JB in a nutshell…

[BASS_THUMPER]

Not making any excuses but didn’t JB bang his knee in one game and cut his finger on his shooting hand in another?

Must have some affect in his shooting mechanics no?

*SIPPIN*

[Muzzy66]

I really feel this one play illustrates his greatest strength (athleticism) and greatest weakness (low BBIQ).

How do you go 1 on 5 here? 

He lacks situational awareness and low IQ.  At this point, will he ever figure it out?

https://twitter.com/anotherftbacct/status/1659766350712287232?s=42&t=1X_JM6t_sHOmJ-4Zf9_JdQ

He was an All-Star and ALL-NBA second team this year. HE ALREADY FIGURED IT OUT.

The accolades you’re refferring to are nice.  It’s a great INDIVIDUAL achievement and will certainly allow him to get paid handsomely.  I’m not trying to dismiss that.

I’m referring to him figuring out how to play winning basketball, making winning plays, making his teammates better.

He's been on literally 5 ECF teams in 7 years. He must be doing something right. At the VERY LEAST he certainly isn't preventing team success.

I'm sorry, the idea that Jaylen doesn't contribute to winning is asinine. He's not a perfect player, almost no player in the league right now is. He has strength and weakness, just every 15th to 20th best NBA player does.

Could he be better at certain things? Yes. But the hate Jaylen gets is largely a product of "The grass is always greener" effect. Most NBA fans don't watch enough of other teams or players to really know what a guy's strengths ore weakness are, they get to see all the warts of their own guys but not those of a vast majority of NBA players. Because you have to watch A LOT of NBA to know when a guy has a loose handle, gets back cut, ect ect ect.

On the contrary I'm pleasantly surprised, because this is one of the very few times I've seen people actually call JB out for his mistakes, and I'm surprised but glad to see it.

Every time the Celtics lose all I ever see is people hammering hate on to Tatum, and when Brown has garbage nights or makes horrible mistakes I rarely ever see anybody hold him accountable.  He always seems to be the "fan favourite" and seems to be able to get away with murder.  I'm not going to say that I enjoy hating on him, but I'm just glad to see people actually being fair for a change and not just pointing every finger at Tatum. 

Truth is, every year the Celtics have some fair excuses for falling short.  We've always had issues with consistent bench production, we've always struggled a little defensively when Rob Wiliams has missed games, we've had our issues with rebounding due to lack of size, we've had some pretty sucky luck with injuries, Smart has often been a lose canon who makes bonehead plays at crucial times and shoots the team out of games, Tatum and Brown have still been young and developing, etc. 

But this season I really don't think the team has any excuses.  The team has elite depth with White, Grant Williams and Brogdon.  The team has stayed healthy (including Timelord) through the entire playoffs.  Tatum has been rebounding like a machine, and has really helped to improve the team on that end.  Even Smart has been playing pretty great in this run.   This year there is no "what if" I can think of.  This was the Celtic's greatest opportunity to win a title, and they are falling short in ways that I just can't explain. 

It's come to a point where I can no longer focus on small details and have to conclude that the core of the team is the problem.  I have to get back to questioning that Tatum/Brown combo. 

Tatum and Brown are both iso heavy, volume shooting perimeter guys who are very hot/cold on the offensive end, and who can be quite turnover prone at times.  When they are at their best (i.e. the shots are falling and they are taking care of the ball) they look [dang] near unbeatable, but when the shots are struggling and their handles are struggling the team is pretty much doomed.  And when you are playing against an elite defensive team like the Heat (which you expect to in the later rounds of the playoffs) that puts extreme pressure on you every possession, then that deadly 1/2 punch just turns into a stream of turnovers and bad forced jumpers and just ends up burying you. 

I also can't help but feel that JB is not especially happy with Boston as a city, with the Celtics as an organisation, or with the idea of having to live in Tatum's shadow.  I don't think that's helping the situation, because it kinda feels like he's constantly competing with for the spotlight rather than genuinely accepting his role as the #2 and showing a willingness to sacrifice/compromise to support Tatum and do what is needed to help the team win.  I can't entirely blame him for that - he's really not THAT far behind Tatum as a talent, and he could almost certainly be the #1 guy on his own team if he were to go elsewhere - I can imagine myself being frustrated if I were in his position. 

Maybe I'm overeacting...maybe all this is on the coach.  But I feel that is a cop-out.  I think some of this is definitely on the coach and he'll probably be fired for it, but you can't necessarily blame the coach for missed shots, bad shots and lazy turnovers. 

[Mahk E Mahk]

a large part of jaylen’s problem is his inflated sense of self. he hasn’t realized that he’s not the player or renaissance man the media machine has created (gasp, he plays CHESS!!!). in spite of what JB might think, his weaknesses will prevent him from being an effective and efficient #1 offensive weapon, though he may leave boston to explore this possibility. jb doesn’t realize that tatum’s presence on the floor creates opportunities for him that won’t exist if he’s a team’s #1 option. ironically, i do believe JB resents tatum, which creates conflict in the locker room. he needs to be humbled.

furthermore, jb is not an ideal #2 for tatum. his style of play is not complimentary, which is why it often seems like the J’s can’t play well together and essentially take turns at being the offensive focus. jb’s penchant for attempting stupid 1-on-3 or 1-on-4 shots is emblematic of his game: he’s a selfish, individual contributor who doesn’t make his teammates better, particularly tatum. as much as he handles the ball, he’s averaging only 3 assists/game, and 3 turnovers/game.

bottom line: in spite of his contract situation, trade him and get the most value available. some of the value created will be addition by subtraction. in return, add a playmaking PG who can run the offense, and a center with a post game.

