Ime Udoka gutting Celtics coaching staff

[Mahk E Mahk]

not sure if this is a positive or negative development, as i don’t know much about these three assistant coaches.

one thing is certain, the C’s clearly didn’t manage Ime’s exit appropriately, as a non-poaching clause should have prevented this gutting. however, it is possible brad is allowing it, in order to completely retool the staff around joe, or exit joe and allow the new HC to select his own staff.

https://clutchpoints.com/celtics-news-rockets-ime-udoka-gutting-boston-coaching-staff-heat-elimination

[BringToughnessBack]

Well, pretty sure assistants were getting fired soon. But my question is how bad was what IME where people are following him? Not knowing details is frustrating but understandable but it leaves doubt our owner’s overreacted.

[Mahk E Mahk]

Well, pretty sure assistants were getting fired soon. But my question is how bad was what IME where people are following him? Not knowing details is frustrating but understandable but it leaves doubt our owner’s overreacted.

excellent point, BTB. TP.

to your point, if ime’s crime was so egregious, why would these guys leave a championship contender to follow him?

[liam]

So Ime's guys want to go with him. Doesn't seem surprising at all.

[ozgod]

not sure if this is a positive or negative development, as i don’t know much about these three assistant coaches.

one thing is certain, the C’s clearly didn’t manage Ime’s exit appropriately, as a non-poaching clause should have prevented this gutting. however, it is possible brad is allowing it, in order to completely retool the staff around joe, or exit joe and allow the new HC to select his own staff.

https://clutchpoints.com/celtics-news-rockets-ime-udoka-gutting-boston-coaching-staff-heat-elimination

I strongly suspect it is this. I have a sneaking feeling Joe's not going anywhere.

[greg683x]

Ehh I have good friends that have made questionable moral decisions over the years, some that would’ve gotten them fired from a company too, but we’re still friends and I don’t hold a lapse in judgement over their heads, especially if I think working with them will benefit my career.

Theres some things people do in life where you’ll be forced to cut ties with them.  I know enough information about what happened to know that this isn’t one of them

[RJ87]

Well, pretty sure assistants were getting fired soon. But my question is how bad was what IME where people are following him? Not knowing details is frustrating but understandable but it leaves doubt our owner’s overreacted.

excellent point, BTB. TP.

to your point, if ime’s crime was so egregious, why would these guys leave a championship contender to follow him?

He hired all of them and they all have relationships with him that predate the Celtics. Not surprising at all.

People are making this news when it's just a few dudes showing a guy that gave them an in some loyalty.

[Donoghus]

Well, pretty sure assistants were getting fired soon. But my question is how bad was what IME where people are following him? Not knowing details is frustrating but understandable but it leaves doubt our owner’s overreacted.

excellent point, BTB. TP.

to your point, if ime’s crime was so egregious, why would these guys leave a championship contender to follow him?

I'm not sure it was egregious but it was against personal conduct corporate policy. 

it's a fine line of where your morals stand and career progression/loyalty.  Everyone has different thresholds.

[Mahk E Mahk]

Well, pretty sure assistants were getting fired soon. But my question is how bad was what IME where people are following him? Not knowing details is frustrating but understandable but it leaves doubt our owner’s overreacted.

excellent point, BTB. TP.

to your point, if ime’s crime was so egregious, why would these guys leave a championship contender to follow him?

I'm not sure it was egregious but it was against personal conduct corporate policy. 

it's a fine line of where your morals stand and career progression/loyalty.  Everyone has different thresholds.

well, it was egregious enough to warrant the firing of the ECF champ’s HC, which necessitated the hasty hiring of an extremely inexperienced rookie coach less than a week before training camp, all for a team that was widely considered to be the league’s top title contender.

i also recall wyc mentioning a multi-month investigation by an outside law firm, which seems to signal something larger than a violation of corporate personal conduct policy, which would typically be handled internally.

or the C’s and their inexperienced and emotional GM overreacted. either way, houston is the beneficiary, while the C’s are stuck with joe for at least another season.

