Bradley Beal?

[jbpats]

5 - This would in theory be a one year all in play. Under the new CBA we wouldnt be able to have 3 max guys on our roster so after year 1 we would likely be forced to trade one of Tatum, Brown, Beal

I don't know much about the upcoming CBA and it's ramifications. If Jaylen signs the supermax, I assume that won't kick in until after next season. Would that mean he couldn't be traded until a year after the extension kicks in? Would the Celtics then have to trade one of Beal or Tatum? If I'm another team, I'm only making an offer for Tatum, if the Celtics have no choice but to trade one of the two. Am I overtaking this?

I don't have that answer but I don't think the NBA can 'force' us to trade anyone but having 3 supermax guys on our roster would essentially mean the rest of our team is G leaguers.
I think there would be a market for Beal, there will definitely be one for Brown.. we would probably get hosed in the deal but I wouldn't say we 'have to' trade Tatum

[Celtics4ever]

Brown's Future is > Beal's at this point.

[Moranis]

No way I'd trade Brown straight up for Beal (if the dollars even worked, which they don't).  That said, I wouldn't mind Beal here. 

Beal for Brogdon, Rob, Pritchard, 24 1st, 26 1st, 28 1st (top 4), pick swaps in 25 and 27

That is a pretty solid rebuilding trade for the Wizards given the draft picks, Rob, and Pritchard.  They could move Brogdon for at least a couple of 2nd's if not a 1st (especially if they kept him a year)

Post-trade Boston with several open roster spots
Starters - Smart, Beal, Brown, Tatum, Horford
Bench - White, Hauser, Grant, Gallinari, Muscala, Kornet, Champagnie, Davison

Team obviously needs another quality big, so I'd try to move White or Smart for a similar level of player that is a big (maybe Collins from Atlanta).  Or maybe a Brown for Towns type trade comes to be.  Just need another move to balance the roster more, but if you could get Beal while keeping Brown and Tatum, you have to do it.

Weren't the players and the fans criticizing Mazzulla for sticking with the "small" starting line over using RWill?  That we were so much better when we started 2 bigs.  Now we are going to trade for Beal so we can have an even smaller starting line up?

I know a lot of people like the idea of the small line ups.  Not me.  Even if you are able or willing to trade Brown for Towns, Beal is not the small guard that I would target.  LaMelo and Garland who have been mentioned are better options.

but you can't get them without trading Brown, I think you could get Beal without doing so.  Sure if we could do a draft pick trade for Garland or Ball, you do that every time, but I just don't see those as viable. Getting Beal in a draft pick trade is much more likely.

Also, I agree that team is small, which is why you'd need to do another trade, but you don't let a chance to get a guy like Beal, without giving up JB or JT slip by.  Maximize the talent and make the fit work woth later trades.

[Who]

"I'm going to tell, if Bradley Beal gets traded between now and next Thursday, I think people are going to be very surprised at the price and how potentially low it's going to be," said Brian Windhorst. "Because his contract is not attractive. And especially going forward, what it would mean to have a $50 million player on your team that may not be a first or second All-NBA type player."

Windhorst believes the climate that saw Rudy Gobert and Donovan Mitchell traded for significant packages last offseason has changed considerably for players of Beal's level.

"I suspect if he's gets traded it would be for a fraction of that," said Windhorst.

[Vermont Green]

5 - This would in theory be a one year all in play. Under the new CBA we wouldnt be able to have 3 max guys on our roster so after year 1 we would likely be forced to trade one of Tatum, Brown, Beal

I don't know much about the upcoming CBA and it's ramifications. If Jaylen signs the supermax, I assume that won't kick in until after next season. Would that mean he couldn't be traded until a year after the extension kicks in? Would the Celtics then have to trade one of Beal or Tatum? If I'm another team, I'm only making an offer for Tatum, if the Celtics have no choice but to trade one of the two. Am I overtaking this?

There are others more schooled on this but I read that the limit of 2 super max contracts was eliminated:

According to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski and Bobby Marks, the new CBA agreed to by the league and players union will allow for teams to have more than just the two designated supermax players they currently can have on the books.

So I am not sure that this is going to be a constraint moving forward.  And in any case, Tatum would be the third one.  I don't think his contract is a super max right now.  I could be wrong but I think he is on a max deal right now, not a super max.

Whether allowed or not, I can't see it working with 3 super max deals.  The team would be very limited to fill out the rest of the roster.  Even having 2 super max deals will make it hard enough.

