Celtics Draft Pick Watch

[Redz]

Freaking Dallas.  What a blatant tank job.  In the end, whether we get pick #33 or #35, it probably will make no difference.  It is a good pick in any case.  Probably the same player available at #33 is available at #35, but Dallas really tanked at the end here.

I actually like this pick.  If you have a first rounder (we would have had pick #29), that is a guaranteed contract and you have less flexibility.  Now we can get maybe pick #33 and stash them, 2-way them, just not sign them, more options.  We are not going to have a whole lot of slots on the regular roster next season, especially if Davison moves up.  So I am pretty happy with this pick and I am fine that we only have the one pick.

To be fair, the Portland and Houston picks are only so high because they were blatantly tanking for longer.  Portland in particular was a .500 team the first weekend in February heading into the trade deadline, and then finished out the season going 7-23.  They could have made the play-in if they went 12-18.

I agree, DAL is far from alone, and probably not even the most egregious.  It is really hard to punish teams for this.  For example, is HOU tanking or rebuilding?  Top teams rest their top stars to get ready for the playoffs.  Is that worse than "resting" you top players to improve or keep a draft pick or to develop a younger player as part of a rebuild?

I am just a little sour on DAL today as they were so pathetic against SAN yesterday.  You are right but at least HOU appeared to be trying to win games down the stretch (POR not so much).  DAL probably crossed the line.  There was no way they were going to win a game and lose that pick.  It wasn't just between the 10th pick or the 9th pick.  It was all or nothing for their situation.

It's just weird to see mid-range teams tanking.  Not a good look at all.

[Celtics2021]

Freaking Dallas.  What a blatant tank job.  In the end, whether we get pick #33 or #35, it probably will make no difference.  It is a good pick in any case.  Probably the same player available at #33 is available at #35, but Dallas really tanked at the end here.

I actually like this pick.  If you have a first rounder (we would have had pick #29), that is a guaranteed contract and you have less flexibility.  Now we can get maybe pick #33 and stash them, 2-way them, just not sign them, more options.  We are not going to have a whole lot of slots on the regular roster next season, especially if Davison moves up.  So I am pretty happy with this pick and I am fine that we only have the one pick.

To be fair, the Portland and Houston picks are only so high because they were blatantly tanking for longer.  Portland in particular was a .500 team the first weekend in February heading into the trade deadline, and then finished out the season going 7-23.  They could have made the play-in if they went 12-18.

I agree, DAL is far from alone, and probably not even the most egregious.  It is really hard to punish teams for this.  For example, is HOU tanking or rebuilding?  Top teams rest their top stars to get ready for the playoffs.  Is that worse than "resting" you top players to improve or keep a draft pick or to develop a younger player as part of a rebuild?

I am just a little sour on DAL today as they were so pathetic against SAN yesterday.  You are right but at least HOU appeared to be trying to win games down the stretch (POR not so much).  DAL probably crossed the line.  There was no way they were going to win a game and lose that pick.  It wasn't just between the 10th pick or the 9th pick.  It was all or nothing for their situation.

It's just weird to see mid-range teams tanking.  Not a good look at all.

They've been doing it for years.  Looks weirder because the play-in moved the line such that a team has to be 11th to totally tank rather than 9th, but it's not unusual.  Dallas is bad at PR for some reason, however.  They beat the Kings in Game 80 with everyone playing, and Kyrie and Doncic playing big minutes, to preserve their chances, and then rested everyone in game 81 against a lesser team like Chicago.  Just limit Kyrie and Doncic to 36 minutes against the Kings, rather than playing them 43 and 39 minutes, and no one would have cared about the Bulls.

[libermaniac]

Looks like Houston won the coin flip, so that’s bad for Cs. Looks like we’ll be drafting 35.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2023/04/17/pacers-win-draft-coin-flip-with-wizards-for-seventh-lottery-spot/70123918007/

[Sophomore]

Looks like Houston won the coin flip, so that’s bad for Cs. Looks like we’ll be drafting 35.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2023/04/17/pacers-win-draft-coin-flip-with-wizards-for-seventh-lottery-spot/70123918007/

I read the same story and reached a different conclusion. It says:

“The Rockets won a coin flip with the Spurs for better lottery position. If the Spurs get a better lottery pick than the Rockets, then the Pacers will get the No. 32 pick from the Rockets. ”

The Rockets won the toss, so they are in second position in round 1, ahead of the Spurs. Unless the Spurs leapfrog the Rockets in the lottery (possible but not likely) the Spurs will get the better pick in round 2. Which means the Rockets’ 2d round pick is 33 and conveys to the Cs - doesn’t it?

