Brown Needs To Go

[Muzzy66]

This is not just an overreaction to this G7 massacre. But this guy can not get $55M per year. He has a lot of skill and is a great player. I used to prefer him to Tatum but just the bad decisions on the court are unforgivable. Also as a person, he is not a good dude. This may even be a rare scenario where trading him for a bunch of really good players may be worth it even if we do not get a stud in return that is on his level.

P.S. I wish we just lost in 4 after this being the outcome, at least Slow Joe would maybe be gone and we could have Nurse or a competent coach. I'd honestly even have Doc back at this point, which is saying something since the last 15 years for him has not been good.

It's fair to critique a player's flaws and he definitely deserves it after this game. I'm pretty hard on him and have a history of being onboard with a trade. But you don't know these guys at all. It's a reach to attack players personally.

The guy defends Kanye, Kris & Black Hebrew Israelites.. you serious?

Not to mention violent criminals and woman-beaters juts because they are black, and openly going to a Celtics games wearing a "black power" jacket. 

If any white basketball player tried to defend a violent white criminal or wore a "white power" jacket I can guarantee that they would be suspended and fined by either the Celtics or the league, so I struggle to understand the double standard.

I'm not sure if he is genuinely a bad guy or if he's just a young and impressionable kid who's been influenced by the wrong people, but some of his actions and words are extremely off-putting.

[gouki88]

This is not just an overreaction to this G7 massacre. But this guy can not get $55M per year. He has a lot of skill and is a great player. I used to prefer him to Tatum but just the bad decisions on the court are unforgivable. Also as a person, he is not a good dude. This may even be a rare scenario where trading him for a bunch of really good players may be worth it even if we do not get a stud in return that is on his level.

P.S. I wish we just lost in 4 after this being the outcome, at least Slow Joe would maybe be gone and we could have Nurse or a competent coach. I'd honestly even have Doc back at this point, which is saying something since the last 15 years for him has not been good.

It's fair to critique a player's flaws and he definitely deserves it after this game. I'm pretty hard on him and have a history of being onboard with a trade. But you don't know these guys at all. It's a reach to attack players personally.

The guy defends Kanye, Kris & Black Hebrew Israelites.. you serious?

Not to mention violent criminals and woman-beaters juts because they are black, and openly going to a Celtics games wearing a "black power" jacket. 

If any white basketball player tried to defend a violent white criminal or wore a "white power" jacket I can guarantee that they would be suspended and fined by either the Celtics or the league, so I struggle to understand the double standard.

I'm not sure if he is genuinely a bad guy or if he's just a young and impressionable kid who's been influenced by the wrong people, but some of his actions and words are extremely off-putting.

Please cite this. Would like to know where Brown stated he is okay with black men beating women.

[mig3zwo]

although I think, JB has problems (ball handling, stepping up in clutch moments), he is not THE problem. And we did not lose solely because of him.

thats why I wouldn't trade him... he knows his stats... he knows what he needs to be better at. I trust, he will put the work in.

[lrybrd]

He’s had 3 years to fix the warts of his game and I don’t see any improvement.  And his basketball IQ is ridiculously low.  Not knowing game situations and what is a good and bad shot is likely not going to happen at this point.   

[Kernewek]

If any white basketball player tried to defend a violent white criminal or wore a "white power" jacket I can guarantee that they would be suspended and fined by either the Celtics or the league, so I struggle to understand the double standard. 

There are leagues of difference between defending violent white criminals and wearing a white power jacket.

I also think you’re being wilfully disingenuous by saying you don’t understand the double standard.

Neither of this things have anything to do with Jaylen Brown, really.

[Muzzy66]

This is not just an overreaction to this G7 massacre. But this guy can not get $55M per year. He has a lot of skill and is a great player. I used to prefer him to Tatum but just the bad decisions on the court are unforgivable. Also as a person, he is not a good dude. This may even be a rare scenario where trading him for a bunch of really good players may be worth it even if we do not get a stud in return that is on his level.

P.S. I wish we just lost in 4 after this being the outcome, at least Slow Joe would maybe be gone and we could have Nurse or a competent coach. I'd honestly even have Doc back at this point, which is saying something since the last 15 years for him has not been good.

