA level.

Also the game has changed drastically in terms of a 5's role. And he's nearly 70 so I'm not sure how folks would expect him to relate to players who probably have no idea who he is and a coach literally half his age.

Regarding the veteran assistant, that is Brad’s call, because he has the better network to find the assistant than Joe does.  I’m sure Joe will get a say to a point, because an assistant isn’t going to be hired without meeting Mazzulla, but barring Joe saying “there’s no way I can work with this guy” after said meeting, it’s Brad who will have made that particular hire.

Also, when there’s talk of a veteran assistant, I actually think there will be two.  One assistant, like a Silas, who’s been a coach for a long time, and another who had a many year career as an NBA player.

What in Silas' resume makes him a good assistant coach, other than he is a former head coach who failed badly?

He was a well-regarded assistant coach for 20 years prior to getting a head coaching gig (on a team that intentionally tanking).

Whatever well regarding he may have earned it seems he lost during his 3 year stint in Houston.

From the Athletic:

“Defensively, while Silas attempted to stress the importance of versatility on that side of the ball, it was clear that it wasn’t his realm of expertise. His players were ill-equipped to defend and he failed to find any suitable scheme to cover up their many deficiencies on that end.

Still, Silas could and should have done a better job of managing things. He might not have had the full autonomy he expected but he fell short in a number of inexcusable key coaching areas.

Silas was consistently tactically inferior to his opponents and failed to find consistent rotations or substitution patterns — notably juggling the idea of staggering Porter, Sengun and Green to augment the team’s playmaking and creation issues. His vision of a freelance system clashed with inexperienced players and he never adapted adequately to their skillsets.

The Rockets lost a variety of games due to fourth-quarter collapses, some of them boiling down to mismanagement of the coaching staff. From a talent perspective, Houston had enough firepower to make games competitive but lacked understanding of bridging the gap — which boils down to the head coach’s responsibility.

I would be interested to see a head coach who has successfully survived a franchise trying to tank with the reputation of his coaching intact. Let's presume Pop doesn't count.

[RodyTur10]

We need a legit replacement for Horford. He's 37 years old now. Can't expect to rely on him as our primary big anymore.

Does it need to be a stretch big who can play alongside Williams?

Cheap/good fit: Olynyk, Boucher, Turner, J.Collins, Carter Jr, Eason
Gamble: Z.Collins, Toppin, Washington, Reid, Aldama, Watford, P.Williams, Garuba
Big names: Siakam, Randle, Porzingis, Towns, Markkanen, Jackson Jr

[celticsclay]

If you're going to roll with Joe, allow him to pick the staff.  But I'm most curious who the 'veteran assistant' will be. And who makes that call?  Brad or Joe?

There really needs to be an emphasis on player development because if they extend Jaylen, a lot of their roster flexibility goes out the window. So they're going to need to turn some guys with potential, but limited skills into rotation players. Which also means playing these guys, which doesn't jibe with the way Joe coached the team from February on.

Regarding Parish, I'm not a fan of the 'this guy was a great player, he'll make a great coach' thing. Parish had some off court issues with his ex wife where she accused him of abuse. Not sure whether that had anything to do with him never landing an assistant's job, but he's been out of the game for a long time now and has never coached at the NBA level.

Also the game has changed drastically in terms of a 5's role. And he's nearly 70 so I'm not sure how folks would expect him to relate to players who probably have no idea who he is and a coach literally half his age.

Regarding the veteran assistant, that is Brad’s call, because he has the better network to find the assistant than Joe does.  I’m sure Joe will get a say to a point, because an assistant isn’t going to be hired without meeting Mazzulla, but barring Joe saying “there’s no way I can work with this guy” after said meeting, it’s Brad who will have made that particular hire.

Also, when there’s talk of a veteran assistant, I actually think there will be two.  One assistant, like a Silas, who’s been a coach for a long time, and another who had a many year career as an NBA player.

What in Silas' resume makes him a good assistant coach, other than he is a former head coach who failed badly?

He was a well-regarded assistant coach for 20 years prior to getting a head coaching gig (on a team that intentionally tanking).

Whatever well regarding he may have earned it seems he lost during his 3 year stint in Houston.

From the Athletic:

“Defensively, while Silas attempted to stress the importance of versatility on that side of the ball, it was clear that it wasn’t his realm of expertise. His players were ill-equipped to defend and he failed to find any suitable scheme to cover up their many deficiencies on that end.

Still, Silas could and should have done a better job of managing things. He might not have had the full autonomy he expected but he fell short in a number of inexcusable key coaching areas.

Silas was consistently tactically inferior to his opponents and failed to find consistent rotations or substitution patterns — notably juggling the idea of staggering Porter, Sengun and Green to augment the team’s playmaking and creation issues. His vision of a freelance system clashed with inexperienced players and he never adapted adequately to their skillsets.

The Rockets lost a variety of games due to fourth-quarter collapses, some of them boiling down to mismanagement of the coaching staff. From a talent perspective, Houston had enough firepower to make games competitive but lacked understanding of bridging the gap — which boils down to the head coach’s responsibility.