[Vermont Green]

No way I'd trade Brown straight up for Beal (if the dollars even worked, which they don't).  That said, I wouldn't mind Beal here. 

Beal for Brogdon, Rob, Pritchard, 24 1st, 26 1st, 28 1st (top 4), pick swaps in 25 and 27

That is a pretty solid rebuilding trade for the Wizards given the draft picks, Rob, and Pritchard.  They could move Brogdon for at least a couple of 2nd's if not a 1st (especially if they kept him a year)

Post-trade Boston with several open roster spots
Starters - Smart, Beal, Brown, Tatum, Horford
Bench - White, Hauser, Grant, Gallinari, Muscala, Kornet, Champagnie, Davison

Team obviously needs another quality big, so I'd try to move White or Smart for a similar level of player that is a big (maybe Collins from Atlanta).  Or maybe a Brown for Towns type trade comes to be.  Just need another move to balance the roster more, but if you could get Beal while keeping Brown and Tatum, you have to do it.

Weren't the players and the fans criticizing Mazzulla for sticking with the "small" starting line over using RWill?  That we were so much better when we started 2 bigs.  Now we are going to trade for Beal so we can have an even smaller starting line up?

I know a lot of people like the idea of the small line ups.  Not me.  Even if you are able or willing to trade Brown for Towns, Beal is not the small guard that I would target.  LaMelo and Garland who have been mentioned are better options.

but you can't get them without trading Brown, I think you could get Beal without doing so.  Sure if we could do a draft pick trade for Garland or Ball, you do that every time, but I just don't see those as viable. Getting Beal in a draft pick trade is much more likely.

Also, I agree that team is small, which is why you'd need to do another trade, but you don't let a chance to get a guy like Beal, without giving up JB or JT slip by.  Maximize the talent and make the fit work woth later trades.

You may be right, if we use Brown to get Towns, then maybe we can't get LaMelo or Garland.  But I still don't want Beal, not for what we would have to give up to match his salary.  We don't have a bad or dead weight contract to send out and even if we did, that is what Beal is likely to become. 

Even if we offer Brogdon, RWill, and Gallinari, we still end up adding $5.8M and lose 3 likely rotation players.  Not sure WAS would even want this package but I don't see it making us better.

[LilRip]

No way I'd trade Brown straight up for Beal (if the dollars even worked, which they don't).  That said, I wouldn't mind Beal here. 

Beal for Brogdon, Rob, Pritchard, 24 1st, 26 1st, 28 1st (top 4), pick swaps in 25 and 27

That is a pretty solid rebuilding trade for the Wizards given the draft picks, Rob, and Pritchard.  They could move Brogdon for at least a couple of 2nd's if not a 1st (especially if they kept him a year)

Post-trade Boston with several open roster spots
Starters - Smart, Beal, Brown, Tatum, Horford
Bench - White, Hauser, Grant, Gallinari, Muscala, Kornet, Champagnie, Davison

Team obviously needs another quality big, so I'd try to move White or Smart for a similar level of player that is a big (maybe Collins from Atlanta).  Or maybe a Brown for Towns type trade comes to be.  Just need another move to balance the roster more, but if you could get Beal while keeping Brown and Tatum, you have to do it.

The Timberwolves are not trading Towns without getting multiple first round picks in return. They have to recoup some of the picks they lost in the Gorbert trade. The Celtics would have to include picks anyways for Towns, since he's signed for multiple, while Brown would only have one.

Even with his contract status, I assume Brown has more value than Towns.

I don’t hate the idea of Beal-Tatum (I think Beal does really well off-ball btw. He’s just been ball dominant coz yknow… that roster haha) but I prefer Tatum-Towns. You get better P&R action and upgrade shooting. Sure you lose some defensive versatility, but that’s why we still need Smart

Tangential question - how much of an upgrade do we think Beal-Tatum is over Beal-Wall? Now, granted, Washington is and was a horribly-run organisation, but that 2016-2017 Wizards team (the only season where Wall [26] and Beal [23] both played 77+ games) was good, not great. And Beal hasn't touched at least 65 games played since 2018-2019.

Tatum is a top 5 player in the league. Wall never was, so I'd say Tatum/Beal would be better. I think at this stage, Beal wouldn't have a problem being the #2 option. He's been THE man in Washington for years and it's a heavy load to carry.  JB seems to think he's the number one option and doesn't look interested deferring or playing off Tatum. I feel like the fit would be better with Beal. He's better at shooting, dribbling, passing, and seems to have a higher BBIQ than JB does.