It's fair to critique a player's flaws and he definitely deserves it after this game. I'm pretty hard on him and have a history of being onboard with a trade. But you don't know these guys at all. It's a reach to attack players personally.

The guy defends Kanye, Kris & Black Hebrew Israelites.. you serious?

Not to mention violent criminals and woman-beaters juts because they are black, and openly going to a Celtics games wearing a "black power" jacket. 

If any white basketball player tried to defend a violent white criminal or wore a "white power" jacket I can guarantee that they would be suspended and fined by either the Celtics or the league, so I struggle to understand the double standard.

I'm not sure if he is genuinely a bad guy or if he's just a young and impressionable kid who's been influenced by the wrong people, but some of his actions and words are extremely off-putting.

Please cite this. Would like to know where Brown stated he is okay with black men beating women.

Jacob Blake was a black criminal who violated an AVO (and who had a warrant out for his arrest for sexual assault and domestic abuse) to break in to his ex-gf's house, take her kids, take the keys to her car, and was trying to drive off with / kidnap her children.  He was shot by police in self-defence after he resisted arrest, resisted being tazed,and then finally tried to reach for a knife in his car:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Jacob_Blake

Jaylen Brown called for players to strike in protest in order to show support for this despicable human and is quoted openly stating that the only thing he sees is "a black man being shot by a cop 7 times":

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2906234-jaylen-brown-all-i-see-when-i-wear-no-7-is-jacob-blake-being-shot-7-times

He then followed it up by wearing a "Black Panther Party" shirt - showing support for a violent "black power" organiszation.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/10/f8/a2/10f8a2dc2d5996500f5127c1e4c35205.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party

Not sure what more evidence you need.

I'm not sure if it's because he's simply naive and doesn't realise the reality of what he's standing up for, or if's he's just a bad guy.  Unfortunately I don't think JB is a stupid guy, so I think it may be the latter...

One way or the other if you are the type of person who standas up for a stranger who would commit sexual assault and domestic violence, try to kidnap children, top it all off by pulling a knife on a Police officer - purely because the man is black - then I'm sorry, but you aren't much better then he is. 

[Muzzy66]

If any white basketball player tried to defend a violent white criminal or wore a "white power" jacket I can guarantee that they would be suspended and fined by either the Celtics or the league, so I struggle to understand the double standard. 

There are leagues of difference between defending violent white criminals and wearing a white power jacket.

I also think you’re being wilfully disingenuous by saying you don’t understand the double standard.

Neither of this things have anything to do with Jaylen Brown, really.

A violent criminal is a violent criminal - it doesnt matter if they are white, black, asian, hispanic or middle eastern.  Bad people are bad people.  Having somebody standing up for back people while representing the NBA and the Celtics SHOULD be considered unacceptable, regardless of skin colour. 

Wearing a black power jacket should be seen no different to wearign a white power jacket.  They are both symbols of hate and racism.

They have everything to do with Jaylen Brown since he made the choice to use his own public reach as a member of the Boston Celktics to directly involve himself in both situations.  He spoke supporting black criminals during Boston Celtics press conferences and he wore a black power jacket on the way to a Celtics game. 

The double standard is not acceptable.  Period.  Hate is hate.  Racism is racism.  It doesn't  matter the skin colour of the person committing it or the colour of the person its beign committed against.  A black person burning a white person alive just because hes white is no less horrible then a white person burning a black person alive because hes black.   

[Neurotic Guy]

This is not just an overreaction to this G7 massacre. But this guy can not get $55M per year. He has a lot of skill and is a great player. I used to prefer him to Tatum but just the bad decisions on the court are unforgivable. Also as a person, he is not a good dude. This may even be a rare scenario where trading him for a bunch of really good players may be worth it even if we do not get a stud in return that is on his level.

P.S. I wish we just lost in 4 after this being the outcome, at least Slow Joe would maybe be gone and we could have Nurse or a competent coach. I'd honestly even have Doc back at this point, which is saying something since the last 15 years for him has not been good.

It's fair to critique a player's flaws and he definitely deserves it after this game. I'm pretty hard on him and have a history of being onboard with a trade. But you don't know these guys at all. It's a reach to attack players personally.

The guy defends Kanye, Kris & Black Hebrew Israelites.. you serious?

