What’s up with Tatum in the 4th?

[jpotter33]

Tatum is lost like the rest of team once it comes down to execution time. Thats what happens when you have weak mental players with no coach.

When you're getting doubled, the rest of your team isn't making them pay for the doubles, and your coach is incompetent to make any adjustments to address this issue, then of course you're going to look lost and not get up a bunch of field goals.

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Tatum is lost like the rest of team once it comes down to execution time. Thats what happens when you have weak mental players with no coach.

We have been bad in clutch times for sure.   But the bolded lost us the game tonight.  No adjustments at all to the things that Spoelstra was doing.

[celticinorlando]

Tatum is lost like the rest of team once it comes down to execution time. Thats what happens when you have weak mental players with no coach.

We have been bad in clutch times for sure.   But the bolded lost us the game tonight.  No adjustments at all to the things that Spoelstra was doing.

Spo is just cooking Joe.

Imagine the Celtics if they had spo as coach

[ozgod]

Tatum has had 3 field goal attempts in the 4th across 2 games. Not even field goal makes. That’s just attempts! That’s crazy. How’s that possible?

They’re trapping him every time he gets the ball when he initiates play and then when he goes get it on the perimeter he has to be the one to pass into the zone to break it. They could have mixed things up, sun pick and roll with him as a screener to open things up for others but they didn’t.

Tatum and Mazz have to figure it out because he’ll see a lot of traps ans double teams in his career.

A true PG could break them down. We havent had one in ages. Maybe it would have made sense to try Pritchard tonight.

The problem is Pritchard isn't really a PG either...he's got a shooting guard's mentality. Brogdon is the closest thing this team has to a real PG with vision and judgment. Smart has vision but he gambles too much with high risk high reward passes that have a 20% chance of success and a 80% chance of failure. When he gets it right it can be a game changer but when he gets it wrong it's a turnover and a transition score the other way.

To be fair to Tatum, he did make the right reads and passed the ball to people who were open...they just missed the shots (Al, Jaylen, Smart). The way this team is constructed they have to make shots, if they shoot a low % from 3 they most likely won't win because they don't really have much to fall back on. It's really a make or miss team - tonight they got the spacing, they got some open shots, they just couldn't execute and missed them. Then when they missed them Miami went back the other way and scored, either through Jimmy or Caleb Martin or Gabe Vincent or Max Strus. The Undrafteds hung 51 points on us tonight 

[Kernewek]

Tatum is lost like the rest of team once it comes down to execution time. Thats what happens when you have weak mental players with no coach.

We have been bad in clutch times for sure.   But the bolded lost us the game tonight.  No adjustments at all to the things that Spoelstra was doing.

Spo is just cooking Joe.

Imagine the Celtics if they had spo as coach

A 34 year old Spo? They’d be calling for Brad to fire him and bring on a real coach.

(No, I do not think Mazza is as good of a coach as Spoelstra)

[DocomoCelts]

Tatum is lost like the rest of team once it comes down to execution time. Thats what happens when you have weak mental players with no coach.

We have been bad in clutch times for sure.   But the bolded lost us the game tonight.  No adjustments at all to the things that Spoelstra was doing.

Spo is just cooking Joe.

Imagine the Celtics if they had spo as coach

A 34 year old Spo? They’d be calling for Brad to fire him and bring on a real coach.

(No, I do not think Mazza is as good of a coach as Spoelstra)

Don't think anyone's talking about a 34 year old Spo.  The point about Joe is his lack of experience and coaching nous when the heat is turned up, which Spo of the now and here has in abundance.

[jambr380]

Tatum is lost like the rest of team once it comes down to execution time. Thats what happens when you have weak mental players with no coach.

We have been bad in clutch times for sure.   But the bolded lost us the game tonight.  No adjustments at all to the things that Spoelstra was doing.

Spo is just cooking Joe.

Imagine the Celtics if they had spo as coach

A 34 year old Spo? They’d be calling for Brad to fire him and bring on a real coach.

(No, I do not think Mazza is as good of a coach as Spoelstra)

Don't think anyone's talking about a 34 year old Spo.  The point about Joe is his lack of experience and coaching nous when the heat is turned up, which Spo of the now and here has in abundance.

Yeah, Ainge hired the superior assistant coach in Hardy out from under us to coach a [supposed to be] tanking Jazz team. We got the leftover assistant to coach a contender and gave him no help in the process. Just mind-boggling decision from the front office.

As for Tatum, people can say what they want about him, but he isn't the problem this series. It's just that the rest of his teammates decided not to show up to play. Whether or not this is on the coach is debatable, but it's clear they are not comfortable and feel panicked/unprepared when Miami makes an adjustment.

[cman88]

Tatum is lost like the rest of team once it comes down to execution time. Thats what happens when you have weak mental players with no coach.

When you're getting doubled, the rest of your team isn't making them pay for the doubles, and your coach is incompetent to make any adjustments to address this issue, then of course you're going to look lost and not get up a bunch of field goals.

pretty much this. Heats roleplayers are hitting 3's and scoring when Jimmy/bam are doubled.

on the other side White/horford/smart are bricking 3's leading to transition buckets...the depth has not showed up...

[scaryjerry]

Tatum is lost like the rest of team once it comes down to execution time. Thats what happens when you have weak mental players with no coach.

