Slow rolling the ball after a made basket

[bricone29]

The game clock would run bit the 24 second clock would stay at 24 seconds until touched.

Did I miss something..I've noticed in the Celtics,Hawks playoff games..neither clock runs now until touched.

[Phantom255x]

This actually happens a lot.

Sometimes also, when the other team makes a bucket and the ball is just rolling on the floor unnoticed, the game clock is still running while the ref usually picks up the ball and hands it to the team to inbound it. Teams who are leading sometimes use that tactic as well to bleed more clock lol

[SparzWizard]

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[tenn_smoothie]

The rule used to be that the 5-second inbound count started as soon as the ball entered the court, so they couldn't do what you see now with the rolling ball. Should have kept it that way.

[GetLucky]

This has happened for years. Chris Paul and Steve Nash used to do it all the time. I believe Isiah Thomas did as well.

[Roy H.]

The game clock would run bit the 24 second clock would stay at 24 seconds until touched.

Did I miss something..I've noticed in the Celtics,Hawks playoff games..neither clock runs now until touched.

It depends on the circumstances. If the game clock is stopped when the ball is rolled in, then it doesn't start until somebody touches the ball.  If the game clock is running, then it continues to run during the throw in, but the 24-second clock doesn't start until somebody touches it.

[Vermont Green]

I hate it when teams do this.  The 5 second inbounds rules is from when the in-bounder has possession to when he releases the ball.  Then there is a time limit to cross half court (8 seconds now, used to be 10 seconds) which I guess doesn't start until the ball is touched in play.

In the meantime, after a made shot, the game clock does not stop, so this is a loop hole of sorts.  They should change one of them.  Either have the 5 second rule stop when the ball in touched inbounds, or start the 8 second, 24 second, and game clocks when the ball is released by the in-bounder. 

I don't understand why the game clock would run but not the 24 second clock (or 8 second "clock").  It makes no sense to me.  The "inbounds" has been deemed complete so the game is on.

[droopdog7]

I hate it when teams do this.  The 5 second inbounds rules is from when the in-bounder has possession to when he releases the ball.  Then there is a time limit to cross half court (8 seconds now, used to be 10 seconds) which I guess doesn't start until the ball is touched in play.

In the meantime, after a made shot, the game clock does not stop, so this is a loop hole of sorts.  They should change one of them.  Either have the 5 second rule stop when the ball in touched inbounds, or start the 8 second, 24 second, and game clocks when the ball is released by the in-bounder. 

I don't understand why the game clock would run but not the 24 second clock (or 8 second "clock").  It makes no sense to me.  The "inbounds" has been deemed complete so the game is on.

I've watched every Celtic game for the past two years (since schroeder REALLY made it a thing) and 99.9% of the time I've seen it done, it was the Celtics.  Maybe I've seen another team do it 2-3 total in that time.

[Neurotic Guy]

I hate it when teams do this.  The 5 second inbounds rules is from when the in-bounder has possession to when he releases the ball.  Then there is a time limit to cross half court (8 seconds now, used to be 10 seconds) which I guess doesn't start until the ball is touched in play.

In the meantime, after a made shot, the game clock does not stop, so this is a loop hole of sorts.  They should change one of them.  Either have the 5 second rule stop when the ball in touched inbounds, or start the 8 second, 24 second, and game clocks when the ball is released by the in-bounder. 

I don't understand why the game clock would run but not the 24 second clock (or 8 second "clock").  It makes no sense to me.  The "inbounds" has been deemed complete so the game is on.

Easily solved if wanted.

I don't like it.  I think it negatively impacts rhythm offensively.  Also... someday... an opponent will make a Marcus Smart cobra move and the C's will lose a possession.  This only has to happen once to make it not worth it.

[celticsclay]

I hate it when teams do this.  The 5 second inbounds rules is from when the in-bounder has possession to when he releases the ball.  Then there is a time limit to cross half court (8 seconds now, used to be 10 seconds) which I guess doesn't start until the ball is touched in play.

In the meantime, after a made shot, the game clock does not stop, so this is a loop hole of sorts.  They should change one of them.  Either have the 5 second rule stop when the ball in touched inbounds, or start the 8 second, 24 second, and game clocks when the ball is released by the in-bounder. 

I don't understand why the game clock would run but not the 24 second clock (or 8 second "clock").  It makes no sense to me.  The "inbounds" has been deemed complete so the game is on.

I've watched every Celtic game for the past two years (since schroeder REALLY made it a thing) and 99.9% of the time I've seen it done, it was the Celtics.  Maybe I've seen another team do it 2-3 total in that time.

The Celtics are not the league leaders in doing this. Grizzlies were runaway leaders. Marcus smart is among the the players leading league in doing. The strategy is called walking the dog and here is a lengthy and interesting article on it from espn from a few months back.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/35518383/walking-dog-nba-ja-morant?platform=amp

The frequency it has been done this year will probably lead to a rule change this off-season.

[tenn_smoothie]

The rule used to be that the 5-second inbound count started as soon as the ball entered the court, so they couldn't do what you see now with the rolling ball. Should have kept it that way.

Maybe it was a rule for college and high school.
I'm sure I remember officials counting with their arm while the ball rolled untouched.

[86MaxwellSmart]

Might sound like a good idea---but what if you're behind late in the game and you might need those critical seconds that you wasted during the game?

[GetLucky]

Might sound like a good idea---but what if you're behind late in the game and you might need those critical seconds that you wasted during the game?

Then you should've played defense for 94 feet instead of the 23 3/4 from the baseline to the top of the three-point arc. If the Celtics or other teams want to punish ones that don't want to be athletes, by getting an extra 6 seconds to run their half court offense, let them.

The Celtics doing this makes the game significantly more watchable, as it gives them a half step before they even initiate their offense since teams are going from standstill to running towards the ball handler. And when teams adjust and play loose defense full court, it gives players like Smart and Tatum agency and pace rather than the weird, pace-killing slow walk that they tend to do when the offense stagnates.

For context, this happens every few years. Rondo used to do it all the time. People always think it is some new innovation that is ruining the league, and then people forget about it. Case in point, LeBron James in 2013: https://nba.nbcsports.com/2013/01/01/lebron-takes-walking-the-dog-to-an-entirely-new-level-video/ and Paul/Rondo/Nash in 2009: http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2009/01/word-of-day-walk-dog.html

[celticsclay]

Might sound like a good idea---but what if you're behind late in the game and you might need those critical seconds that you wasted during the game?

Then you should've played defense for 94 feet instead of the 23 3/4 from the baseline to the top of the three-point arc. If the Celtics or other teams want to punish ones that don't want to be athletes, by getting an extra 6 seconds to run their half court offense, let them.

The Celtics doing this makes the game significantly more watchable, as it gives them a half step before they even initiate their offense since teams are going from standstill to running towards the ball handler. And when teams adjust and play loose defense full court, it gives players like Smart and Tatum agency and pace rather than the weird, pace-killing slow walk that they tend to do when the offense stagnates.

For context, this happens every few years. Rondo used to do it all the time. People always think it is some new innovation that is ruining the league, and then people forget about it. Case in point, LeBron James in 2013: https://nba.nbcsports.com/2013/01/01/lebron-takes-walking-the-dog-to-an-entirely-new-level-video/ and Paul/Rondo/Nash in 2009: http://basketbawful.blogspot.com/2009/01/word-of-day-walk-dog.html

Check out the article I shared above. The increase in how often this is happening is astronomical