To add a few more reasons: Beal-Wall are 2 guys playing fairly similar positions. It’s similar to Brown-Tatum. They generally don’t create mismatches when playing off each other in this p&r-heavy era. Tatum’s best p&r’s have been with Rob and Horford and they’re both pretty limited offensively.

Beal-Wall are both “small” too (although Wall was a strong defensive player). Effort definitely counts for something but height is hard to compensate for.

Lastly, Wall can’t space the floor nor has he ever demanded as much attention as Tatum does. Tatum’s just a significantly better player than Wall.

Now all that said, I’m not entirely convinced of a Brown for Beal trade, even if we get some productive role players or decent picks on top of getting Beal. It’s interesting, but I’d rather have KAT+more for JB because I think KAT fits better beside Tatum.

[Kernewek]

Thanks for the thoughts on Beal-Tatum

5 - This would in theory be a one year all in play. Under the new CBA we wouldnt be able to have 3 max guys on our roster so after year 1 we would likely be forced to trade one of Tatum, Brown, Beal

I don't know much about the upcoming CBA and it's ramifications. If Jaylen signs the supermax, I assume that won't kick in until after next season. Would that mean he couldn't be traded until a year after the extension kicks in? Would the Celtics then have to trade one of Beal or Tatum? If I'm another team, I'm only making an offer for Tatum, if the Celtics have no choice but to trade one of the two. Am I overtaking this?

The supermax falls under a designated veteran extension, so Jaylen will be unable to be traded for one year after the deal is signed, subtle but important difference.

[Goldstar88]

Really hope that this doesn't happen...



Mutual interest between Bradley Beal, Miami Heat, but Beal not trying to push his way to Miami or any specific team

While Bradley Beal would welcome a trade to the Heat if the Wizards decide to deal him, he is not trying to push his way to Miami or any specific team, the source said. Beal, who has not asked for a trade, is open to landing with more than a handful of teams; the franchise’s ability to compete for a championship ranks highly among the important criteria for him. – via Miami Herald

The Washington Wizards and the representation for Bradley Beal have a general understanding of several of the teams that Beal would be willing to accept in a trade, and the Heat, as expected, is among those teams, according to a source with direct knowledge. The interest appears mutual: The Heat has expressed interest in Beal, according to the source, though it’s unclear what Miami would be willing to trade for him. – via Miami Herald

[Birdman]

I be surprise if Beal is not wearing a Heat jersey…Bam, Butler, Beal, the new Killer Bs

[gouki88]

No way I'd trade Brown straight up for Beal (if the dollars even worked, which they don't).  That said, I wouldn't mind Beal here. 

Beal for Brogdon, Rob, Pritchard, 24 1st, 26 1st, 28 1st (top 4), pick swaps in 25 and 27

That is a pretty solid rebuilding trade for the Wizards given the draft picks, Rob, and Pritchard.  They could move Brogdon for at least a couple of 2nd's if not a 1st (especially if they kept him a year)

Post-trade Boston with several open roster spots
Starters - Smart, Beal, Brown, Tatum, Horford
Bench - White, Hauser, Grant, Gallinari, Muscala, Kornet, Champagnie, Davison

Team obviously needs another quality big, so I'd try to move White or Smart for a similar level of player that is a big (maybe Collins from Atlanta).  Or maybe a Brown for Towns type trade comes to be.  Just need another move to balance the roster more, but if you could get Beal while keeping Brown and Tatum, you have to do it.

Weren't the players and the fans criticizing Mazzulla for sticking with the "small" starting line over using RWill?  That we were so much better when we started 2 bigs.  Now we are going to trade for Beal so we can have an even smaller starting line up?

I know a lot of people like the idea of the small line ups.  Not me.  Even if you are able or willing to trade Brown for Towns, Beal is not the small guard that I would target.  LaMelo and Garland who have been mentioned are better options.

Until Horford fails and R Williams goes down...

[gouki88]

Really hope that this doesn't happen...



Mutual interest between Bradley Beal, Miami Heat, but Beal not trying to push his way to Miami or any specific team

While Bradley Beal would welcome a trade to the Heat if the Wizards decide to deal him, he is not trying to push his way to Miami or any specific team, the source said. Beal, who has not asked for a trade, is open to landing with more than a handful of teams; the franchise’s ability to compete for a championship ranks highly among the important criteria for him. – via Miami Herald

The Washington Wizards and the representation for Bradley Beal have a general understanding of several of the teams that Beal would be willing to accept in a trade, and the Heat, as expected, is among those teams, according to a source with direct knowledge. The interest appears mutual: The Heat has expressed interest in Beal, according to the source, though it’s unclear what Miami would be willing to trade for him. – via Miami Herald

Would be a painful team to deal with, but surely someone outbids a measly offer of Herro + Robinson + mediocre picks, right?