Not to mention violent criminals and woman-beaters juts because they are black, and openly going to a Celtics games wearing a "black power" jacket. 

If any white basketball player tried to defend a violent white criminal or wore a "white power" jacket I can guarantee that they would be suspended and fined by either the Celtics or the league, so I struggle to understand the double standard.

I'm not sure if he is genuinely a bad guy or if he's just a young and impressionable kid who's been influenced by the wrong people, but some of his actions and words are extremely off-putting.

If White people were a discriminated minority then you’d have an analogous situation but that isn’t the history in this country.  White power connotes Whites over other races; supremacy. Black power is an equality-seeking message. Like it or not, America’s history places the races in a different mentality and makes the analogy you’re trying to make incorrect and poorly informed. 

Whites in America - when the term Black Power came into being - had the power to legally discriminate. They did so (along with frequent impunity from violence) by refusing to allow blacks into hotels, restaurants, bathrooms, not allowing them in certain neighborhoods, providing them with poor schools, fewer opportunities, systematic and very directly racism.  When Blacks began to fight back it made sense to gain power through messages of self-worth, messages of fighting racism as opposed to White Power which sends a message of blatant racism and supremacy given American history.  Many Black Americans still feel racism is alive and well in America and that is why the reaction to police shootings/killings is so visceral. Doesn’t mean Jaylen is right in his reaction in this case, but your attempt to simplify through a non-analogous analogy neglects historical perspective.

[SHAQATTACK]

I’m thinking Brown has hand , finger , wrist injuries possibly bothering him ?

[Roy H.]

I’m thinking Brown has hand , finger , wrist injuries possibly bothering him ?

I would assume so.  JB hasn't had a series like that since 2019.

I'd keep Brown.  He's a great player.  Our leading scorer in the Finals last year, if I'm remembering correctly.  He was very good against Atlanta and Philly this year. 

[celticinorlando]

Resigning brown to keep him is going to handcuff this team and the cap space in two years. You need to trade him.

[greg683x]

I’m not ready to give up on Brown yet.  What we really need is a good offensive coach that can put him in better in game situations where he can take advantage of his strengths as a player and then also stay out of situations where his weaknesses can get him into trouble.

The offensive end of the court just seems like to much of a free for all for everyone

[celticinorlando]

I’m not ready to give up on Brown yet.  What we really need is a good offensive coach that can put him in better in game situations where he can take advantage of his strengths as a player and then also stay out of situations where his weaknesses can get him into trouble.

The offensive end of the court just seems like to much of a free for all for everyone

He refuses to play a team game no matter who the coach has been. The ball gets to him and he never moves it. It is dribble into four guys and shoot a very tough shot, turnover, missed jump shot. I am not sure what his strengths are other than being athletic.

Games like this prove over and over he is incapable of putting a team on his back and pulling them across the finish line. The biggest moments he just is awful. 8 turnovers last night and honestly the Heat weren't doing anything special on defense.

[scaryjerry]

Brown was really bad in this series.
Brown is a really good player, and was our best player in last years finals.
Ideally we keep that homegrown player we drafted, people making him the scapegoat are babies.
That said, even I don’t know if he’s worth the money he’s about to get especially with his history of not exactly loving Boston.

[greg683x]

I’m not ready to give up on Brown yet.  What we really need is a good offensive coach that can put him in better in game situations where he can take advantage of his strengths as a player and then also stay out of situations where his weaknesses can get him into trouble.

The offensive end of the court just seems like to much of a free for all for everyone

He refuses to play a team game no matter who the coach has been. The ball gets to him and he never moves it. It is dribble into four guys and shoot a very tough shot, turnover, missed jump shot. I am not sure what his strengths are other than being athletic.

Games like this prove over and over he is incapable of putting a team on his back and pulling them across the finish line. The biggest moments he just is awful. 8 turnovers last night and honestly the Heat weren't doing anything special on defense.

Name the offensive minded coach that’s tried to control him though.  With Udoka, everything was defense first. I guess you could say Brad, but Brown was younger, his game was even less polished, and I don’t think he was even second banana at that point.

I’ve never been a fan of D’Antoni as a coach just because of the complete lack of attention he pays to the defensive end, but if we did what we did in 2008 with Doc Rivers and hire a defensive guru like Tom T to specifically handle the defense, I could really get behind that.