[libermaniac]

Looks like Houston won the coin flip, so that’s bad for Cs. Looks like we’ll be drafting 35.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2023/04/17/pacers-win-draft-coin-flip-with-wizards-for-seventh-lottery-spot/70123918007/

I read the same story and reached a different conclusion. It says:

“The Rockets won a coin flip with the Spurs for better lottery position. If the Spurs get a better lottery pick than the Rockets, then the Pacers will get the No. 32 pick from the Rockets. ”

The Rockets won the toss, so they are in second position in round 1, ahead of the Spurs. Unless the Spurs leapfrog the Rockets in the lottery (possible but not likely) the Spurs will get the better pick in round 2. Which means the Rockets’ 2d round pick is 33 and conveys to the Cs - doesn’t it?

Oh right. I forgot about the alternating picks in each round. Good catch. TP

[Sophomore]

Looks like Houston won the coin flip, so that’s bad for Cs. Looks like we’ll be drafting 35.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2023/04/17/pacers-win-draft-coin-flip-with-wizards-for-seventh-lottery-spot/70123918007/

I read the same story and reached a different conclusion. It says:

“The Rockets won a coin flip with the Spurs for better lottery position. If the Spurs get a better lottery pick than the Rockets, then the Pacers will get the No. 32 pick from the Rockets. ”

The Rockets won the toss, so they are in second position in round 1, ahead of the Spurs. Unless the Spurs leapfrog the Rockets in the lottery (possible but not likely) the Spurs will get the better pick in round 2. Which means the Rockets’ 2d round pick is 33 and conveys to the Cs - doesn’t it?

Oh right. I forgot about the alternating picks in each round. Good catch. TP

Yeah - I had to read it a few times! Not the simplest rule….

[Roy H.]

Yep, I think we're locked in at #33, the best case scenario.

https://tankathon.com/full_draft

I think that #35 is headed to OKC, though, contrary to that board.

[libermaniac]

#33. I’d say the number has been a pretty good one for the Cs history. 😉 #LarryLegend

[Wretch]

Yep, I think we're locked in at #33, the best case scenario.

https://tankathon.com/full_draft

I think that #35 is headed to OKC, though, contrary to that board.

All I can find is that 2, 2nd round picks, and Justin Jackson were trade to OKC, but not which picks.  Was there reporting on the picks I missed?

[Celtics2021]

Yep, I think we're locked in at #33, the best case scenario.

https://tankathon.com/full_draft

I think that #35 is headed to OKC, though, contrary to that board.

All I can find is that 2, 2nd round picks, and Justin Jackson were trade to OKC, but not which picks.  Was there reporting on the picks I missed?

Only one second was traded — the lesser of the Houston-Dallas-Miami pick (which will wind up either being Houston or Miami) or the Portland pick.  There was a lot of confusion about it considering the very complicated protections, but it was a single pick.

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

If there is one thing I miss about the Danny Ainge era is getting to root his late 1st round  and second round gems defying their draft ppsotions and making a name for themselves in the NBA. Where are the Avery Bradleys? Where are the Etwaun Moores?

[Wretch]

Yep, I think we're locked in at #33, the best case scenario.

https://tankathon.com/full_draft

I think that #35 is headed to OKC, though, contrary to that board.

All I can find is that 2, 2nd round picks, and Justin Jackson were trade to OKC, but not which picks.  Was there reporting on the picks I missed?

Only one second was traded — the lesser of the Houston-Dallas-Miami pick (which will wind up either being Houston or Miami) or the Portland pick.  There was a lot of confusion about it considering the very complicated protections, but it was a single pick.

If I read it right then the #50 pick is the pick that was traded to OKC for MM and the Cs have 33 and 35.