[Who]

Really hope that this doesn't happen...



Mutual interest between Bradley Beal, Miami Heat, but Beal not trying to push his way to Miami or any specific team

While Bradley Beal would welcome a trade to the Heat if the Wizards decide to deal him, he is not trying to push his way to Miami or any specific team, the source said. Beal, who has not asked for a trade, is open to landing with more than a handful of teams; the franchise’s ability to compete for a championship ranks highly among the important criteria for him. – via Miami Herald

The Washington Wizards and the representation for Bradley Beal have a general understanding of several of the teams that Beal would be willing to accept in a trade, and the Heat, as expected, is among those teams, according to a source with direct knowledge. The interest appears mutual: The Heat has expressed interest in Beal, according to the source, though it’s unclear what Miami would be willing to trade for him. – via Miami Herald

Would be a painful team to deal with, but surely someone outbids a measly offer of Herro + Robinson + mediocre picks, right?

Not sure anyone does outbid that.

Beal's trade value should be low given his recent injury history, huge contract, age and on-court impact. I do not expect WAS to get any blue chip prospects back in return for Beal. An offer of a solid vet or two and multiple picks looks right to me.

[gouki88]

Really hope that this doesn't happen...



Mutual interest between Bradley Beal, Miami Heat, but Beal not trying to push his way to Miami or any specific team

While Bradley Beal would welcome a trade to the Heat if the Wizards decide to deal him, he is not trying to push his way to Miami or any specific team, the source said. Beal, who has not asked for a trade, is open to landing with more than a handful of teams; the franchise’s ability to compete for a championship ranks highly among the important criteria for him. – via Miami Herald

The Washington Wizards and the representation for Bradley Beal have a general understanding of several of the teams that Beal would be willing to accept in a trade, and the Heat, as expected, is among those teams, according to a source with direct knowledge. The interest appears mutual: The Heat has expressed interest in Beal, according to the source, though it’s unclear what Miami would be willing to trade for him. – via Miami Herald

Would be a painful team to deal with, but surely someone outbids a measly offer of Herro + Robinson + mediocre picks, right?

Not sure anyone does outbid that.

Beal's trade value should be low given his recent injury history, huge contract, age and on-court impact. I do not expect WAS to get any blue chip prospects back in return for Beal. An offer of a solid vet or two and multiple picks looks right to me.

I think they'd potentially be able to find an offer with less of a financial commitment. Herro is overpaid, and Robinson is even more overpaid and worse than Kispert.

I wonder if BKN would be interested in pairing Beal and Bridges. They have some good role players (DFS, O'Neale) and Claxton, plus a million picks.

[celticsclay]

Really hope that this doesn't happen...



Mutual interest between Bradley Beal, Miami Heat, but Beal not trying to push his way to Miami or any specific team

While Bradley Beal would welcome a trade to the Heat if the Wizards decide to deal him, he is not trying to push his way to Miami or any specific team, the source said. Beal, who has not asked for a trade, is open to landing with more than a handful of teams; the franchise’s ability to compete for a championship ranks highly among the important criteria for him. – via Miami Herald

The Washington Wizards and the representation for Bradley Beal have a general understanding of several of the teams that Beal would be willing to accept in a trade, and the Heat, as expected, is among those teams, according to a source with direct knowledge. The interest appears mutual: The Heat has expressed interest in Beal, according to the source, though it’s unclear what Miami would be willing to trade for him. – via Miami Herald

Would be a painful team to deal with, but surely someone outbids a measly offer of Herro + Robinson + mediocre picks, right?

Not sure anyone does outbid that.

Beal's trade value should be low given his recent injury history, huge contract, age and on-court impact. I do not expect WAS to get any blue chip prospects back in return for Beal. An offer of a solid vet or two and multiple picks looks right to me.

Are we still here in 2023 not realizing Robinson is one of the worst
Contracts In the nba? He is owed 38 million over the next two years and on any decent team is like an 8th man. I’ve been completely baffled that people on this forum never bring this up. It’s a little better now with only two more years, but he has consistently been in every worst contract list for the last two years. And yes, the wizards don’t need to take on a 20 million a year below average role player to dump beal lol.