[gouki88]

I think it's a positive. Fresh start (sort of). Dump the emotional baggage tied to Ime from those coaches, and get some experienced guys in. We have a real shortage of assistant coaches, so I would imagine it would be a hot ticket.

[Donoghus]

Well, pretty sure assistants were getting fired soon. But my question is how bad was what IME where people are following him? Not knowing details is frustrating but understandable but it leaves doubt our owner’s overreacted.

excellent point, BTB. TP.

to your point, if ime’s crime was so egregious, why would these guys leave a championship contender to follow him?

I'm not sure it was egregious but it was against personal conduct corporate policy. 

it's a fine line of where your morals stand and career progression/loyalty.  Everyone has different thresholds.

well, it was egregious enough to warrant the firing of the ECF champ’s HC, which necessitated the hasty hiring of an extremely inexperienced rookie coach less than a week before training camp, all for a team that was widely considered to be the league’s top title contender.

i also recall wyc mentioning a multi-month investigation by an outside law firm, which seems to signal something larger than a violation of corporate personal conduct policy, which would typically be handled internally.

or the C’s and their inexperienced and emotional GM overreacted. either way, houston is the beneficiary, while the C’s are stuck with joe for at least another season.

What may be considered egregious for HR purposes might not necessarily be enough to break loyalties or career aspirations.

[RJ87]

Well, pretty sure assistants were getting fired soon. But my question is how bad was what IME where people are following him? Not knowing details is frustrating but understandable but it leaves doubt our owner’s overreacted.

excellent point, BTB. TP.

to your point, if ime’s crime was so egregious, why would these guys leave a championship contender to follow him?

I'm not sure it was egregious but it was against personal conduct corporate policy. 

it's a fine line of where your morals stand and career progression/loyalty.  Everyone has different thresholds.

well, it was egregious enough to warrant the firing of the ECF champ’s HC, which necessitated the hasty hiring of an extremely inexperienced rookie coach less than a week before training camp, all for a team that was widely considered to be the league’s top title contender.

i also recall wyc mentioning a multi-month investigation by an outside law firm, which seems to signal something larger than a violation of corporate personal conduct policy, which would typically be handled internally.

or the C’s and their inexperienced and emotional GM overreacted. either way, houston is the beneficiary, while the C’s are stuck with joe for at least another season.

You realize if they suspended or fired him without cause, they'd be wide open to a lawsuit right?

We get it, you hate Brad. But they had enough evidence of Ime's misconduct to proceed the way that they did with no pushback.

[Mahk E Mahk]

Well, pretty sure assistants were getting fired soon. But my question is how bad was what IME where people are following him? Not knowing details is frustrating but understandable but it leaves doubt our owner’s overreacted.

excellent point, BTB. TP.

to your point, if ime’s crime was so egregious, why would these guys leave a championship contender to follow him?

I'm not sure it was egregious but it was against personal conduct corporate policy. 

it's a fine line of where your morals stand and career progression/loyalty.  Everyone has different thresholds.

well, it was egregious enough to warrant the firing of the ECF champ’s HC, which necessitated the hasty hiring of an extremely inexperienced rookie coach less than a week before training camp, all for a team that was widely considered to be the league’s top title contender.

i also recall wyc mentioning a multi-month investigation by an outside law firm, which seems to signal something larger than a violation of corporate personal conduct policy, which would typically be handled internally.

or the C’s and their inexperienced and emotional GM overreacted. either way, houston is the beneficiary, while the C’s are stuck with joe for at least another season.