[TheReaLPuba]

As bad as JB has been this series he’s more consistent than JT

JB is also the better slasher and better on the fast break and has the better mid range game

Yes he does turn the ball over more often with poor decision making and shakey ball handling but he generally makes the right plays more often than not

[gouki88]

As bad as JB has been this series he’s more consistent than JT

JB is also the better slasher and better on the fast break and has the better mid range game

Yes he does turn the ball over more often with poor decision making and shakey ball handling but he generally makes the right plays more often than not

You have literally no evidence to back up your claim about Brown being “more consistent”, and that lack of evidence is the case because the argument is nonsense.

I guess Brown has been more consistent in being consistently terrible this series. Yippee

[Muzzy66]

As bad as JB has been this series he’s more consistent than JT

JB is also the better slasher and better on the fast break and has the better mid range game

Yes he does turn the ball over more often with poor decision making and shakey ball handling but he generally makes the right plays more often than not

Brown is NOT more consistent then Tatum.  People say this all the time and it's nonsense.  JB's offensive production varies just as dramatically from game to game as Tatum's does.  The only difference is that Brown is a little more efficient on the offensive end, and that's largely because (unlike Tatum) he is not the #1 focus point of every opponent's defensive scheme every night.

Tatum and Brown offensively are [dang] near the exact same player.  They are both streaky, volume shooters who play a lot of perimeter ISO-ball, take a lot of low-percentage jumpers, and are prone to turning the ball over under pressure.

The main difference between them is that Tatum does enough other stuff on the court (defence, playmaking, rebounding, drawing offensive attention) that he can still have a fairly consistent positive impact on winning even when he's having a sub-par offensive game.  When JB is having a bad offensive night he typically does not contribute enough in other ways to make up for it.  I can forgive Tatum having 12 points on 33% shooting if he also gives you 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 blocks and finishes at +15.

[Celtic_Pride777]

As bad as JB has been this series he’s more consistent than JT

JB is also the better slasher and better on the fast break and has the better mid range game

Yes he does turn the ball over more often with poor decision making and shakey ball handling but he generally makes the right plays more often than not

Brown is NOT more consistent then Tatum.  People say this all the time and it's nonsense.  JB's offensive production varies just as dramatically from game to game as Tatum's does.  The only difference is that Brown is a little more efficient on the offensive end, and that's largely because (unlike Tatum) he is not the #1 focus point of every opponent's defensive scheme every night. 

The main difference between Brown and Tatum is that Tatum does enough other stuff on the court (defence, playmaking, rebounding, drawing offensive attention) that he can still have a fairly consistent positive impact on winning even when he's having a sub-par offensive game.  When JB is having a bad offensive night he typically does not contribute enough in other ways to make up for it.  I can forgive Tatum having 12 points on 33% shooting if he also gives you 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 blocks and finishes at +15.

In a few weeks, Brown is about to become the NBA’s highest-paid player. Let that sink in.

[Mahk E Mahk]

As bad as JB has been this series he’s more consistent than JT

JB is also the better slasher and better on the fast break and has the better mid range game

Yes he does turn the ball over more often with poor decision making and shakey ball handling but he generally makes the right plays more often than not

Brown is NOT more consistent then Tatum.  People say this all the time and it's nonsense.  JB's offensive production varies just as dramatically from game to game as Tatum's does.  The only difference is that Brown is a little more efficient on the offensive end, and that's largely because (unlike Tatum) he is not the #1 focus point of every opponent's defensive scheme every night. 

The main difference between Brown and Tatum is that Tatum does enough other stuff on the court (defence, playmaking, rebounding, drawing offensive attention) that he can still have a fairly consistent positive impact on winning even when he's having a sub-par offensive game.  When JB is having a bad offensive night he typically does not contribute enough in other ways to make up for it.  I can forgive Tatum having 12 points on 33% shooting if he also gives you 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 blocks and finishes at +15.

In a few weeks, Brown is about to become the NBA’s highest-paid player. Let that sink in.

that’s truly unbelievable.

after this postseason, how likely is it that someone would be willing to assume that contract in a trade?

[RodyTur10]

As bad as JB has been this series he’s more consistent than JT

JB is also the better slasher and better on the fast break and has the better mid range game

Yes he does turn the ball over more often with poor decision making and shakey ball handling but he generally makes the right plays more often than not

Brown is NOT more consistent then Tatum.  People say this all the time and it's nonsense.  JB's offensive production varies just as dramatically from game to game as Tatum's does.  The only difference is that Brown is a little more efficient on the offensive end, and that's largely because (unlike Tatum) he is not the #1 focus point of every opponent's defensive scheme every night. 

The main difference between Brown and Tatum is that Tatum does enough other stuff on the court (defence, playmaking, rebounding, drawing offensive attention) that he can still have a fairly consistent positive impact on winning even when he's having a sub-par offensive game.  When JB is having a bad offensive night he typically does not contribute enough in other ways to make up for it.  I can forgive Tatum having 12 points on 33% shooting if he also gives you 12 rebounds, 8 assists, 2 blocks and finishes at +15.

In a few weeks, Brown is about to become the NBA’s highest-paid player. Let that sink in.

that’s truly unbelievable.

after this postseason, how likely is it that someone would be willing to assume that contract in a trade?

Not likely. That's why we shouldn't do it.