When you're getting doubled, the rest of your team isn't making them pay for the doubles, and your coach is incompetent to make any adjustments to address this issue, then of course you're going to look lost and not get up a bunch of field goals.

pretty much this. Heats roleplayers are hitting 3's and scoring when Jimmy/bam are doubled.

on the other side White/horford/smart are bricking 3's leading to transition buckets...the depth has not showed up...

Agreed. I know it’s not the sexy thing to do to blame the role players but role players are suppose to win you home playoff games and ours are doing next to nothing and playing terribly all while miamis have been stellar.

Derrick white was arguably our 3rd best player all year and in this series he’s having less impact than the hoard of miamis undrafted players

[SHAQATTACK]

Not Tatum fault , he can’t do it all, Celtics are too predictable, VERY poorly coached , teams gang up on Tatum , poor team offense …..it’s a mess . Strong leadership and change of role players needed to really contend .  Celtics are notmentally solid on court  and playing team ball .  Too relaxed and cool is not going to beat the well coached teams .  You have to have the dog in you and determination to force your will on the opponents and not let up. 

[cman88]

Tatum is lost like the rest of team once it comes down to execution time. Thats what happens when you have weak mental players with no coach.

When you're getting doubled, the rest of your team isn't making them pay for the doubles, and your coach is incompetent to make any adjustments to address this issue, then of course you're going to look lost and not get up a bunch of field goals.

pretty much this. Heats roleplayers are hitting 3's and scoring when Jimmy/bam are doubled.

on the other side White/horford/smart are bricking 3's leading to transition buckets...the depth has not showed up...

Agreed. I know it’s not the sexy thing to do to blame the role players but role players are suppose to win you home playoff games and ours are doing next to nothing and playing terribly all while miamis have been stellar.

Derrick white was arguably our 3rd best player all year and in this series he’s having less impact than the hoard of miamis undrafted players

White is doing nothing. and Horford too... Meanwhile strus and robinson hitting pull up 3's.

I mean, I hate to say it. but thats the game. Was same against Philly. their role players played alot better than ours. which is why it was a series.

[No Nickname]

Tatum is lost like the rest of team once it comes down to execution time. Thats what happens when you have weak mental players with no coach.

When you're getting doubled, the rest of your team isn't making them pay for the doubles, and your coach is incompetent to make any adjustments to address this issue, then of course you're going to look lost and not get up a bunch of field goals.

pretty much this. Heats roleplayers are hitting 3's and scoring when Jimmy/bam are doubled.

on the other side White/horford/smart are bricking 3's leading to transition buckets...the depth has not showed up...

Agreed. I know it’s not the sexy thing to do to blame the role players but role players are suppose to win you home playoff games and ours are doing next to nothing and playing terribly all while miamis have been stellar.

Derrick white was arguably our 3rd best player all year and in this series he’s having less impact than the hoard of miamis undrafted players

White is doing nothing. and Horford too... Meanwhile strus and robinson hitting pull up 3's.

I mean, I hate to say it. but thats the game. Was same against Philly. their role players played alot better than ours. which is why it was a series.

What?  White went 4-6 (3-5 from three) for 11 points.  Same as Struss. And better than Vincent's 2-8.

I think you bench Smart and Brown in crunch time and play Brogdon and White.  Get your smartest players on the court.

[Mahk E Mahk]

when your best player is consistently doubled in crunch time, it’s because they don’t think anyone else can step up. this isn’t an indictment of the bench; this is an indictment of JB.

JB is going to demand a max this offseason but he’s playing nowhere near this level when it matters. if teams are going to consistently and predictably double or triple tatum in crunch time, JB should be feasting and making teams pay. he’s not and tatum will continue to be neutralized until he has a #2 who is a real threat.

[Phantom255x]

when your best player is consistently doubled in crunch time, it’s because they don’t think anyone else can step up. this isn’t an indictment of the bench; this is an indictment of JB.

JB is going to demand a max this offseason but he’s playing nowhere near this level when it matters. if teams are going to consistently and predictably double or triple tatum in crunch time, JB should be feasting and making teams pay. he’s not and tatum will continue to be neutralized until he has a #2 who is a real threat.

Agreed, TP

I'd also argue that in these moments, if you need scoring, White HAS to be out there. He's capable of knocking down open looks while the others focus on the Jays (particularly Tatum). Unfortunately though, Smart apparently has to be out there in those moments because there's an unwritten rule

[Mahk E Mahk]

when your best player is consistently doubled in crunch time, it’s because they don’t think anyone else can step up. this isn’t an indictment of the bench; this is an indictment of JB.

JB is going to demand a max this offseason but he’s playing nowhere near this level when it matters. if teams are going to consistently and predictably double or triple tatum in crunch time, JB should be feasting and making teams pay. he’s not and tatum will continue to be neutralized until he has a #2 who is a real threat.

Agreed, TP

I'd also argue that in these moments, if you need scoring, White HAS to be out there. He's capable of knocking down open looks while the others focus on the Jays (particularly Tatum). Unfortunately though, Smart apparently has to be out there in those moments because there's an unwritten rule

100%, and a TP right back at you.

when the defense makes an over-adjustment to specifically target a player or an offensive set that’s been working, especially in crunch time, our coach has to make a corresponding adjustment to make them pay. unfortunately, joe doesn’t know how to play playoff chess.

having scorers on the floor like DWhite is a must. you’re effectively playing 4-on-3, which should make scoring easier, particularly when the double team is happening above the timeline, so far from the paint. there’s a reason opposing teams leave marcus open in these scenarios…