What may be considered egregious for HR purposes might not necessarily be enough to break loyalties or career aspirations.

yeah, i get your point but i can’t seem to rationalize the “egregious for HR purposes” with the need for an external law firm. fyi, i quoted your words not because i’m challenging your pov, but because i can’t seem to reconcile the C’s claims with their reactions.

violations of personal conduct and corporate policy, even egregious ones in the eyes of HR, are typically handled internally for privacy purposes, to contain leaks, and to control the external narrative (i.e. damage control for all parties). once the work goes external, all of these things are at risk, which is only worth it when the “crime” warrants the risk. in the current politically correct culture (and nba), something in this scenario doesn’t add up. 

[Mahk E Mahk]

Well, pretty sure assistants were getting fired soon. But my question is how bad was what IME where people are following him? Not knowing details is frustrating but understandable but it leaves doubt our owner’s overreacted.

excellent point, BTB. TP.

to your point, if ime’s crime was so egregious, why would these guys leave a championship contender to follow him?

I'm not sure it was egregious but it was against personal conduct corporate policy. 

it's a fine line of where your morals stand and career progression/loyalty.  Everyone has different thresholds.

well, it was egregious enough to warrant the firing of the ECF champ’s HC, which necessitated the hasty hiring of an extremely inexperienced rookie coach less than a week before training camp, all for a team that was widely considered to be the league’s top title contender.

i also recall wyc mentioning a multi-month investigation by an outside law firm, which seems to signal something larger than a violation of corporate personal conduct policy, which would typically be handled internally.

or the C’s and their inexperienced and emotional GM overreacted. either way, houston is the beneficiary, while the C’s are stuck with joe for at least another season.

You realize if they suspended or fired him without cause, they'd be wide open to a lawsuit right?

We get it, you hate Brad. But they had enough evidence of Ime's misconduct to proceed the way that they did with no pushback.

first of all, anyone can sue anyone for anything at any time; the risk of a lawsuit is always present. massachusetts is an “at-will” employment state, which means an employer can fire any employee at any time for any reason, or even for no reason at all, with the exception of discrimination (gender, race, age, religion, disability, nationality, sexuality, etc). furthermore, if an employee has signed an “at-will” agreement, it is not required for an organization to explain their decision. typically, highly paid executives work under such agreements, and ime certainly had one of these agreements.

the NBA league office found nothing they considered to be disqualifying in ime’s situation to prevent him from working again in the NBA, which acknowledges that the C’s are holding ime to a higher standard vs. the nba. combined with facts detailed earlier in this thread, some might consider the C’s action to be an overreaction.

secondly, you’ve jumped to an erroneous conclusion regarding my opinion of brad. i don’t hate brad; actually, i like him and think he’s a very good gm. however, i do think he made a mistake in his handling of ime’s situation, and it’s my opinion that this mistake was made due to brad’s inexperience and emotions. his tears at the press conference were extremely odd.

[RJ87]

first of all, anyone can sue anyone for anything at any time; the risk of a lawsuit is always present. massachusetts is an “at-will” employment state, which means an employer can fire any employee at any time for any reason, or even for no reason at all, with the exception of discrimination (gender, race, age, religion, disability, nationality, sexuality, etc). furthermore, if an employee has signed an “at-will” agreement, it is not required for an organization to explain their decision. typically, highly paid executives work under such agreements, and ime certainly had one of these agreements.

the NBA league office found nothing they considered to be disqualifying in ime’s situation to prevent him from working again in the NBA, which acknowledges that the C’s are holding ime to a higher standard vs. the nba. combined with facts detailed earlier in this thread, some might consider the C’s action to be an overreaction.

secondly, you’ve jumped to an erroneous conclusion regarding my opinion of brad. i don’t hate brad; actually, i like him and think he’s a very good gm. however, i do think he made a mistake in his handling of ime’s situation, and it’s my opinion that this mistake was made due to brad’s inexperience and emotions. his tears at the press conference were extremely odd.

1.) The Celtics' code of conduct is separate from the NBA's. There may stipulations in there specific to this organization and how they want their authority figures to conduct themselves.

2.) Brad doesn't make decisions like this unilaterally. We have an entire ownership who very likely made the final call on what to do with Ime.