I would be interested to see a head coach who has successfully survived a franchise trying to tank with the reputation of his coaching intact. Let's presume Pop doesn't count.

Interesting discussion topic. Brett brown had a good reputation 2-3 years in. But after the third year his reputation suffered.

[footey]

Rondo makes great sense to me. He’d call out other teams’ sets. He is a b-ball genius. And won’t let the stars off the hook. Hope we sign him up!!

[SHAQATTACK]

Without




JOE

[radiohead]

Rondo makes great sense to me. He’d call out other teams’ sets. He is a b-ball genius. And won’t let the stars off the hook. Hope we sign him up!!

This is an interesting idea. It could also go south quickly as he and Joe seem to be stubborn, hard headed guys.

[Who]

I would like to see a point guard brought in. The combo guard experiment worked but the results are still mediocre. If that means shopping Smart or Brogdon then I am okay with that. Keep White. Maybe one of the recent draft picks can step up and we don’t need to trade those pieces. Pritchard is probably gone. Madar and Davidson should get a shot.

We need a Big Al replacement. One that can support and fill in for Timelord when he’s injured. We need to see if Gallinari has anything left.

We need a wing to backup Tatum and Brown.

We need to stop kicking out for 3s when there’s a straight line to the basket. I know we’re not going to stop shooting open 3s, but we need to stop giving up easy 2 point shots.

Same here. But it looks like slim pickings. Some names to consider of guys who MAY be in the Celtics price range…

Monte Morris
Tre Jones
Tyus Jones
Killian Hayes

With Ja Morant likely facing a long term suspension, Tyus Jones has become much more valuable to Memphis. They have played well with him as a starter before.

He is likely off the market for now. Unless you grossly overpay.

Might be back on the market mid-season at the trade deadline after Ja Morant returns.

[Who]

I would like to see a point guard brought in. The combo guard experiment worked but the results are still mediocre. If that means shopping Smart or Brogdon then I am okay with that. Keep White. Maybe one of the recent draft picks can step up and we don’t need to trade those pieces. Pritchard is probably gone. Madar and Davidson should get a shot.

We need a Big Al replacement. One that can support and fill in for Timelord when he’s injured. We need to see if Gallinari has anything left.

We need a wing to backup Tatum and Brown.

We need to stop kicking out for 3s when there’s a straight line to the basket. I know we’re not going to stop shooting open 3s, but we need to stop giving up easy 2 point shots.

Same here. But it looks like slim pickings. Some names to consider of guys who MAY be in the Celtics price range…

Monte Morris
Tre Jones
Tyus Jones
Killian Hayes

As an Iowa State grad, I have always loved Monte Morris as a player.  When he was at Iowa State he had three of the top seven single-season assist-to-turnover ratios that have been recorded by the NCAA and four of the top 12.  I never saw him as a legit option for the C's after he got traded from the Nuggets.  But a pass first, super efficient with the ball point guard might just be the thing that helps the C's.  I dunno if you give up Smart or Brogdon to get Morris, but if you are going to trade Smart to get better big man depth, bringing in Morris to be White's backup would be great.

I like Monte Morris as a backup PG but I thought he failed as a starting PG when given the chance in Denver. I haven't watched him in Washington but his stats look more of the same.

I don't see much value in him for BOS. We have 3 guards who are all better than him. Even if we trade 1 of them, it'll likely to play bigger lineups with Jaylen shifting back to SG and the two remaining combo guards taking all the PG minutes and some backup SG minutes. So not available playing time for M Morris. I expect we'd have to trade 2 combo guards before there is a role freed up for Morris to play here and it would be as a backup PG for 20mpg behind whoever stays.

Morris just wasn't dynamic enough offensively or good enough defensively as a starter. He was solid. He took care of the ball. He ran the offense. He was dependable in that. But he wasn't a scorer or a playmaker. He was a solid defender but small. Not a dominant defender. He was useful but unexceptional. Not really a starting caliber guy.

[Who]

Coaching Staff: I'm not convinced that Joe will be swayed by anyone else's opinion, even an assistant coach's, so I'm not convinced it matters who the new assistants are.

Agreed. I doubt we'll see any significant / notable changes from adding veteran assistant coaches. Sometimes you do ... but not that often.

It is the head coach that runs things. Unless the head coach delegates a lot, assistants just don't have that large of an impact. Sometimes they do if they are truly special. Like one of the finest assistants in the league. Either as a specialist (offense or defense, or developmental coach, or big man coach) or as future head coach material themselves.

They guys we're getting linked to don't seem to be anything like that. We are not targeting guys because they are brilliant assistants. We are looking at former head coaches and hoping they can come in and hold Joe's hand while he learns the job. Not sure that will have much of an impact. Talk of adding a former player to the bench. Okay. Still no specialist or exceptional assistant qualities on display.

I don't think they are doing the right things. Maybe they are behind the scenes but it doesn't appear that way through what the media is saying.

[Roy H.]

We need to add a bench big who can defend, rebound, and eat minutes.  It's a necessity.  And Ime needs to play him.

[hpantazo]

I would love to see Baynes back if he has anything left in the tank