Poll: Better 1,2, punch. Tatum, Sabonis or Brown, Tatum

[KG Living Legend]

 Sabonis is avg 7apg wow. Fantastic rebounder, great post player.

 However Sabonis only shootd one three per game and cannot switch like Jaylen. Tough call but id take Sabonis.

[Csfan1984]

Sabonis if no Al.
Brown if Brown's three is falling.

[Celtics2021]

Brown is you like when your team plays defense.

[Who]

Jaylen.

Sabonis is the better offensive player but Jaylen is the better overall basketball player.

[Vermont Green]

Brown is you like when your team plays defense.

SAC is one of the worst teams defensively, at least based on statistics, and that includes Sabonis.  Sabonis was better in terms of DefR his last full season with IND.  Individual defense is a hard thing to judge or quantify.

Sabonis is probably not someone I would trade Brown for, but he is close.  The idea of getting a skilled big for Brown is the way to go, if you are going to trade Brown though.  Brown would certainly be good for SAC.

[Donoghus]

Jaylen. 100%

[liam]

Brown>Sabonis but if I had to make a trade ( Say Jaylen wasn't going to resign here...) I'd do Jaylen for Sabonis, Davion Mitchell, and Keegan Murray plus picks. Works in trade machine.

[Moranis]

Brown>Sabonis but if I had to make a trade ( Say Jaylen wasn't going to resign here...) I'd do Jaylen for Sabonis, Davion Mitchell, and Keegan Murray plus picks. Works in trade machine.

that is a ridiculous trade.  That is the type of package you get for Tatum, not Brown.

Sabonis shoots better than Brown from not just 2 but also 3 (they are about even from the line).  He is a significantly better rebounder and may actually be a better passer.  He turns the ball over at basically the same rate.  Brown is certainly a better defender, but Brown has been getting worse defensively for years and isn't the elite defender he once was (I think some of that is an increased workload offensively has zapped some of his defensive energy).  By virtually every metric Sabonis is a better player and he doesn't play the same position as Boston's best player.  If Sacramento was offering Sabonis for Brown, I think Boston should do that, especially since another player would have to go to Boston to make the dollars work and the worst contract Sacto has is Holmes (who I'd be fine with as a guy in the Griffin type role even with him being overpaid).  So Sabonis and Holmes for Brown (maybe you include Gallo since he wouldn't play much).  I'd trade to get a 1st from them, but I'd be fine without it as I think Sabonis would work quite well with Tatum.

[Phantom255x]

I'd still lean Jaylen but it's close. I do think roster construction would matter though. If Horford is here as @CsFan1984 stated above, then 100% Jaylen. If no Al, maybe I lean Sabonis but still not by a big margin. Sabonis is a better facilitator and rebounder, but Jaylen is a much better defender and can shoot the 3 better than Sabonis.

[boscel33]

Everyone knows I'm in the JKJB group as I was a Brown fan before the draft.  That said, this might be one of the few deals I make for him.  The issue would be, what is the lineup?  You're now awful big with Sabonis, Al, RWill, Dano.  What's the starting lineup look like?

PG: Smart
SG: White
SF: Tatum
PF: Sabonis
C: RWill

[Who]

Everyone knows I'm in the JKJB group as I was a Brown fan before the draft.  That said, this might be one of the few deals I make for him.  The issue would be, what is the lineup?  You're now awful big with Sabonis, Al, RWill, Dano.  What's the starting lineup look like?

PG: Smart
SG: White
SF: Tatum
PF: Sabonis
C: RWill

Maybe make the deal bigger and include Rob Williams with Sacramento including Harrison Barnes or Keegan Murray on their side of things.

G: Smart, Brogdon
G: D White
F: Tatum, H Barnes / K Murray
F: Horford, G Williams
C: Sabonis

I wonder if you start Brogdon instead of Smart or White without Jaylen Brown there in order to get another, a 2nd, perimeter creator on the floor next to Tatum.

G: Smart, D White
G: Brogdon
F: Tatum, H Barnes / K Murray
F: Horford, G Williams
C: Sabonis

[liam]

Brown>Sabonis but if I had to make a trade ( Say Jaylen wasn't going to resign here...) I'd do Jaylen for Sabonis, Davion Mitchell, and Keegan Murray plus picks. Works in trade machine.

that is a ridiculous trade.  That is the type of package you get for Tatum, not Brown.

Sabonis shoots better than Brown from not just 2 but also 3 (they are about even from the line).  He is a significantly better rebounder and may actually be a better passer.  He turns the ball over at basically the same rate.  Brown is certainly a better defender, but Brown has been getting worse defensively for years and isn't the elite defender he once was (I think some of that is an increased workload offensively has zapped some of his defensive energy).  By virtually every metric Sabonis is a better player and he doesn't play the same position as Boston's best player.  If Sacramento was offering Sabonis for Brown, I think Boston should do that, especially since another player would have to go to Boston to make the dollars work and the worst contract Sacto has is Holmes (who I'd be fine with as a guy in the Griffin type role even with him being overpaid).  So Sabonis and Holmes for Brown (maybe you include Gallo since he wouldn't play much).  I'd trade to get a 1st from them, but I'd be fine without it as I think Sabonis would work quite well with Tatum.

That's what it would take for me to trade Jaylen. I only want a trade that makes us better.