[Vermont Green]

This is per RealGM pertaining to the incoming pick:

2023 second round draft pick from Houston or Portland
Indiana will receive Houston's 2023 2nd round pick protected for selections 33-60 or Miami's 2023 2nd round pick if the Houston pick falls within this protected range; Boston will receive the Houston pick protected for selections 31-32 or Portland's 2023 2nd round pick if the Houston pick falls within this protected range; Oklahoma City will receive the Portland pick if the Houston pick falls within the 33-60 protected range or the Miami pick if the Houston pick falls within the 31-32 protected range;

UPDATED: Houston has won the tiebreaker with San Antonio; unless San Antonio finishes ahead of Houston in the NBA Draft Lottery, Indiana will receive the Miami pick, Boston will receive the Houston pick and Oklahoma City will receive the Portland pick (via Portland to Cleveland to Detroit to L.A. Clippers to Atlanta to Boston; via Houston to Indiana; via Miami to Dallas; via Memphis' right to swap Dallas or Miami for Houston; via Memphis to Boston; via Boston to Oklahoma City) [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Dallas-Memphis, 7/8/2019; Houston-Memphis, 2/6/2020; Brooklyn-Detroit-L.A. Clippers, 11/19/2020; Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Atlanta-L.A. Clippers, 3/25/2021; Atlanta-Boston-Sacramento, 8/7/2021; Boston-Oklahoma City, 2/9/2023]

I believe this is saying that "unless SAN finishes ahead of HOU in the lottery", Boston gets pick #33.  But their lottery odds are almost the same so it is probably still close to 50-50 whether SAN will end up with a better pick.  If the lottery decides this and not the coin flip, then this is still not settled.  RealGM is also saying specifically that OKC will get the POR pick if we get the HOU pick.

Based on what I am seeing from RealGM, I think it is one or the other (#33 or #35) and it won't be decided until the lottery is resolved.

[Roy H.]

This is per RealGM pertaining to the incoming pick:

2023 second round draft pick from Houston or Portland
Indiana will receive Houston's 2023 2nd round pick protected for selections 33-60 or Miami's 2023 2nd round pick if the Houston pick falls within this protected range; Boston will receive the Houston pick protected for selections 31-32 or Portland's 2023 2nd round pick if the Houston pick falls within this protected range; Oklahoma City will receive the Portland pick if the Houston pick falls within the 33-60 protected range or the Miami pick if the Houston pick falls within the 31-32 protected range;

UPDATED: Houston has won the tiebreaker with San Antonio; unless San Antonio finishes ahead of Houston in the NBA Draft Lottery, Indiana will receive the Miami pick, Boston will receive the Houston pick and Oklahoma City will receive the Portland pick (via Portland to Cleveland to Detroit to L.A. Clippers to Atlanta to Boston; via Houston to Indiana; via Miami to Dallas; via Memphis' right to swap Dallas or Miami for Houston; via Memphis to Boston; via Boston to Oklahoma City) [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017; Cleveland-Detroit, 6/26/2019; Dallas-Memphis, 7/8/2019; Houston-Memphis, 2/6/2020; Brooklyn-Detroit-L.A. Clippers, 11/19/2020; Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021; Atlanta-L.A. Clippers, 3/25/2021; Atlanta-Boston-Sacramento, 8/7/2021; Boston-Oklahoma City, 2/9/2023]

I believe this is saying that "unless SAN finishes ahead of HOU in the lottery", Boston gets pick #33.  But their lottery odds are almost the same so it is probably still close to 50-50 whether SAN will end up with a better pick.  If the lottery decides this and not the coin flip, then this is still not settled.  RealGM is also saying specifically that OKC will get the POR pick if we get the HOU pick.

Based on what I am seeing from RealGM, I think it is one or the other (#33 or #35) and it won't be decided until the lottery is resolved.

If that's what RealGM is implying, I believe they're wrong.  The lottery doesn't affect second round draft order at all.

I'm trying to think of a recent scenario where two lottery teams were tied, and one moved up, to verify this.

[Celtics2021]

Yep, I think we're locked in at #33, the best case scenario.

https://tankathon.com/full_draft

I think that #35 is headed to OKC, though, contrary to that board.

All I can find is that 2, 2nd round picks, and Justin Jackson were trade to OKC, but not which picks.  Was there reporting on the picks I missed?

Only one second was traded — the lesser of the Houston-Dallas-Miami pick (which will wind up either being Houston or Miami) or the Portland pick.  There was a lot of confusion about it considering the very complicated protections, but it was a single pick.

If I read it right then the #50 pick is the pick that was traded to OKC for MM and the Cs have 33 and 35.

Nope.  Pre-trade Celtics only had the better of Houston, Miami, and Dallas, unless Houston’s pick was 31 or 32, in which case it was the worst of Miami and Dallas.  Dallas finished in the middle, so now that’s single pick is either Houston at 33 or Miami at 50.  They also have the Portland pick at 35.  OKC gets the worst of whichever two picks the Celtics wound up from the Houston-Dallas-Miami pick and the Portland pick.  So that’s either 35 if Houston picks before San Antonio in the lottery, or 50 if the Spurs pick first.