[Moranis]

Brown>Sabonis but if I had to make a trade ( Say Jaylen wasn't going to resign here...) I'd do Jaylen for Sabonis, Davion Mitchell, and Keegan Murray plus picks. Works in trade machine.

that is a ridiculous trade.  That is the type of package you get for Tatum, not Brown.

Sabonis shoots better than Brown from not just 2 but also 3 (they are about even from the line).  He is a significantly better rebounder and may actually be a better passer.  He turns the ball over at basically the same rate.  Brown is certainly a better defender, but Brown has been getting worse defensively for years and isn't the elite defender he once was (I think some of that is an increased workload offensively has zapped some of his defensive energy).  By virtually every metric Sabonis is a better player and he doesn't play the same position as Boston's best player.  If Sacramento was offering Sabonis for Brown, I think Boston should do that, especially since another player would have to go to Boston to make the dollars work and the worst contract Sacto has is Holmes (who I'd be fine with as a guy in the Griffin type role even with him being overpaid).  So Sabonis and Holmes for Brown (maybe you include Gallo since he wouldn't play much).  I'd trade to get a 1st from them, but I'd be fine without it as I think Sabonis would work quite well with Tatum.

That's what it would take for me to trade Jaylen. I only want a trade that makes us better.

Sabonis makes us better.

[jpotter33]

Brown>Sabonis but if I had to make a trade ( Say Jaylen wasn't going to resign here...) I'd do Jaylen for Sabonis, Davion Mitchell, and Keegan Murray plus picks. Works in trade machine.

that is a ridiculous trade.  That is the type of package you get for Tatum, not Brown.

Sabonis shoots better than Brown from not just 2 but also 3 (they are about even from the line).  He is a significantly better rebounder and may actually be a better passer.  He turns the ball over at basically the same rate.  Brown is certainly a better defender, but Brown has been getting worse defensively for years and isn't the elite defender he once was (I think some of that is an increased workload offensively has zapped some of his defensive energy).  By virtually every metric Sabonis is a better player and he doesn't play the same position as Boston's best player.  If Sacramento was offering Sabonis for Brown, I think Boston should do that, especially since another player would have to go to Boston to make the dollars work and the worst contract Sacto has is Holmes (who I'd be fine with as a guy in the Griffin type role even with him being overpaid).  So Sabonis and Holmes for Brown (maybe you include Gallo since he wouldn't play much).  I'd trade to get a 1st from them, but I'd be fine without it as I think Sabonis would work quite well with Tatum.

While I think there’s an argument to be made here either way, particularly given our guard depth, I know you just didn’t compare a guy who shoots 1.3 threes a game to a 7.3 threes a game player and say the former is the better shooter due to a slightly higher three point percentage haha That’s nonsense.

Outside of that, I generally agree with most of what you said. But Brown is by far the better shooter and overall scorer, particularly being a true 3 level scorer where Sabonis is a 1 level and tops 2 level scorer at best.

I’d only really consider such a trade if JB indicates he wants a bigger role and focus elsewhere, but I’d try other avenues first. For example, I think we’ll see Embiid ask out this year with another early exit from the playoffs, and I think I’d rather pursue using JB as the centerpiece in a package like that than go straight for Sabonis.

[SparzWizard]

Brown>Sabonis but if I had to make a trade ( Say Jaylen wasn't going to resign here...) I'd do Jaylen for Sabonis, Davion Mitchell, and Keegan Murray plus picks. Works in trade machine.

that is a ridiculous trade.  That is the type of package you get for Tatum, not Brown.

Sabonis shoots better than Brown from not just 2 but also 3 (they are about even from the line).  He is a significantly better rebounder and may actually be a better passer.  He turns the ball over at basically the same rate.  Brown is certainly a better defender, but Brown has been getting worse defensively for years and isn't the elite defender he once was (I think some of that is an increased workload offensively has zapped some of his defensive energy).  By virtually every metric Sabonis is a better player and he doesn't play the same position as Boston's best player.  If Sacramento was offering Sabonis for Brown, I think Boston should do that, especially since another player would have to go to Boston to make the dollars work and the worst contract Sacto has is Holmes (who I'd be fine with as a guy in the Griffin type role even with him being overpaid).  So Sabonis and Holmes for Brown (maybe you include Gallo since he wouldn't play much).  I'd trade to get a 1st from them, but I'd be fine without it as I think Sabonis would work quite well with Tatum.

While I think there’s an argument to be made here either way, particularly given our guard depth, I know you just didn’t compare a guy who shoots 1.3 threes a game to a 7.3 threes a game player and say the former is the better shooter due to a slightly higher three point percentage haha That’s nonsense.

Outside of that, I generally agree with most of what you said. But Brown is by far the better shooter and overall scorer, particularly being a true 3 level scorer where Sabonis is a 1 level and tops 2 level scorer at best.

I’d only really consider such a trade if JB indicates he wants a bigger role and focus elsewhere, but I’d try other avenues first. For example, I think we’ll see Embiid ask out this year with another early exit from the playoffs, and I think I’d rather pursue using JB as the centerpiece in a package like that than go straight for Sabonis.

Idk about the JKJB folks, but we need to make that trade like pronto. Start with Brown and maybe give them Smart if they want too. Need some fresh new bloods.